Nahki Wells

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:46 pm

TsarBomba wrote:This is the thing. Fan base, attendances, match day income, its all largely irrelevant and means nothing.

It's all about the TV deal, and ensuring we give ourselves the best chance at staying at the top table, for as long as possible. It's TV money that buys players, pays the wages, renovates the ground. Match day income is minimal.

The Premier League is putting on a spectacle for the world to see, and expects the participants to pay up and take part, not cash the money and run away.

That is mainly true - but the other issue is the resources of club owners. Bournemouth for example can call on massive investment from their owners.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:47 pm

Look at Bournemouth, similar to us in stature apart from a Rich owner, some would say lucky to stay up for the last 2 years. Others would point to good management and to be fair playing the likes of Stanislas and turning him in to what he has done, who could argue

PWBFC · Post by **PWBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:48 pm

keith1879 wrote:Fed up with reading sh*t like this. 1987 has nothing to do with it. What matters is NOW...and the simple fact is that we are in a division with 19 other clubs nearly all of whom have more resources than us. So we're getting £100 million from Sky ....well Whoop de doo so is everyone else or haven't you guys worked that one out?? Not only that but some of these clubs have been at this top table for many years more than us getting stronger and stronger all the time. To compete (and yes I want us to compete and believe that we are competing ) we have to square that circle somehow - buying players and selling them on at a profit is one way, having a manager who can make the team greater than the sum of its parts is another. There is only one way that we can ever hope to simply rise to the top by spending loads of money -----by doing it in a lower division. Not my choice thankyou.

How dare you accuse the rest of us of being narrow-minded and not progressive? We've just had our best finish for 40 odd years and there's only one thing I want this year ....to finish higher. And again next year ....and again and again. Returning to the subject of this thread - I'm not thrilled about Wells ...but he is just one player in what is now looking to be a very strong squad.

Sorry if that seemed personally aimed at you Tsarbomba ....your post seemed typical of many from other posters.

Pretty sure you missed the point Tsarbomba was making...

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:51 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Look at Bournemouth, similar to us in stature apart from a Rich owner, some would say lucky to stay up for the last 2 years. Others would point to good management and to be fair playing the likes of Stanislas and turning him in to what he has done, who could argue

I'd say they're more similar to the old Wimbledon or Wigan, since when have Bournemouth been a medium sized club?

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:54 pm

"Fed up with reading sh*t like this. 1987 has nothing to do with it. What matters is NOW...and the simple fact is that we are in a division with 19 other clubs nearly all of whom have more resources than us. So we're getting £100 million from Sky ....well Whoop de doo so is everyone else or haven't you guys worked that one out??"

Complete nonsense keith1879......We're all fully aware that all other clubs receive at least £100m from Sky but they also ALL have a wage bill bill in excess of £80m, which not only allows them to compete in the transfer market but also to return an annual operating profit.

We are the odd ones out and it's about time you, and others, realised it.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:55 pm

They are not a medium size club they are small as are we. I was trying to make the point that when you don't have the resource you rely on the manager boosting the performance above and beyond on what you have got, which in my opinion Dyche and Howe have done, but to play with those who gave more income we need at least 4 to 5 years of Premier league money to compete

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:56 pm

I think his brother Tonbridge is better.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:57 pm

ClaretAL wrote:True but as can be seen the bigger the fan base, the bigger the income, the bigger the wages you can pay. Look at Stoke, Swansea and WBA definitely not power houses, but can offer so much more than we can, purely on income

Looking at Stoke for instance, in 2015-2016 (when we were in the Championship) our gate receipts were £5m to their £8m. Apart from the superclubs or those with a very rich owner who is willing to take the hits (which isn't many) the fanbase isn't that relevant, it's 5 or 10% of the income.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:00 pm

ClaretAL wrote:They are not a medium size club they are small as are we. I was trying to make the point that when you don't have the resource you rely on the manager boosting the performance above and beyond on what you have got, which in my opinion Dyche and Howe have done, but to play with those who gave more income we need at least 4 to 5 years of Premier league money to compete

If you think Bournemouth are as big as Burnley then you're deluded. Not saying we're a massive club but Bournemouth are on a par with teams like Rochdale, only they got lucky with a rich benefactor.
Anyway from what I've seen of Wells he looks ok, probably not as good as Wood but the amounts some people expect us to spend is unreal. Haven't we spent over 30 million this window so far?

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:00 pm

PWBFC wrote:Pretty sure you missed the point Tsarbomba was making...

Completely!

