Can we keep Dyche?

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:01 am

Looks like both Crystal Palace and West Ham may be looking for new managers soon, not to mention several others just before Christmas if they find themselves in a worse position than they envisaged.

The Arsenal job may even pop up.

It seems to me that we have the best manager in the league at the moment, not only did he keep us up but in only our second season and on a shoestring budget he's made us competitive. We actually look like adding points all year and safety may be secured with time to spare.

What do you think guys, can we keep hold of Sean all year? And, god forbid but if he did go, who would be your choice to replace him?

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:06 am

I certainly hope so but, I'm not unduly concerned.

He has built something Special here at t'Turf and everyone knows who our recent success is down to.

He hasn't finished and his Stock is still rising so, why would he leave?

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:09 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:I certainly hope so but, I'm not unduly concerned.

He has built something Special here at t'Turf and everyone knows who our recent success is down to.

He hasn't finished and his Stock is still rising so, why would he leave?

A tonne of money, with more money piled on top.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:11 am

I can't see him leaving the stability of the Job here to go to the relative instability of the Palace or WHU hot seats. I also can't see Arsenal coming in for him. They'll want someone with Champions' League experience.

I also don't think Dyche would leave at any time other than the end of a campaign. I might be being naive, but I think he has more integrity than to walk away from a job part way through.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:11 am

I think when he does go it will be a massive blow to the Club as I am sure all his back room staff will go with him.
Let's not forget that it is not just SD who has done this job for us- he uses a lot of other footballing brains too.

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:20 am

An unpleasant, unnecessary question on a Monday morning, why disturb our joy and good feelings?

enduroclaret · Post by **enduroclaret** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:22 am

But the good thing is Dyche has done such a fantastic job here, when he leaves it will be done on good terms with the club and when we're on high.
The set up and legacy he will leave will allow the board to appoint a quality replacement, possibly Dyche will have a hand in the selection process!

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:33 am

The owners, the directors, management and Sean have run the business well. Bought Turf Moor back and developed the training grounds. That will all remain.

Personally, I think Sean will move on only when he thinks it's job done and when the right challenge comes in. I don't think that will be a side ways move to another mid table club. I think Arsenal would be exactly the type of challenge that Sean wants next.

He's been terrific in interviews and the Club's reputation has grown. Let's enjoy every season spends at TM and only worry about replacement when the inevitable announcement day arrives.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:37 am

He would certainly sort out Arsenals defence and lack of passion or commitment but don't sweat he's not going this season.

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:40 am

Imagine SD getting hold of West Ham or Palace. They would be frightening when Dyche fit.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:44 am

Lord Beamish wrote:I can't see him leaving the stability of the Job here to go to the relative instability of the Palace or WHU hot seats.

You'd like to think so but, apart from us, how many Premier League teams looks like they have owners who will stick with a manager and give him a chance if it goes badly in the first few months? If Dyche wants to step up from us and prove himself further, he's going to have to enter that world - he can't hang around forever waiting for an opportunity at a club that doesn't exist. It might not be now and it might not be those clubs but when he does go it will be to somewhere that brings those risks.

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:48 am

With the current situation at Arsenal you can only think this is Wengers last season. There isn't a manager better suited for the Arsenal job then SD. Arsenal will love the fact that he could introduce total football. The big players will all want to stay and play under SD. A Dyche fit Arsenal team would be capable of winning the treble.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:52 am

longsidelewis wrote:With the current situation at Arsenal you can only think this is Wengers last season. There isn't a manager better suited for the Arsenal job then SD. Arsenal will love the fact that he could introduce total football. The big players will all want to stay and play under SD. A Dyche fit Arsenal team would be capable of winning the treble.

But wouldn't the issue be that Arsenal play regularly in Europe and need a manager with that experience?

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:53 am

longsidelewis wrote:....A Dyche fit Arsenal team would be capable of winning the treble.

Blimey, you made that seem so exciting, I almost want to see him there!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:56 am

So he can either stay with us and take us past Palace or West Ham or jump ship and find himself sacked when it gets tough at those clubs..

DavidFishwicksDad · Post by **DavidFishwicksDad** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:00 am

If he goes to arsenal he will get jack wilshire fit then watch um go utc nobody bigger than the club

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:11 am

Spijed wrote:But wouldn't the issue be that Arsenal play regularly in Europe and need a manager with that experience?

You have to start somewhere. No manager was born with European experience.

