This Tarky is Keane's replacement nonsense

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:13 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: Our failurr to agree on Lennon is more disappointing as we have no cover for Arfield as a rm (unless Hendrick or Defour can slot in there) - i know we have Brady amd jbg but they are both lefties

Did you see our goal at Wembley?

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:18 pm

The master plan is that the manager doesn't think they're awful. You can tell that from the fact that he keeps giving them new contracts. So we have 3 CB's that the manager trusts to play in the first team. We're short of cover beyond that. Which is clearly a crisis.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:37 pm

Keane and Mee were our regular fullbacks last year for most of the season,Tarks was on the bench as backup.Who was our 4th backup CB last year.Long was on loan for most of the season.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:29 pm

Jimscho wrote:Keane and Mee were our regular fullbacks last year for most of the season,Tarks was on the bench as backup.Who was our 4th backup CB last year.Long was on loan for most of the season.

Just remind me again where Long was on loan to most of last season please

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:07 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Just remind me again where Long was on loan to most of last season please

Who cares? He played about 3 games for us, was given his international debut and a new contract.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:15 pm

Why do people think we only need to sign a centre half for the bench? Surely the only way you improve the team is either through bringing in somebody first team quality to replace a current first team player and letting them drop to the bench or get a young lad in with good potential like Keane. Whatever anybody says, we have failed to improve this area and if we're being honest we are weaker than last season in this position.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:24 pm

Does it actually matter? Tarks was brought in to one day be 1st centre half.

Guess what, he is now 1st choice centre half.

Really don't see why it matters.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:35 pm

It matters because it only leaves us Kevin Long as a natural CB. If Mee gets injured than Tarks and Long are starting. That would worry me. Say ones injured and one picks up a suspension, Taylor and Long starting, massively worrying!!

I don't care who replaced who, I just know were a CB short.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:38 pm

Jimscho wrote:Keane and Mee were our regular fullbacks last year for most of the season,Tarks was on the bench as backup.Who was our 4th backup CB last year.Long was on loan for most of the season.

Apart from neither Mee or Keane being regular full backs last year and Kevin Long spending most of the season on loan that post is great.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:39 pm

Last season Keane & Mee only missed 3 & 4 games between them, so played virtually the whole of the season.

This time, at least we know that we can re-assess in January so our players basically have only to remain fit for 18 or so matches, not a full season.

That might have been in Dyche's thinking.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:56 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Apart from neither Mee or Keane being regular full backs last year and Kevin Long spending most of the season on loan that post is great.

Yep got my fullbacks and centrebacks mixed up.I put it down to old age.Thought I had read on this message board somewhere that he had been out on loan.Apologies if not true.I am never too old to apologise.Others on this board could follow my example sometime.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:57 pm

I think SD, if memory serves me right was chasing Tarks for a long while before he eventually signed. Strange, whilst at Oldham that he chose Brentford over us, but probably felt at time he had a better chance of regular football. I can recall the season we signed him (15/16), he was brilliant at TM. IMO this lad can go all the way. I can't understand the level of criticism he is receiving from some quarters.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:33 pm

"This time, at least we know we can re-assess in January so our players basically have only to remain fit for 18 or so matches, not a full season."

This was probably similar to the logic that Sean Dyche used when he failed to strengthen a threadbare Burnley midfield in that fateful January window not so long ago. How long did Marney last? It definitely wasn't 18 matches not even 18 hours.

When Sean Dyche and his family go abroad on holiday I wonder if he bothers to buy travel insurance. "We'll only be away for a couple of weeks what's the worst that can happen."

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:07 pm

kentonclaret wrote:"This time, at least we know we can re-assess in January so our players basically have only to remain fit for 18 or so matches, not a full season."

This was probably similar to the logic that Sean Dyche used when he failed to strengthen a threadbare Burnley midfield in that fateful January window not so long ago. How long did Marney last? It definitely wasn't 18 matches not even 18 hours.

When Sean Dyche and his family go abroad on holiday I wonder if he bothers to buy travel insurance. "We'll only be away for a couple of weeks what's the worst that can happen."

