Mike Garlick's interview in May

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:56 pm

Dyche has more power at the club now, hence the aged signings.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:08 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Dyche has more power at the club now, hence the aged signings.

Eh?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:15 pm

So far it doesn't look great at all but no matter how p***ed off I am that Grays leaving and Keane hasn't been replaced I think its a tad unfair to judge our overall window while its still open. Actions speak louder than words, we'll soon see if Garlick backs up his big talk.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:20 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You're going to look very, very silly in a couple of hours when Gray passes his medical.

Passed his medical and signed.

https://www.watfordfc.com/teams/first-t ... record-fee

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:24 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I notice that the milk needs replacing, and buy some more before it runs out.

It's also how other clubs sell their players, as we;ve found out to our detriment.

It's not the way BFC do things. Their 2 litre bottle of milk runs out, then they leave it and do without milk for weeks and months before they then buy a pint of it.

Best go shopping for that milk Mr Garlick.

2 big ones please, one for the back and one for the front.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:30 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I'm not sure that's true. Did Everton sign a replacement for Lukakau before they sold him? Even Barcelona haven't replaced Neymar yet.

That's why I said "most" clubs.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:32 pm

And I've also just realised Everton did sign replacements. Next pointless argument...

Touchline · Post by **Touchline** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:28 pm

Mike's interview was perfectly sensible and accurate at that time. Whilst we don't have to sell any player we also can't keep one who wants to move on, further his career and earn more money than we can ever pay. That's the market and the ambition. What do you expect him to say "we'll just let our best players go because we can't afford to keep them" ? The board, the players and the agents all know the market they're in. The agents were touting their players around in January not last week. Gray was told " I can get you x in the summer' Burnley were told the same and asked to come up with the money. We can't for various reasons and nor should we pay salaries that will break us. Ditto Keane. They move for money, ambition and personal reasons. We have to accept that and not slaughter them. The timing is also not within our control. Things change on a daily basis with incoming and outgoing transfers. Players are temporary and we have to accept that. As much as we don't like it. We're on an upward curve, massively so. And it's people like Mike Garlick who are responsible for that.

NZclaret · Post by **NZclaret** » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:31 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Chelsea away, West Brom home and Spurs away.

Where do you think our points are coming from there?

Last season we got 5 points from 'free hit games' only stayed up by 6.
No game is a free hit every game we need to aim to get points from with our best team. The season starts Saturday, our first chance is Saturday.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:06 am

Braindead wrote:Look, without reiterating the same point that keeps being said, the only correct way to view the transfer window is on 1st September. If by then we haven't replaced Keane or Gray or spent more money on transfers than last summer then fair enough, I will bet he first to criticise the club, but all this whinging and crying about things is utterly pointless.

It's 1st September.

We haven't replaced Keane.

We haven't got a winger. Garlick's sold us down the river.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:05 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's 1st September.

We haven't replaced Keane.

We haven't got a winger. Garlick's sold us down the river.

Do you never get fed up of posting the same old and listening to your own voice?

We are bloody tenth in the Premier League, have a great squad, pay bobbins all for our season tickets, have the best manager around, have just beaten Chelsea and drawn at Spurs in their own back yards and you still whinge.

JUST SHUT UP.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:12 am

We started 09/10 pretty well too, and season tickets were free for most of us. We thought we had the best manager around, and were in the top half of the table.

How did that pan out?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:14 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:We started 09/10 pretty well too, and season tickets were free for most of us. We thought we had the best manager around, and were in the top half of the table.

How did that pan out?

We have the same manager and are 10th in the Premier League and one of the best run clubs in the world.

Next…..

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:16 am

Owen Coyle is still our manager?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:18 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:We started 09/10 pretty well too, and season tickets were free for most of us. We thought we had the best manager around, and were in the top half of the table.

How did that pan out?

You're comparing Dyche to Coyle? Wow, you've really lost it!

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:20 am

I'm not, am I.

Is that how you've read that? Really?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:20 am

My apologies - you post so much rubbish I don't normally take notice of half of it so I misread the dates.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:23 am

The club could have had £40/50m to spend besides the money coming in for Gray and Keane.

If they won't prepared to spend an absolute fortune on squad players they did the right thing. We go with what we have. We revaluate in January. If they'res deals to be had we'll go with it.

So stop fretting. Stop crying. Stop wetting the bed.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:23 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:We haven't replaced Keane.

Who on earth is Tarkowski then?

btw, I'm willing to have a bet with you that you can't find a single post of yours that says anything positive about the club.

I can guarantee that you won't agree to that bet.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:26 am

Tarkowski was at the club at the same time as Keane.

You're not DSR are you, posting under a pseudonym?

He seems to think that if you have three apples, and someone takes one away, that you still have three apples.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:41 am

Feel free to look through my posts Spijed. You'll see a lot of times I was 100% correct when dealing with very strange and stubborn viewpoints.