Bottom line, are we giving ourselves the best possible chance, with our transfer policy, of staying in the top league? I'm not talking about betting the ranch either.

We're cashing tv money, record player sales, and doing what exactly with the money? The ground is decrepit, and we're middling around with offers for an injured Championship player. I've no issue with Wells, but we could and should be aiming higher. We can afford it.

My fear, evidenced in this transfer window, is that we're penny pinching again.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:03 pm

It's more than gate it's fan base. Do you think the likes of UTD run at a loss as a plc? No because their worldwide fan base keeps them afloat to the measure of 100M signing 250k per week players from the fan base shirts, etc. If you believe PSG, they said the 200M for naymar will be recovered in 2 years on shirt sales, same with Real Madrid and Ronaldo, so I know that I have taken the example to extreme but it is all about fan base

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:04 pm

Better than Ashley Barnes so it's an improvement.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:11 pm

claretspice wrote:How quickly did Defour and Hendrick go into the team last summer, or Gray the year before?

Not the point I was making, because first off they were not all signed at the same time. We don't make major disruptions to the squad - never have.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:12 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:"Fed up with reading sh*t like this. 1987 has nothing to do with it. What matters is NOW...and the simple fact is that we are in a division with 19 other clubs nearly all of whom have more resources than us. So we're getting £100 million from Sky ....well Whoop de doo so is everyone else or haven't you guys worked that one out??"

Complete nonsense keith1879......We're all fully aware that all other clubs receive at least £100m from Sky but they also ALL have a wage bill bill in excess of £80m, which not only allows them to compete in the transfer market but also to return an annual operating profit.

We are the odd ones out and it's about time you, and others, realised it.

I know you're good with figures I have watched your posts with interest for a number of years and respect your views.I am now putting my ex Bank Manager head on and asking you if we have a figure of say £105m from sky and wage bill in excess of £80m as other clubs do where is the money coming from to pay for transfers in.£20/25m is not a large transfer fund.I know we have other income coming in but I suspect that would only cover outgoings.As a cautious Banker I would also be expecting money put on one side for a rainy day i.e. Relegation.The parachute payments would not cover such a high wage bill and it would be difficult to reduce that in the short term.Just interested in your views.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:16 pm

ClaretAL wrote:It's more than gate it's fan base. Do you think the likes of UTD run at a loss as a plc? No because their worldwide fan base keeps them afloat to the measure of 100M signing 250k per week players from the fan base shirts, etc. If you believe PSG, they said the 200M for naymar will be recovered in 2 years on shirt sales, same with Real Madrid and Ronaldo, so I know that I have taken the example to extreme but it is all about fan base

Stop being ridiculous.

We're not comparing ourselves to Man United, or any of the top 6/7 for that matter.

When you compare us to the bottom half of the PL, our direct rivals, the matter of fan base, match day income, merchandise, is irrelevant. It's all about the TV deal, and its pretty much an even playing field for all.

Royboy is spot on, our wage bill is a fraction of those around us, but we're constantly told we can't compete with Stoke, West Brom or Bournemouth. Why can't we? It has absolutely nothing to do with how long other teams have been in the Prem, or the owners they have. We have the money, the income, but choose not to spend it.

It's absolutely right to question our transfer policy and wage structure. It's almost laughable. We're perennially trying to stay up with one hand tied behind our back.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:16 pm

ClaretAL wrote:It's more than gate it's fan base. Do you think the likes of UTD run at a loss as a plc? No because their worldwide fan base keeps them afloat to the measure of 100M signing 250k per week players from the fan base shirts, etc. If you believe PSG, they said the 200M for naymar will be recovered in 2 years on shirt sales, same with Real Madrid and Ronaldo, so I know that I have taken the example to extreme but it is all about fan base

That's why I excluded the superclubs.

Comparing the same season Stoke got about £1.5m more in retail sales than we did. Shirt sales don't make that much money, PSG would need to sell about 50 million shirts to recoup the Neymar fee. Man United sold about 2 million, in total, last season.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:23 pm

Ok I suppose it comes down to perception and opinions. I for 1 don't think our board or manager woud withhold masses amounts of money to hinder us in a 100M return, so if we take that in to account plus our wage bill, where do you all think the money is coming from?

Look we are all Clarets and want the same goal but I really do feel some are only fans when the going is good and expect us to have the same power of those who have been at the top table for 4 years plus

MRG · Post by **MRG** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:25 pm

Same power as those around us or even in the division below would be fine with me!!