But we'd decided not to spend any money on transfers then, this time we have. I must have missed the signing of Chris Wood, for example, or that of Jack Cork.

Dyche clearly rates Long otherwise he wouldn't offer him a new contract.

Are you saying that supporters can see something that Dyche can't?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:46 pm

Just remind me how many points we got from those last 3 games, 2 of which were at home to teams around us and whether what was the cb pairing. I really rate tarks BTW.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:56 pm

Tarkowski deserves his chance and looks like he has the makings of a good defender. However don't see anything wrong with the concerns posters have over our lack of cover there.

Fingers crossed Mee and Tarkowski stay fit and suspension free until January.

Jimscho · Post by **Jimscho** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:03 pm

summitclaret wrote:Just remind me how many points we got from those last 3 games, 2 of which were at home to teams around us and whether what was the cb pairing. I really rate tarks BTW.

We were safe and on the beach by then.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:24 pm

Not against wba and still about £12m after that at stake in place's payments. Could have bought Lees for not much more than that or similar.

I think it comes down to us morons v happy clappers. ( The morons don't like gambling - the happy clappers seem to be trance induced ).

Someone might want to start a thread.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:02 pm

Watching Tarkowski's performance against Kane, Ali etc. on Sunday can anyone really say Keane would have done any better. It was as good as any game Keane has had for us. He seemed to block everything, intercept passes, read the game very well.

Would Keane have played better? Tarkowski has all the makings of becoming a very good centre half at this level, one whose value will increase considerably.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:19 pm

Spijed wrote:Watching Tarkowski's performance against Kane, Ali etc. on Sunday can anyone really say Keane would have done any better. It was as good as any game Keane has had for us. He seemed to block everything, intercept passes, read the game very well.

Would Keane have played better? Tarkowski has all the makings of becoming a very good centre half at this level, one whose value will increase considerably.

It's not about the fact that Tarky has now replaced Keane, this post is about some folk using hindsight to say that Tarky was always the replacement for Keane because we haven't got another centre back in.

I agree that Tarky played well at Wembley. It's not about pointing fingers and saying he's not good enough and he's this and that.

When the news broke of Keane going to Everton the thought from me was that we'll have to get another centre back in, and one that is genuine competition for a starting place because we'd lost our best centre back. Preferably one with experience and a bit of a leader. I know that would be difficult and virtually impossible to get a like for like replacement for Keane.

I can live with trying and failing to get a centre back in, but we don't seem to have tried because it wasn't a 'priority', and that's a head scratcher.

I don't even know as much as a lot of folk on this board let alone Sean Dyche, but when a player as good as Keane goes it leaves a void and us with less numbers in that position.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:28 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's not about the fact that Tarky has now replaced Keane, this post is about some folk using hindsight to say that Tarky was always the replacement for Keane because we haven't got another centre back in.

I agree that Tarky played well at Wembley. It's not about pointing fingers and saying he's not good enough and he's this and that.

When the news broke of Keane going to Everton the thought from me was that we'll have to get another centre back in, and one that is genuine competition for a starting place because we'd lost our best centre back. Preferably one with experience and a bit of a leader. I know that would be difficult and virtually impossible to get a like for like replacement for Keane.

Like when our Captain Shackell left?

Get a bloody grip man

I can live with trying and failing to get a centre back in, but we don't seem to have tried because it wasn't a 'priority', and that's a head scratcher.

I don't even know as much as a lot of folk on this board let alone Sean Dyche, but when a player as good as Keane goes it leaves a void and us with less numbers in that position.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:32 pm

Maybe it's you who needs to get a grip being as you're so flustered that you've put your words in the quote.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:42 pm

