Inflated transfer fees- blame brexit!!!

[BennyD]

Till what point?
Till the pound is worth about 50 cents?
Euro and Eurozone continuing to strengthen, absolutely no confidence worldwide in the pound.
But - as I know you are going to say - it'll all be worth it, because we can get "control back" and have a blue passport, (even though we won't be able to afford to use it).

There you go again; when we get out the £ might well soar against the Euro, no one knows. You certainly don't. However, it certainly will soar when the Euro implodes and all the major players have to try and start up their original currencies. I hope you are ready for a barrage of 'I told you sos' when this thing finally plays out.

[RingoMcCartney]

He isn't.

Glad we've cleared that one up.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk ... 91135.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

According to the Belfast telegraph he is......

[Lancasterclaret]

When is the euro going to implode?

It just isn't, if only because the global instability that would cause would make the last recession look like a walk in the park.

I get that people want to leave the EU, I just wish they would stick to stuff that makes sense about why they want to leave it.

[BennyD]

When? When Germany can no longer underwrite the profligacies of Greece, Spain, Italy and even france. It's only a matter of time.

[Tall Paul]

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk ... 91135.html

According to the Belfast telegraph he is......

I give up, but I suggest you work on your reading comprehension.

[RingoMcCartney]

I give up, but I suggest you work on your reading comprehension.

You said Tim Farron wasn't saying brexit had caused transfers to increase.

I provide evidence and you suggest I work on my reading !!!!

[Lancasterclaret]

Benny, you don't get it - its now a world currency, and if it collapses, then well, the world economy is going to a hell of a hit.

No one sane wants that

[Tall Paul]

You said Tim Farron wasn't saying brexit had caused transfers to increase.

I provide evidence and you suggest I work on my reading !!!!

No, I suggested you work on your reading comprehension. I'm sure your reading is fine.

[RingoMcCartney]

No, I suggested you work on your reading comprehension. I'm sure your reading is fine.

Nice swerve!

[Bordeauxclaret]

So to be clear remoaners are swallowing a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit even though nobody has actually told a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit?

[Tall Paul]

Nice swerve!

I'm not swerving anything.

If you think that article is evidence that Tim Farron said what you claim he said then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Imploding Turtle]

So to be clear remoaners are swallowing a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit even though nobody has actually told a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit?

[RingoMcCartney]

So to be clear remoaners are swallowing a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit even though nobody has actually told a lie that we broke our transfer record because of Brexit?

Do you agree with what Tim Farron is claiming?

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk ... 91135.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[nil_desperandum]

There you go again; when we get out the £ might well soar against the Euro, no one knows. You certainly don't. However, it certainly will soar when the Euro implodes and all the major players have to try and start up their original currencies. I hope you are ready for a barrage of 'I told you sos' when this thing finally plays out.

You're right. I don't know what will happen to the £ v Euro if we ever actually leave the EU. One near certainty, however, is that if it continues to dip at its current rate over the next few years, as we negotiate and go through a period of transition, it will then have to climb massively to return to its previous levels.
What is staggering however, is that normally perfectly sensible people persist with this myth that the EU is about to fold and the Euro collapse. This was predicted as part of the "leave" campaign strategy.
It was never realistic, but events since the referendum have proved it to be total nonsense.
First the UK, they said, then, Austria, then The Netherlands, then France, etc. etc. None of it has happened and the Eurozone economy continues to grow.
One unintended consequence of triggering Article 50, is that if the country eventually decides that we can't afford to leave the EU, Single Market, and Customs Union after all, we might have to reapply for membership and accept the Euro as a result.
Anyway, as Ringo would say. "You won, get over it", and we'll all have to accept the consequences - good or bad.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm not swerving anything.

If you think that article is evidence that Tim Farron said what you claim he said then you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Look let's not fall out about it Paul. If you think an article headed, "Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices blamed on Brexit by Tim Farron". Is NOT Tim Farron claiming that Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices are to be blamed on Brexit.

Email the Belfast telegraph journalist that wrote the piece, and carry on the discussion with him.

[nil_desperandum]

Look let's not fall out about it Paul. If you think an article headed, "Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices blamed on Brexit by Tim Farron". Is NOT Tim Farron claiming that Football transfer fees and higher ticket prices are to be blamed on Brexit.
.

No he isn't. The headline is claiming he said something he didn't say, and he probably got his info from The Sun anyway.

[RingoMcCartney]

No he isn't. The headline is claiming he said something he didn't say, and he probably got his info from The Sun anyway.

The article has quotation marks wrapped around the words of Tiny Tim.

"“No fan wants to see their club having to pay more for their summer signings but that is what has happened."

You if you don't believe Farron is saying "“No fan wants to see their club having to pay more for their summer signings but that is what has happened" and blaming inflated transfer fees on Brexit. Then i suggest you also contact the Belfast telegraph or alternately contact the political pygmy Remoaner himself, and point put he may have a liable case on his hands


http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk ... 91135.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

That is not the same as him saying inflated transfer fees are all Brexit's fault.

[JohnMcGreal]

Stop trying to pin something else on Brexit and accept that there's never been as much money sloshing around in football and It's reflected in transfer fees. It's not rocket science it's not political, it's simply common sense.

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody was pinning inflated transfer fees on Brexit. You created this thread, you daft sod.

[Imploding Turtle]

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody was pinning inflated transfer fees on Brexit. You created this thread, you daft sod.

It's as if he looks at Donald Trump still ranting about Hillary nearly 300 days after the election and thinks "that's a great idea, lets do that about Brexit".

[Bordeauxclaret]

Come on let's lay off Ringo. We've all got confused after an all day drinking session.

Once he sobers up he'll realise.

[RingoMcCartney]

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody was pinning inflated transfer fees on Brexit. You created this thread, you daft sod.