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:12 am

DavidFishwicksDad wrote:If he goes to arsenal he will get jack wilshire fit then watch um go utc nobody bigger than the club

I really like that saying

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:16 am

Of course we can, he's not on approval you know.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:19 am

when he goes we'll plummet. that is my concern. look around , wenger is regarded as useless, and in the premier league who would you like from any of them to manage burnley ?
this dyche fit thing is a bit overplayed, virtually all clubs are equally keen to ensure the players are tip top.
Dyche has a magic touch at Burnley, once in a lifetime thing.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:32 pm

There is no chance whatsoever that he'd be considered for the Arsenal job, and nor should he. No experience at the highest level, no experience with the very best players, no chance of attracting these players, and little experience in the premiership even. Tony Pulis (who also has zero chance) would be rightly ahead of him in the queue.

That's not to undermine Dyche, who's an excellent manager. But he's nowhere near ready for a top side battling for the top four. Aside from anything else, the gooner fans would go ballistic.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:48 pm

longsidelewis wrote:Imagine SD getting hold of West Ham or Palace. They would be frightening when Dyche fit.

Maybe so, but I can't see all those prima donnas buying into his ethos. As Coyle found out, moving on to 'better' circumstances can sometimes bite you in the bolloxs although SD is so much better than Horseface in every way.

longsidelewis · Post by **longsidelewis** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:59 pm

BennyD wrote:Maybe so, but I can't see all those prima donnas buying into his ethos. As Coyle found out, moving on to 'better' circumstances can sometimes bite you in the bolloxs although SD is so much better than Horseface in every way.

Wouldn't speak about those two in the same sentence

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:02 pm

willsclarets wrote:There is no chance whatsoever that he'd be considered for the Arsenal job, and nor should he. No experience at the highest level, no experience with the very best players, no chance of attracting these players, and little experience in the premiership even. Tony Pulis (who also has zero chance) would be rightly ahead of him in the queue.

Sounds almost identical to what everyone said about Wenger. He didn't turn out too bad did he?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:02 pm

longsidelewis wrote:Wouldn't speak about those two in the same sentence

The comparison Coaching-wise beteeen Dyche and Coyle is akin to that between Viagra and a blue M&M.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:06 pm

I think the summer maybe when he calls time. All the evidence points to us having a tremendous season.... and I genuinely think he may decide that is job done at that point. I'd expect one of the bigger midlands clubs to pick him up rather than a top 6 who only look to Europe to appoint.

When that time comes I think our board have proved to be savvy enough with recent appointments to suggest they will bring in someone who at very least will have the ability to manage the situation and prevent any meltdown resulting. It will be a bad day, but not the end of our amazing story.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:18 pm

He would be top of my want list if I was Chairman of any PL club . Brilliant manager,great guy and wonderful ambassador for the club. No idea what he earns but his salary should be at least double of our highest paid player.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:19 pm

CleggHall wrote:An unpleasant, unnecessary question on a Monday morning, why disturb our joy and good feelings?

I skimmed the thread as far as your comment which is the last one I'm reading. You are right. Why this thread, indeed?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:21 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:The comparison Coaching-wise beteeen Dyche and Coyle is akin to that between Viagra and a blue M&M.

Yeah, but Dyche has already got Wood

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:16 pm

FCBurnley wrote:He would be top of my want list if I was Chairman of any PL club.

Yep, that's what I was thinking, apart from the superstar managers like Mourinho, Klopp, Pep etc, he's probably the cream of the crop right now, especially when the "next best things" like De Boer are let go.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25 pm

Dyche strikes me as the type to want time to build something with owners who are happy to take a back seat and let him get on with it.

Neither of those things would be available at either Palace or West Ham.

I also think it'd be a huge jump for him in terms of recruitment. He'd be expected to sign big-name players, predominantly from abroad.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:42 pm

Nowhere in football will Sean Dyche have the same challenges and opportunity to deliver his very own project to completion. He will receive support from the board and also the fans. The stuff of legends. How many managers are able to do that at a club?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:51 pm

Time moves on and clubs evolve. When Dyche does leave, there's no reason why our board can't appoint somebody just as good. I've mentioned 'pulling power' in the past and we now have more of it than ever. We'll have managers banging down our door to manage us, when he leaves.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:51 pm

Just saying to someone a few minutes ago, if and when SD ever leaves it will be like a bereavement. Counselling services in East Lancs will be at full stretch.

He'll never leave us in the lurch but one day someone will make an offer he can't turn down.

But let's not talk about that now, I'm depressing myself already.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:23 pm

in all honesty there's no one around who could continue his work. Our board appointed Brian Laws remember in the wake of Owen Coyle.
Its more than coaching badges and ex pros who want to manage, it needs something much more. Maybe it was like the perfect storm with his arrival, all the elements were here. Mind you, i felt coyle was irreplacable and i got that wrong

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:36 pm

Maybe not just yet, but I feel Dyche could be destined for a club like Arsenal. The way that the whole club is run, more like a business, from top to bottom reminds me of what Sean is implementing here.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:18 pm

I don't think we will see a ginger Judas.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Dyche will obviously be leaving at some point, there's a reason why he spends so much time developing his profile.