I just cant accept low standards from my football team, of human decency and of this messageboard.

You'll see me stand up for the LGBT community, for disabled people, for the lowest earners, for minorities suffering oppression. I think you might actually see me in a new light.

Seriously, please take the time to look through.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:44 am

tybfc wrote:Do you never get fed up of posting the same old and listening to your own voice?

We are bloody tenth in the Premier League, have a great squad, pay bobbins all for our season tickets, have the best manager around, have just beaten Chelsea and drawn at Spurs in their own back yards and you still whinge.

JUST SHUT UP.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:46 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Feel free to look through my posts Spijed. You'll see a lot of times I was 100% correct when dealing with very strange and stubborn viewpoints.

I just cant accept low standards from my football team, of human decency and of this messageboard.

You'll see me stand up for the LGBT community, for disabled people, for the lowest earners, for minorities suffering oppression. I think you might actually see me in a new light.

Seriously, please take the time to look through.

I totally agree with your non-footballing views which are very admirable.

However when it comes to BFC that seems to be a different matter.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:09 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Feel free to look through my posts Spijed. You'll see a lot of times I was 100% correct when dealing with very strange and stubborn viewpoints.

I just cant accept low standards from my football team, of human decency and of this messageboard.

You'll see me stand up for the LGBT community, for disabled people, for the lowest earners, for minorities suffering oppression. I think you might actually see me in a new light.

Seriously, please take the time to look through.

Away from football I agree your posts are worth reading.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:14 am

But you don't agree with me thinking that having just 3 centre backs for 2 positions is worrying?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:21 am

I only want the best for the club I've been watching since its darkest days.

Don't go for second best baby.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:27 am

In this instance I totally agree with UpTheBeehole in that having just three centre-backs for two positions is extremely worrying. Lessons really should have been learnt from the 'Marneygate fiasco' two seasons ago.

However, my personal opinion is that Dyche is not responsible for the potential mess that will await us with a couple of injuries or suspensions, but he will be far too professional to be overly critical at this moment in time.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:34 am

Touchline wrote:Mike's interview was perfectly sensible and accurate at that time. Whilst we don't have to sell any player we also can't keep one who wants to move on, further his career and earn more money than we can ever pay. That's the market and the ambition. What do you expect him to say "we'll just let our best players go because we can't afford to keep them" ? The board, the players and the agents all know the market they're in. The agents were touting their players around in January not last week. Gray was told " I can get you x in the summer' Burnley were told the same and asked to come up with the money. We can't for various reasons and nor should we pay salaries that will break us. Ditto Keane. They move for money, ambition and personal reasons. We have to accept that and not slaughter them. The timing is also not within our control. Things change on a daily basis with incoming and outgoing transfers. Players are temporary and we have to accept that. As much as we don't like it. We're on an upward curve, massively so. And it's people like Mike Garlick who are responsible for that.

Not accordinbg to UpTheBeehole! Who says that Garlick has 'sold us down the river' (whatever that means!).

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:36 am

Royboyclaret wrote:In this instance I totally agree with UpTheBeehole in that having just three centre-backs for two positions is extremely worrying. Lessons really should have been learnt from the 'Marneygate fiasco' two seasons ago.

However, my personal opinion is that Dyche is not responsible for the potential mess that will await us with a couple of injuries or suspensions, but he will be far too professional to be overly critical at this moment in time.

But surely Mike Garlick is wise enough to know that if he has restricted the transfer funds and it goes wrong then any good will towards him will disappear very quickly and it will turn ugly.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:37 am

Where's the evidence that the Board has prevented Dyche from signing a CB, as opposed to Dyche deciding not to sign one bearing in mind it was reported weeks ago he didn't consider a CB a priority?

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:41 am

Royboyclaret wrote:In this instance I totally agree with UpTheBeehole in that having just three centre-backs for two positions is extremely worrying. Lessons really should have been learnt from the 'Marneygate fiasco' two seasons ago.

However, my personal opinion is that Dyche is not responsible for the potential mess that will await us with a couple of injuries or suspensions, but he will be far too professional to be overly critical at this moment in time.

I don't think you'll find anyone arguing the point that we should have signed another centre half. We're only an injury or two away from a crisis. I'm of the opinion that he was priced out of signing any centre halves, or we weren't prepared to match the fees quoted. I am just hoping beyond all hope that we have someone lined up for the January sales. It may well be that we don't need anyone, but if one area has been badly managed by whomever, it is the lack of signing at the very least, a back up centre half who we felt comfortable enough bringing in as a contingency plan.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:42 am

Dyche has said all along that centre back has not been a priority, and the rumours of forward signings have far outweighed the rumours of defender signings, so I think it's fair to assume that it was Dyche's decision not to pursue a centre half above all.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:46 am

Spijed......I've said it often enough on here that Burnley operate in a unique way as a Premier League club and basically we either accept that or at least understand the consequences if things don't turn out as planned.