TBH Dyche would look a bit of a chump saying to Garlick a couple of years ago "I really want to sign this guy from Brentford. He's a great CB. Give me several squillion quid to make it happen...please". And then two years later saying to the same Mr Garlick "I need several zillion, squillion quid for a decent CB...please, because I didn't fully check out the the one I got before and turns out he's defective!"
SD thought Tarks was the EVENTUAL answer to a problem which was a long way off. Tarks has been patient and that day has now arrived. SD HAS to back his judgement and play him (if fit and available) for his own credibility as much as anything and I for one will back him. IF after 6 months it turns out he's not the real deal at this level then it will be obvious to everyone.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:50 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:TBH Dyche would look a bit of a chump saying to Garlick a couple of years ago "I really want to sign this guy from Brentford. He's a great CB. Give me several squillion quid to make it happen...please". And then two years later saying to the same Mr Garlick "I need several zillion, squillion quid for a decent CB...please, because I didn't fully check out the the one I got before and turns out he's defective!"
SD thought Tarks was the EVENTUAL answer to a problem which was a long way off. Tarks has been patient and that day has now arrived. SD HAS to back his judgement and play him (if fit and available) for his own credibility as much as anything and I for one will back him. IF after 6 months it turns out he's not the real deal at this level then it will be obvious to everyone.

Dyche won't give a toss about that.

It's happened with Vossen and there's not one manager out there who has got every player right.

I'll bet there's not one single Burnley fan out there that doesn't want to see Tarky as an established Premier League centre back for Burnley, not one.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:01 pm

What don't you get. Tarks is now the man. What happens if he can't play? We have a revenue budget of around 115 m and 2 cbs with a journeyman as back up.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:07 pm

You can't call Long a 'journeyman'.

He's been with Burnley longer than some of the fans have.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:34 pm

He's been on loan all over the place.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:48 pm

I have no problem with Long as 3rd choice. It's the lack of a specialist 4th choice, when our framework keeps our CBs so busy, that is the problem. I would have been very pleased with the window if we had bought a Wells equivalent at CB instead.

Anyway, last moan from me for a while. I've got an important job to do.

UTC!

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:09 am

We seem to already have 4 CB's. Tarkowski, Tarks, Tarka & Tarky!!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:38 am

summitclaret wrote:He's been on loan all over the place.

Long is no journeyman, he is 27 and not even been on one journey. He is the CB equivalent of Stuart Taylor which is fine for a 4th choice not likely to play but as first choice back up to a pairing already massively weaker than last season he is a disaster waiting to happen

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:45 am

I haven't posted for a long time just because the extreme negative posters of which there are only a few just dominate the forum which wasn't like that in the clarets mad days so much but this thread caught my eye.

"Tarky" was always Keanes replacement - he was the top rated championship centre back signed when the rumours of premier league clubs were looking at signing Keane in 2016, it was inevitable at that point that Keane would leave at some point possibly sooner rather than later.

Keane himself was signed as a replacement for Duff, and that was a signing where nobody could have guessed Keane would go on to be so highly rated and an England International - and he (like Tarkowski) had to wait 18 months to become a first choice centre back. In that time we didn't sign another "star" player ahead of him we developed him to become the first choice.

This is identical to the Tarkowski situation - he has been a first choice centre back in waiting - we were never ever going to sign another ahead of him, Dyche has said that pre-season.

Long is the next centre back in waiting - he has been consistently re-signed and only this summer got a new contract. He has been on loan during his time with us but now it is clear Dyche thinks he has stepped up a level which means he is confident he is good enough to be backup in the premier league. He would not have been offered a new contract over the summer otherwise.

What this shows is what a lot of us talk about - Dyche improves players and puts faith in them. This is what creates loyalty and spirit that is 100% more powerful than anything else any other team has which is why we are where we are.

The fact that some posters are so negative and act like Burnley are Man United says more about those posters than Burnley - true Burnley fans are not these type of people and are clearly youngsters that normally would support Man United in the old days and now "support" Burnley because we are in the premier league.

To be hyper critical is just nonsense and this is after beating Chelsea at their place. The future has never been better.

Keeping players happy is 100% the secret to success - and signing players above loyal players in waiting is the secret to having talented relegation teams.

Dyche is so clever and maximises the motivation and does the right thing by each player giving them the chance - to me when he started playing Charlie Taylor at centre back in pre-season he did that because that is the back up plan and that also gives Taylor a chance to play in the team, just like when Tarkowski came on in a holding midfield role last season.

