Jack Walkers dead chant

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:49 pm

I don't meant to be rude but the chances of me and you having a conversation over a couple of beers seems highly unlikely to me.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:51 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Can't see why anyone would want to sing about somebody being dead,the guy was a human being ffs with family......that chant really has to stop.

Does that mean Bertie Mee and Bill Shankley have to be changed from the we are the Longside Burnley song. ?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:52 pm

Its not rude and fine by me. Still, hats off to the service and I don't say that as a wind up

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:04 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:We out sang them outclassed them..

When you say "outclassed them" do you mean in human decency?

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:06 pm

Marlonspants wrote:How do you NOT understand why people think it is acceptable?

Education, education, education.

Do you honestly think it's acceptable to use attendance at a football match as an excuse to behave in an anti-social manner?

Education, education, education???? Bad education!!!

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:08 pm

bfcjg wrote:Does that mean Bertie Mee and Bill Shankley have to be changed from the we are the Longside Burnley song. ?

We aren't singing about them being dead. Completely different. Completely irrelevant point

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:17 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Do you honestly think it's acceptable to use attendance at a football match as an excuse to behave in an anti-social manner?

Education, education, education???? Bad education!!!

Bloody hell! I'm taking it you are educated?

Where does bad education come from? You are blaming the result when you should be blaming the cause.

Think about it rather than trying to be holier than thou.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:19 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Its not rude and fine by me. Still, hats off to the service and I don't say that as a wind up

Cheers!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:20 pm

Genuine question for the sandal wearers.......

Would it be different for you if the words 'is dead' were changed to 'has gone'?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:25 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Genuine question for the sandal wearers.......

Would it be different for you if the words 'is dead' were changed to 'has gone'?

You have asked a very good question in the wrong way in my opinion.

Sandal wearers?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:26 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Genuine question for the sandal wearers.......

Would it be different for you if the words 'is dead' were changed to 'has gone'?

Has passed sounds more peaceful to be fair.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:31 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:We aren't singing about them being dead. Completely different. Completely irrelevant point

But they are dead and some people might be offended, best not to offend anybody,

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:34 pm

Marlonspants wrote:
Sandal wearers?

People who like and make a hobby out of being upset about trivial things, whilst living in their utopia.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:36 pm

Question to Macca, Marlon, BOT and Macca. Would you chant about Ben Lee if you were a Rovers fan? Genuine question. Don't hide behind the "I'd never support that **** blah blah". Yes or no

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:42 pm

Marlonspants wrote:Bloody hell! I'm taking it you are educated?

Where does bad education come from? You are blaming the result when you should be blaming the cause.

Think about it rather than trying to be holier than thou.

In my opinion...

The result is anti-social behaviour
The cause is poor education and acceptance of the behaviour

It has nothing to do with social class

It's about right and wrong

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:45 pm

bfcjg wrote:But they are dead and some people might be offended, best not to offend anybody,

Then let's make sure we never play Bowie, Prince, Nirvana, Queen, Lennon on the Turf again...

This entire argument has gone a bit weird now

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:45 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Question to Macca, Marlon, BOT and Macca. Would you chant about Ben Lee if you were a Rovers fan? Genuine question. Don't hide behind the "I'd never support that **** blah blah". Yes or no

Firstly I haven't chanted about anything.

Secondly, did Ben Lee build us up as a club with money, which helped us to be the Champions of England and spend years and years above our rivals?

Thirdly, did the successor to Ben Lee sack manager after manager and take us down two divisions which has resulted in us not winning a derby match for years?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:01 pm

Rumbletonk wrote:Question to Macca, Marlon, BOT and Macca. Would you chant about Ben Lee if you were a Rovers fan? Genuine question. Don't hide behind the "I'd never support that **** blah blah". Yes or no

It's a silly question.

Would you chant about Adolf Hitler?

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:03 pm

Sensational amounts of ******** being talked on here. Let's try and bring it a bit closer to home for the hard of thinking. It's probably safe to say that we all have friend and relatives who have died. It's probably also safe to say that there would be people around who disagreed with / disapproved of those friends or relatives.