There's little point acknowledging what a wonderful wages policy we have and at the same time being surprised that we can't attract the sort of players to the club that other clubs can.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:51 am

taio........there is no evidence at all and I fully respect your view that any decision was down to the manager. I just don't concur with that view.

As for centre back not being a priority, the only place I've seen that is on here (and by one poster in particular), certainly not seen any quote from the manager.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:55 am

Royboyclaret wrote:taio........there is no evidence at all and I fully respect your view that any decision was down to the manager. I just don't concur with that view.

As for centre back not being a priority, the only place I've seen that is on here (and by one poster in particular), certainly not seen any quote from the manager.

"Ideally we like to have two for each position so there's competition. We've got three recognised centre-halves and Charlie Taylor, who I think could adapt into a very good centre-half. If one is right for us, and fits what we're about, then we would be interested. But only if they can better what we're doing at the moment."

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:58 am

Charlie Taylor looks to have the potential to be one of the best attacking wing backs in the country.

It will be a crying shame if he's lumped in central defence just because of his employer's strange aversion to buying a central defender.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:00 pm

To be fair that's wide open to interpretation.... If one is right for us, and fits what we're about, then we would be interested,.... covers all possible angles.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:03 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:To be fair that's wide open to interpretation.... If one is right for us, and fits what we're about, then we would be interested,.... covers all possible angles.

From what he said though it was entirely reasonable for people to conclude SD wasn't prioritising a centre half, or was "happy with the pool of centre backs" which was the headline. That's a more sensible conclusion than blaming the Board for not backing SD.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:03 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Spijed......I've said it often enough on here that Burnley operate in a unique way as a Premier League club and basically we either accept that or at least understand the consequences if things don't turn out as planned.

There's little point acknowledging what a wonderful wages policy we have and at the same time being surprised that we can't attract the sort of players to the club that other clubs can.

Other clubs have paid the wages to attract the allegedly better players and achieved the square root of naff all in the PL apart from provide a fixture for the top spenders.

Then when one of those clubs drops down a league they're in financial trouble.
IF we can stay up without sinking ourselves into financial trouble why shouldn't we?

Sunderland for example did nothing apart from provide amusement for several seasons.
I can't remember them doing much else.

If we matched the silly wages being paid by others there is no guarantee we get anything for it and its time other clubs realized that.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:08 pm

You can spend a hell of a lot of money, and still be relegated. Look at Portsmouth, QPR, Aston Villa, Middlesboro etc.

Overall, I think we are 'stronger' overall, but weaker in defence. Can we get by with what we have for 4 months - probably and hopefully.

I'd fully expect a CB in January, IF Dyche feels one is needed!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Charlie Taylor looks to have the potential to be one of the best attacking wing backs in the country.

It will be a crying shame if he's lumped in central defence just because of his employer's strange aversion to buying a central defender.

Seen him play much?

I haven't so I'm curious on what basis you think he looks like he could be A - a wing back and B - one of the best in the country.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:09 pm

It's all about balance Sidney, somehow we have to find a way to compete financially without putting the club in jeopardy, and remember there are such things as relegation clauses written into contracts and a first year £48 million parachute payment to sweeten the pill if it all goes wrong.

Look, in this case, I just think that the timing of the decision to sign Chris Wood, had massive financial implications on any other business that might have followed.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:12 pm

The Chris wood signing was financially balanced off with the sale of Gray though...the fees are nearly the same so I doubt that Wood signing hindered anything.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:13 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Seen him play much?

I haven't so I'm curious on what basis you think he looks like he could be A - a wing back and B - one of the best in the country.

To be fair. He played left wing back for Leeds and is quite highly regarded in football circles. What I have seen of him he does seem like a strong lad and can hold off challenges, but I, as most people have probably only seen him play on the left.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:15 pm

Anyway, its not about competing financially, its all about being able to compete.

We don't need to try match the financial spending of other clubs because most of them have shown they're willing to sink into debt to get what they want.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:20 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Seen him play much?

I haven't so I'm curious on what basis you think he looks like he could be A - a wing back and B - one of the best in the country.

I've seen him play twice for Burnley and numerous times for Leeds.

In one of the games for Burnley he played centre back one half, stunk the place out and should have been sent off, and then left back the second. It was like chalk and cheese.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:21 pm

People who criticise the clubs transfer dealings are called out as being 'negative'.

IMO its those that are happy with the transfer window that are negative

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:21 pm

But we'll never compete with a Wage bill that's half that of the next lowest in the Premier League (with the possible exception of Huddersfield).

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:23 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I just cant accept low standards from my football team

I'm assuming you have only just become a Claret then, if this is your view of low standards at Burnley?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:27 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:But we'll never compete with a Wage bill that's half that of the next lowest in the Premier League (with the possible exception of Huddersfield).

Yes we can though with astute signings, whether they're signed from the UK or abroad.