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:34 pm

ClaretAL wrote:Ok I suppose it comes down to perception and opinions. I for 1 don't think our board or manager woud withhold masses amounts of money to hinder us in a 100M return, so if we take that in to account plus our wage bill, where do you all think the money is coming from?

Look we are all Clarets and want the same goal but I really do feel some are only fans when the going is good and expect us to have the same power of those who have been at the top table for 4 years plus

I do agree with that and I for one am not in favour of us paying stupid money for average players just because we have it and we can. I certainly want us to be sensible and careful, remembering that transfer fees are not the end of it as there's always wages to add on. I was just maybe hoping that we might sign someone a bit younger with that untapped potential who looked like a possible bargain and who we could polish and grow and mould. Wells just doesn't seem to fit that bill to me. Yes pretty cheap, but older, injured and discarded by a relegation rival. HOWEVER, if anyone can show they're missing a trick and turn him into a decent PL striker SD can!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:36 pm

The thing is, the money situation in the top division is changing very rapidly. If this was the first or second time that we went up then I would probably be agreeing with you.

However, the latest tv deal with the huge increase in tv money has entirely changed the business. For those smaller clubs, which make up at least half of the Premier League, the non-TV revenue is quickly becoming a very small proportion of their total revenue.

It's easy to miss this if you don't look into the breakdown of revenue, accounts, etc but what the numbers show is different.

Also bear in mind that buying players isn't just throwing money away. It's exchanging one asset for another. That second asset isn't as liquid as cash but it does have the potential for a significant return on investment (although of course that will be matched by flops/free transfers). If fees are to be believed we even made a profit on Darikwa for instance.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Despite all the negativity, has anyone watched his goals video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are some excellent goals of all types in that. He looks a quality player on that form.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:44 pm

ClaretAL wrote:True but as can be seen the bigger the fan base, the bigger the income, the bigger the wages you can pay. Look at Stoke, Swansea and WBA definitely not power houses, but can offer so much more than we can, purely on income

Those sides you mentioned have wealthy owners and have been in the PL for many many years. Absolutely nothing to do with how many tickets they sell. Infact how many more fans do those 3 get? They must only get around an extra 5k fans to us, hardly massive money.

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:50 pm

Steddyman wrote:Despite all the negativity, has anyone watched his goals video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are some excellent goals of all types in that. He looks a quality player on that form.

That's what I thought. But no doubt someone who posts on here is producing one of the chances he doesn't take.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:51 pm

ClaretAL wrote:It's more than gate it's fan base. Do you think the likes of UTD run at a loss as a plc? No because their worldwide fan base keeps them afloat to the measure of 100M signing 250k per week players from the fan base shirts, etc. If you believe PSG, they said the 200M for naymar will be recovered in 2 years on shirt sales, same with Real Madrid and Ronaldo, so I know that I have taken the example to extreme but it is all about fan base

Are the Stoke fans in Nigeria selling out the Stoke shop of Darren Fletcher shirts? I highly doubt it.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:52 pm

Steddyman wrote:Despite all the negativity, has anyone watched his goals video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are some excellent goals of all types in that. He looks a quality player on that form.

Watching those 90 goals it's hard to tell which is his prefered foot, it seems to be about 50/50. I think he's amphibious.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:52 pm

I'll happily say I'm wrong, but this doesn't really float my boat.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:55 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Watching those 90 goals it's hard to tell which is his prefered foot, it seems to be about 50/50. I think he's amphibious.

If he is, he would be well matched to Burnley with all the rain we get.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:56 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Watching those 90 goals it's hard to tell which is his prefered foot, it seems to be about 50/50. I think he's amphibious.

Billy the fish?

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:03 pm

Pstotto wrote:I think his brother Tonbridge is better.

That's his half brother. Tunbridge is much better

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:09 pm

NickBFC wrote:That's his half brother. Tunbridge is much better

I believe the half brother's full name is Royal Tunbridge...

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:33 pm

Turfytop · Post by **Turfytop** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:55 pm

What happens to previous seasons profits. It never gets mentioned in transfer budget when we start again the next season or is it everyone forgets about it, we are loaded and we are having to make do and manage with signings like wells, and no adequate cb backup etc, why make things harder for ourselves when we don't have to, what happens next season will we again forget about this seasons huge profits, where do these profits go they don't seem to rollover to the next season

paulus the woodgnome · Post by **paulus the woodgnome** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:32 am

His cousin Bomber would be a good addition to the group.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:42 am

Turfytop wrote:What happens to previous seasons profits. It never gets mentioned in transfer budget when we start again the next season or is it everyone forgets about it, we are loaded and we are having to make do and manage with signings like wells, and no adequate cb backup etc, why make things harder for ourselves when we don't have to, what happens next season will we again forget about this seasons huge profits, where do these profits go they don't seem to rollover to the next season

I'm less concerned about any profits from the previous season. As long as we are not holding too much back, holding monies in reserve is sensible.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:17 am

Steddyman wrote:Despite all the negativity, has anyone watched his goals video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are some excellent goals of all types in that. He looks a quality player on that form.