Get these players in the team and enjoying it. That is why we are good and why Sean Dyche knows more than all us armchair idiots.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:49 am

ClaretBauer wrote:I haven't posted for a long time just because the extreme negative posters of which there are only a few just dominate the forum which wasn't like that in the clarets mad days so much but this thread caught my eye.

"Tarky" was always Keanes replacement - he was the top rated championship centre back signed when the rumours of premier league clubs were looking at signing Keane in 2016, it was inevitable at that point that Keane would leave at some point possibly sooner rather than later.

Keane himself was signed as a replacement for Duff, and that was a signing where nobody could have guessed Keane would go on to be so highly rated and an England International - and he (like Tarkowski) had to wait 18 months to become a first choice centre back. In that time we didn't sign another "star" player ahead of him we developed him to become the first choice.

This is identical to the Tarkowski situation - he has been a first choice centre back in waiting - we were never ever going to sign another ahead of him, Dyche has said that pre-season.

Long is the next centre back in waiting - he has been consistently re-signed and only this summer got a new contract. He has been on loan during his time with us but now it is clear Dyche thinks he has stepped up a level which means he is confident he is good enough to be backup in the premier league. He would not have been offered a new contract over the summer otherwise.

What this shows is what a lot of us talk about - Dyche improves players and puts faith in them. This is what creates loyalty and spirit that is 100% more powerful than anything else any other team has which is why we are where we are.

The fact that some posters are so negative and act like Burnley are Man United says more about those posters than Burnley - true Burnley fans are not these type of people and are clearly youngsters that normally would support Man United in the old days and now "support" Burnley because we are in the premier league.

To be hyper critical is just nonsense and this is after beating Chelsea at their place. The future has never been better.

Keeping players happy is 100% the secret to success - and signing players above loyal players in waiting is the secret to having talented relegation teams.

Dyche is so clever and maximises the motivation and does the right thing by each player giving them the chance - to me when he started playing Charlie Taylor at centre back in pre-season he did that because that is the back up plan and that also gives Taylor a chance to play in the team, just like when Tarkowski came on in a holding midfield role last season.

Get these players in the team and enjoying it. That is why we are good and why Sean Dyche knows more than all us armchair idiots.

I would have stayed in the shadows if this pile of boll*cks hyperbole is the best you can muster

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:01 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:I would have stayed in the shadows if this pile of boll*cks hyperbole is the best you can muster

There you go - and that's why I stayed in the shadows. For some reason respect isn't necessary anymore - I didn't slag anyone off or anything but that is a response that is nasty in any walk of life if you say that to someone's face it's a fight. But on an online forum or the Facebook generation it's common place. You wouldn't dare say that to my face.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:12 am

ClaretBauer wrote: "Tarky" was always Keanes replacement

Today's word of the day is - hindsight

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:17 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Today's word of the day is - hindsight

Which is what signing Tarkowski was - signing him before Keane left.

In terms of the "next" centre back - clearly Tom Anderson is the next one that Dyche feels is going to be the next one, he is on loan to get experience is in the first team training squad and is a good age.

The emergency is Charlie Taylor before January if all goes tits up.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:17 am

You slagged off posters for being negative and implied they are not proper Burnley fans. Your post is also complete nonsense and far to long winded to be anything more than direct and to the point in my response.

If you are so sensitive that unless you have the opportunity to fight someone you cannot cope with their criticism of you then I think we have found some common ground in both thinking this posting malarkey is not for you

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:23 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:You slagged off posters for being negative and implied they are not proper Burnley fans. Your post is also complete nonsense and far to long winded to be anything more than direct and to the point in my response.

If you are so sensitive that unless you have the opportunity to fight someone you cannot cope with their criticism of you then I think we have found some common ground in both thinking this posting malarkey is not for you

"Your post is complete nonsense and far too long winded."

Sorry I forgot that you 16 year olds can't read anything unless its on Twitter and anything above a few words you can't concentrate on and anything above 140 characters is long winded.

Let's meet up I would love to speak to you in person.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:23 am

ClaretBauer wrote:Which is what signing Tarkowski was - signing him before Keane left.

In terms of the "next" centre back - clearly Tom Anderson is the next one that Dyche feels is going to be the next one, he is on loan to get experience is in the first team training squad and is a good age.