He's not going to be off to a top club, rightly there'd be concerns about his tactical approach (which he may be addressing now), recruitment, lack of European experience and managing "big" players who may not buy into his vision.

A club like West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle, Villa or Sunderland (assuming they get back up at some point) would be the obvious next step. He's in the same pool as Howe, Silva and Wagner (assuming they have a decent season) and I guess the next step would be to move up to the Hughes/Pulis/Koeman level of upper-end Premier League (although more like Koeman who is on the way up).

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:13 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:Sounds almost identical to what everyone said about Wenger. He didn't turn out too bad did he?

Is that the same Wenger who'd won the French league in his first season, won the coupe de France and got to two major European finals before getting the Arsenal job? Not to mention the vastly different landscape in football today where success is demanded yesterday. Even Sean Dyche would laugh if you asked him about the prospect of being considered. Again, there's nothing to suggest YET from an arsenal pov that he's a better candidate than Tony Pulis. I expect that to change, but he's a lot to prove before taking on the big boys.

Smallpaul · Post by **Smallpaul** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:46 pm

I just don't see him walking away during the season.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:07 pm

As long as Mr. Garlick keeps his wages competitive, he's not going anywhere. Why would he? He's put so much work into BFC over the last few years, and he seems just like family. Do you notice that at the end of a game where we've had a good result, his first look is towards the supporters? I'm not sure who's more loyal, him or Tom Heaton.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:41 am

It's naive to think he will stay at Burnley. He's ambitious, he can hold his head high when he leaves, and his family don't live in the area. Let's say he was offered the Arsenal job - do you think he would turn it down? Palace and West Ham maybe but Arsenal?

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:45 am

I think Dyche is underrated by the football world, mainly because he's English, but also because the media portray us as a hard working team who play direct. Wrongly I think he's been tarred with the Fat Sam brush.

Therefore teams like West Ham wouldn't be interested. Teams like palace might be interested but I don't think Dyche would leave us for them because he has a stable job here. Well as stable as a managers job can be

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:46 am

Can't see Arsenal being interested at all. They would surely go for a manager regarded as one of the best in the world. Dyche will move on at some point but, understandbly, many have been saying it at different points over the last couple of years or so, yet he's still here.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:00 am

He is better off here than going to the likes of West Ham and Palace. Our board will be back him to the hilt, they won't. Has soon as the going gets tough Palace sack there manager. West Ham won't throw money on large transfer fees, so he won't be a great deal better off there.

No chance of him going to Arsenal, he not high profile enough and lacks the experience of dealing with top international footballers and football.

I really can't see him going anywhere or anywhere were he will be any better off than Turf Moor.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:01 am

People seriously believe Sean Dyche would interest Arsenal ? If we remove the claret and blue blinkers just for a short while....little or no experience in the foreign market, unfairly, or otherwise, viewed as being a little one dimensional in his style of play, no experience of handling big time Charlies or the expectations of fans of a bigger club.
Might be unfair but I think he's viewed as a bit of a throwback by many, a bit of a Aidy Boothroyd or a less experienced Allardyce or Pulis if you prefer. The evidence is out there, despite his not inconsiderable success with us there's hardly been a clamour for his services as there ? Has he even come close to being offered or seriously considered for another job ? Maybe Sunderland a couple of years back ?
There's absolutely no way he would get a top 10 PL job, just don't see it, I think inchy has it about right in post #43 above.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:45 am

I don't think he walk away during a season. He needs to get his ideas across in a pre-season environment.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:52 am

We need to be preparing for when he does. Everything about the club has been built by Dyche (supported of course by the board). We need to ensure that the disruption is limited and have an idea of who we want in, who will be able to carry on with the blueprint.

Who that is, I don't know, but that's what we need to be attempting to find out in readiness, for whenever it may come.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:22 am

There's not much chance he would go to Palace if they sack De Boer. Why would Dyche leave what he has here, to go to a club that didn't want him in summer, that's in chaos, where the players aren't doing well, when the window is shut, where they have had 8 managers in 10 years and are talking of sacking the latest one after 3 matches? And it's not like they have vastly more money than us anymore. Assuming we stay in the Premier League, our income is not greatly less than Palace or West Ham's, because if their gate and commercial income is double ours their total income is only 10% more. TV money dwarfs all other income streams until you reach "big six" and Champions League level.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:11 am

The time to get nervous would be when Koeman and Everton eventually part company. I believe they are the best placed club that would employ an 'unfashionable' English manager and he sadly, would be a great fit for them.