I've been negative about him, whilst I'm still not excited by him and having watched him on numerous occasions he does look semi decent in the video (as most do). He has very good movement, he's just not the pacey winger or CB we are crying out for

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:24 am

How many of us believed in Barnes? I didn't and that was when we were in the Championship?

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:46 am

Good with both feet

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:36 am

Medical this morning
So we will all know by early afternoon.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:38 am

ClaretAL wrote:Look at Bournemouth, similar to us in stature apart from a Rich owner, some would say lucky to stay up for the last 2 years. Others would point to good management and to be fair playing the likes of Stanislas and turning him in to what he has done, who could argue

Bournemouth are not remotely close in stature to Burnley. They're just cash rich.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:55 am

It looks like Wells could be our last signing of the window ....according to Boden

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:00 am

A decision that could be viewed as reckless should the injury jinx strike Tarkowski and/or Mee.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:02 am

Blyclaret wrote:It looks like Wells could be our last signing of the window ....according to Boden

No disrespect intended to you or Boden, but Transfer Deadline Day is a very fluid event. Circumstances can change and players availability can change at any point in time. Who knew we were after Grosicki last year? That came totally out of left field on the evening of the deadline day. I have said on other posts, I have a funny feeling we have a surprise in store. Besides. Boden may well and probably has been kept out of the loop regards recruitment in order not to scupper a deal.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:07 am

I'm only posting what I've read from his twitter account
He may well be

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:49 am

I am still hoping that boden is in on a plot to get someone else instead of Wells and 10 times more importantly another cb. I can't believe that people on here still think we could manage with just 3. Have you heard of risk management. Some can't even see that tarks and mee could be out at the same time. That is how sod's law works.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:23 am

If needed Charlie TAYLOR can play CB
I can't believe all this negativity
Cork Walters and Barnsley have more premier league experience than any other three players currently playing in the Premier league.
With Wells coming in and hopefully Barnsey staying we have real options up front and if we we can score more goals as a result then our defence will not need to be as good as last season with Keane but Tarks looks promising.
I am very optimistic
In Sean I trust
UTC

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:29 am

I think it looks as though Sean believes he can always pick 2 from our 'pool' of Central defenders (or those that can play there)

Mee, Tarks, Long, Taylor, Bardsley, Cork

If we can't find better than what we have, then I can see the logic for not bothering.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:33 am

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:If needed Charlie TAYLOR can play CB
I can't believe all this negativity
Cork Walters and Barnsley have more premier league experience than any other three players currently playing in the Premier league.
With Wells coming in and hopefully Barnsey staying we have real options up front and if we we can score more goals as a result then our defence will not need to be as good as last season with Keane but Tarks looks promising.
I am very optimistic
In Sean I trust
UTC

Charlie Taylor can not play centre back in the PL I don't care if he played there for fitness in pre season. Before Dyche put him there not one person would have suggested him being a CB option. I wish people would get this idea out of their heads. We need another centre back.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:34 am

Anyone who saw Taylor at centre back knows Taylor cannot play centre back.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am

Just trying to understand how this thread as developed is a tough read. Logically you can only pick 6 players in front of a back 4 so anyone we sign now who fits the bill of a 1 in 6 player and will either start or not. If you accept that Defour, Cork and Hendrick start, that leaves 3 places, add Brady and you now have two shirts to fill from Wells, Wood, Walters, Vokes, Barnes, JBG, Arfield, Westwood and Marney when fit. For me Wells is a good signing as we have options for the front 6 and he just adds another option for the Manager. We are not going to sign a £30 Million pound striker earning £80k a week until we get into Europe so realistically lets continue to make good progress at the right speed and cost. UTC

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:47 am

SussexDon1inIreland wrote:If needed Charlie TAYLOR can play CB
I can't believe all this negativity
Cork Walters and Barnsley have more premier league experience than any other three players currently playing in the Premier league.
With Wells coming in and hopefully Barnsey staying we have real options up front and if we we can score more goals as a result then our defence will not need to be as good as last season with Keane but Tarks looks promising.
I am very optimistic
In Sean I trust
UTC

Who's Barnsley?