I think that we've found the reason that you don't post much.

Carry on though and don't be a stranger, this board needs all sorts.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:23 am

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Tarks signed to take Keane's place in the team when he left. Keane then didn't leave as soon as many expected so Tarks had to wait longer than expected for a chance.

We don't sign replacements. Players come and players go. It would appear in this instance that we are very light at centre back. But I can only assume, as Dyche hasn't really prioritised strengthening this position, that Dyche sees Long as more than capable back up. And none of us have really seen enough of Long to make a credible argument against this.

I wanted another defender in, and I'm surprised and disappointed that we didn't sign one. But I take comfort from the apparent fact that Dyche is happy with what we've got.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:27 am

ClaretBauer wrote:"Your post is complete nonsense and far too long winded."

Sorry I forgot that you 16 year olds can't read anything unless its on Twitter and anything above a few words you can't concentrate on and anything above 140 characters is long winded.

Let's meet up I would love to speak to you in person.

No thanks I have no interest in meeting random people off the internet

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:33 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:No thanks I have no interest in meeting random people off the internet

Nope you just think it's okay to be nasty to them because you can hide behind the "internet".

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:36 am

Rileybobs wrote:I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Tarks signed to take Keane's place in the team when he left. Keane then didn't leave as soon as many expected so Tarks had to wait longer than expected for a chance.

We don't sign replacements. Players come and players go. It would appear in this instance that we are very light at centre back. But I can only assume, as Dyche hasn't really prioritised strengthening this position, that Dyche sees Long as more than capable back up. And none of us have really seen enough of Long to make a credible argument against this.

I wanted another defender in, and I'm surprised and disappointed that we didn't sign one. But I take comfort from the apparent fact that Dyche is happy with what we've got.

That's exactly how I see it, Long is seen as good enough to be the next premier league defender in waiting. But using this logic if we haven't got a new centre back in to become the next one like Keane was then I can only think that what we have upcoming like Tom Anderson is seen as good enough ongoing.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:38 am

Rileybobs wrote:I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Tarks signed to take Keane's place in the team when he left. Keane then didn't leave as soon as many expected so Tarks had to wait longer than expected for a chance.

Don't you start as well.

I thought that it was fairly common knowledge that we only had two centre backs at the time with Duff on the bench.

That meant we needed another in.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:42 am

ClaretBauer wrote:Nope you just think it's okay to be nasty to them because you can hide behind the "internet".

ClaretBauer · Post by **ClaretBauer** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:42 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Don't you start as well.

I thought that it was fairly common knowledge that we only had two centre backs at the time with Duff on the bench.

That meant we needed another in.

So we only had 2 centre backs with one on the bench then. Now we have 2 centre backs with one on the bench and Taylor clearly groomed as backup.

So what do you expect to be different now?

YOU might say we needed one in but clearly the manager of the club doesn't agree - and he is a better manager than you and almost every other manager outside the premier league and a few in it.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:47 am

ClaretBauer wrote:So we only had 2 centre backs with one on the bench then. Now we have 2 centre backs with one on the bench and Taylor clearly groomed as backup.

So what do you expect to be different now?

YOU might say we needed one in but clearly the manager of the club doesn't agree - and he is a better manager than you.

I apologise and take back my original comment that you should go back to the shadows. Your posts are actually quite amusing and entertaining, please keep it up

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:50 am

ClaretBauer wrote:
So what do you expect to be different now?

Read the whole thread you bore.

YOU might say we needed one in but clearly the manager of the club doesn't agree - and he is a better manager than you

For fried steak

Leon C · Post by **Leon C** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:56 am

Should buy Dale Oskins from West Ham

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:07 pm

"...By having a manager who's been there for a long time, he will have known Michael Keane will be going at some point. And he because of his security I suppose he can look a little bit further into the future and make sure the replacement is there and being prepared even if it's a year off."

Interesting thought's by MOTD2 today who chose to highlight Tarky's contributions.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:11 pm

Tarks, in his last 2 games, has been up against Harry Kane and Benteke. Neither scored.

Reasons to be cheerful......