Would we all be happy with people wandering past our houses singing entirely factually accurate songs revelling in their passing and how they are much happier with circumstances since they passed? Of course we wouldn't. So why pretend that being in a football stadium changes the boundaries of decency to such an extent?

A lot of people here seem to be revelling in being called out for behaving like dicks. It really is beyond juvenile, and it's nothing to do with education / social standing / any other lame excuse you might want to throw in there.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:03 pm

Hazzyclaret1955 wrote:I think Bob took out a bob or three

Anyone on here remember singing Bob Lord knows my father.

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:05 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:In my opinion...

The result is anti-social behaviour
The cause is poor education and acceptance of the behaviour

It has nothing to do with social class

It's about right and wrong

You really don't get it do you?

Who teaches you what is right and what is wrong?

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:07 pm

Bacchus wrote:Sensational amounts of ******** being talked on here. Let's try and bring it a bit closer to home for the hard of thinking. It's probably safe to say that we all have friend and relatives who have died. It's probably also safe to say that there would be people around who disagreed with / disapproved of those friends or relatives.

Would we all be happy with people wandering past our houses singing entirely factually accurate songs revelling in their passing and how they are much happier with circumstances since they passed? Of course we wouldn't. So why pretend that being in a football stadium changes the boundaries of decency to such an extent?

A lot of people here seem to be revelling in being called out for behaving like dicks. It really is beyond juvenile, and it's nothing to do with education / social standing / any other lame excuse you might want to throw in there.

You forgot to say in my opinion.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:10 pm

Bacchus wrote: Would we all be happy with people wandering past our houses singing entirely factually accurate songs revelling in their passing and how they are much happier with circumstances since they passed?

Yes that's quite the same thing.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:14 pm

Maybe have a minutes silence next home match in memory of Walker seeing that he's held in such high regard on here .

Marlonspants · Post by **Marlonspants** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:17 pm

Do people really not understand that people are a product of their environment?

Paint it claret · Post by **Paint it claret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:17 pm

Relax we are superior

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:37 pm

Marlonspants wrote:You forgot to say in my opinion.

It is obviously my opinion. I typed it. Speaks volumes that you'd need that clarifying.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:38 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes that's quite the same thing.

Well to anyone who knew Walker it pretty much is, really.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:49 pm

Bacchus wrote:Sensational amounts of ******** being talked on here. Let's try and bring it a bit closer to home for the hard of thinking. It's probably safe to say that we all have friend and relatives who have died. It's probably also safe to say that there would be people around who disagreed with / disapproved of those friends or relatives.

Would we all be happy with people wandering past our houses singing entirely factually accurate songs revelling in their passing and how they are much happier with circumstances since they passed? Of course we wouldn't. So why pretend that being in a football stadium changes the boundaries of decency to such an extent?

A lot of people here seem to be revelling in being called out for behaving like dicks. It really is beyond juvenile, and it's nothing to do with education / social standing / any other lame excuse you might want to throw in there.

Ironic that a post beginning "Sensational amount of ******** being talked on here" should contain such a sensational amount of ********.

My father died 11 years ago. If somebody walked past my house singing about it, I would think it was very strange behaviour, but it wouldn't cause me to lose any sleep. However if my father had been the vastly wealthy owner of a football club who had bankrolled years of otherwise unattainable success, and the supporters of a rival club chose to celebrate - inside a football ground - the fact he wasn't there anymore, I would neither lose any sleep nor think it was particularly strange.

Your assertion that, in the circumstances we're talking about, being in a football stadium doesn't change anything is, I'm afraid, "sensational ********".

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:58 pm

Seems like a lot of plastics go on the Turf these days.No wonder the atmosphere is terrible at times with the naysayers.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:02 pm

Braindead wrote:Think again.

I am my own person.

Apologies for taking your name in vain.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:27 pm

I'm amazed this thread has brought out all this faux offence.
It's meaningless terrace banter,take it for what it is.
Right i'm off now,my sister won't 4uck herself.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:33 pm

bartons baggage wrote:It's meaningless terrace banter,take it for what it is.

What if someone makes monkey noises towards a black player, is that just terrace banter?

Flatline · Post by **Flatline** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:36 pm

Spijed wrote:What if someone makes monkey noises towards a black player, is that just terrace banter?

Did anyone do that?No they didn't,stop talking like a pillock!

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:36 pm

Spijed wrote:What if someone makes monkey noises towards a black player, is that just terrace banter?

Nope. Next question.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:37 pm

Flatline wrote:Did anyone do that?No they didn't,stop talking like a pillock!

No, they were making fun out of someones death!

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:41 pm

Spijed wrote:What if someone makes monkey noises towards a black player, is that just terrace banter?

What a stupid analogy

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:42 pm

taio wrote:Nope. Next question.

So having a laugh at someone who's died is ok then?

Despite what people saying about it just being banter, you DO NOT sing about someone and how they died unless you find it highly amusing.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:43 pm

It's very low to try and switch this subject on to racism. Racism is wholly unacceptable ( as posted earlier on this thread). Idiotic chants aren't. Man up.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:44 pm

I've never sang it, no. And I won't do. But your monkey post was just stupid.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:44 pm

Blackrod wrote:It's very low to try and switch this subject on to racism. Racism is wholly unacceptable ( as posted earlier on this thread). Idiotic chants aren't. Man up.

So you are saying it's wrong to be racist but ok to laugh at someones death?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:46 pm

Spijed wrote:So you are saying it's wrong to be racist but ok to laugh at someones death?

Rather than reply to every post with a question why don't you just explicitly make your point????????????????????????

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:55 pm

Are all the wives at bingo tonight ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:56 pm

Premier curries or Chinese?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:06 pm

Jack Walker is dead,your interbred you Burnley ****,your going down on your sister,f**k off go and wreck your town, we are so low class compared to them...eh ?

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:09 pm

Oh ffs. I can see the future....... no it's not the singing section ..... it's the bloody snowflake section!!, for those sensitive souls, picture this they are in their own cordoned off section, with headphones on to drown out the singing by the fans, so they don't get offended. Prior to the match they are sensitively and carefully informed that some scenes they may find to be distressing. The section has automatic shutters at the ready in case a supporter goes on to the pitch, the shutters will come down in a split second to protect them from the distressing scene. They will be a soft caring, sensitive and supportive voice in their headphones just prior to half time explaining about the price of Twix's to try and avoid them being triggered. And if the result doesn't go their way they will be offered counseling and support before they go on their way home.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:20 pm

Spijed wrote:So you are saying it's wrong to be racist but ok to laugh at someones death?

You really are quite incredible in finding crap ways to try and change the subject.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:29 pm

F me - nearly 250 posts on this thread.

The song is just a factual little ditty about the sadly deceased previous owner of our local rivals. Nobody can deny that Jack Walker is dead - and that we would like the Venkys to live long and continue their sterling work.

Now everybody shake hands and let's end the thread.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:29 pm

Marlonspants wrote:Do people really not understand that people are a product of their environment?

We are all blameless for our actions...? It's society's fault...?

Nonsense

We all have the ability to measure right versus wrong. Something's there are grey areas, sometimes crossing the line or not will differ, but society and the environment are merely tools that gently mould us, they do not define our moral compass. Some right and wrongs are absolute. Many depend upon the situation we find ourselves in. Some things are deemed socially acceptable in certain environments, but deemed morally unacceptable within the wider world.

But the question of right and wrong can sometimes be very simple. Does the action cause more harm than good? Mocking the death of an individual to taunt others... I'm struggling to find the virtue in this

And I think I'll leave it at that. After reading this thread I think I have lost faith in humanity

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:33 pm

As a self-confessed sandal wearing tree hugging snowflake, it hurts my delicate sensibilities to agree with so many people who use terms like "PC gone mad" without irony, but I genuinely buy the "the king is dead" argument. Doesn't the song essentially laud JW as a great benefactor, given that his beloved club's fiercest rivals are celebrating the end of his era?

I mean, I wouldn't sing it at his funeral or anything, but I reckon if I was related to him, I'd be really proud that us lot are still singing about him after all these years.