Apart from Tim Farron. That's the whole point!!!!

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk ... 91135.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RingoMcCartney]

Come on let's lay off Ringo. We've all got confused after an all day drinking session.

Once he sobers up he'll realise.

I asked you a question in my post number 13.

"Do you agree with what Tim Farron is claiming?"

Now you appear a little reticent to answer. Instead prefer to childishly go on about me having had a drink

So I'll ask for the last time.

Do you agree with what Tim Farron is claiming? He blames brexit for I creased transfer fees.

"No fan wants to see their club having to pay more for their summer signings but that is what has happened.

“The fans who pay for their tickets, the club merchandise and their TV packages want the most value they can for their money – a weaker pound means that just isn’t the case.

“I do recognise as a Blackburn Rovers fan this has affected my team less than some this year – but this is yet another reminder of the real cost there is to Brexit.”

If you don't think he is then I urge you to contact either the Belfast telegraph or the Remoaner himself.

If you do agree with him then you've proven yourself to have fallen for the hysterical B.S. he's spouting.

Over to you.......

[BennyD]

You're right. I don't know what will happen to the £ v Euro if we ever actually leave the EU. One near certainty, however, is that if it continues to dip at its current rate over the next few years, as we negotiate and go through a period of transition, it will then have to climb massively to return to its previous levels.
What is staggering however, is that normally perfectly sensible people persist with this myth that the EU is about to fold and the Euro collapse. This was predicted as part of the "leave" campaign strategy.
It was never realistic, but events since the referendum have proved it to be total nonsense.
First the UK, they said, then, Austria, then The Netherlands, then France, etc. etc. None of it has happened and the Eurozone economy continues to grow.
One unintended consequence of triggering Article 50, is that if the country eventually decides that we can't afford to leave the EU, Single Market, and Customs Union after all, we might have to reapply for membership and accept the Euro as a result.
Anyway, as Ringo would say. "You won, get over it", and we'll all have to accept the consequences - good or bad.

The bottom line is that no one knows what's going to happen apart from Barnier making it unnecessarily difficult to leave. Time alone will tell.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

If you do agree with him then you've proven yourself to have fallen for the hysterical B.S. he's spouting.

As opposed to super-intelligent people such as yourselves who voted for an extra 350 million a week to spend on the NHS?

How's that working out for you?

Fallen for any hysterical B.S yourself lately?

[CrosspoolClarets]

The Remoaners are getting increasingly desparate and are now using footie as a vehicle for their dim message.

Farron is about as dim as they get, but it isnt just him, Open Britain tweeted the same today and used the word "forced" to pay more due to the exchange rate. Not sure they understand football.

Like typical Remoaners they seem to be forgetting 3 things:

1. It isnt good to buy overseas anyway, buying British like the Clarets do helps recirculate money into our economy, gets us a better international team and helps Brits play in the top league. Win, win. Or, in our case, Win, Lose, Draw

2. Nobody is forced to do anything, like I said above.

3. Premier League fotball is an export, not an import. The TV money coming in from overseas exceeds the money paid to overseas (and if it doesnt it should do). Thus, if it lasts long enough to affect new TV deals, the exchange rate leads to more money for clubs, not less.

[Stayingup]

86 cents for your pound at the airports.

Slow handclap for the brexit belmtards

Stay in Burnlsy then and clap yourself.

[Stayingup]

The Remoaners are getting increasingly desparate and are now using footie as a vehicle for their dim message.

Farron is about as dim as they get, but it isnt just him, Open Britain tweeted the same today and used the word "forced" to pay more due to the exchange rate. Not sure they understand football.

Like typical Remoaners they seem to be forgetting 3 things:

1. It isnt good to buy overseas anyway, buying British like the Clarets do helps recirculate money into our economy, gets us a better international team and helps Brits play in the top league. Win, win. Or, in our case, Win, Lose, Draw

2. Nobody is forced to do anything, like I said above.

3. Premier League fotball is an export, not an import. The TV money coming in from overseas exceeds the money paid to overseas (and if it doesnt it should do). Thus, if it lasts long enough to affect new TV deals, the exchange rate leads to more money for clubs, not less.

I can tell you tell you is fcn dim. Very dim and a crackpot

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm not sure you lot understand anything to do with this to be perfectly honest.

A staggering lack of knowledge about stuff that if you are going to vote about, you should make an attempt to learn.

[RingoMcCartney]

As opposed to super-intelligent people such as yourselves who voted for an extra 350 million a week to spend on the NHS?

How's that working out for you?

Fallen for any hysterical B.S yourself lately?

We.........havent..............left..............yet......

[Imploding Turtle]

We.........havent..............left..............yet......

So you still think the NHS will get 350 million a week richer when we do leave?

[Rileybobs]

Staggering stupidity.

[Imploding Turtle]

Remember when there was no reason to worry about the ***** tearing up workers' rights?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 22486.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Leon C]

I'm sorry Imploding Turtle but I disagree in the strongest way, workers rights have not been protected since 1984 during the miners strike!
The Falklands war of 1983 changed a lot of attitudes.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I asked you a question in my post number 13.

"Do you agree with what Tim Farron is claiming?"

Now you appear a little reticent to answer. Instead prefer to childishly go on about me having had a drink

So I'll ask for the last time.

Do you agree with what Tim Farron is claiming? He blames brexit for I creased transfer fees.

"No fan wants to see their club having to pay more for their summer signings but that is what has happened.

“The fans who pay for their tickets, the club merchandise and their TV packages want the most value they can for their money – a weaker pound means that just isn’t the case.

“I do recognise as a Blackburn Rovers fan this has affected my team less than some this year – but this is yet another reminder of the real cost there is to Brexit.”

If you don't think he is then I urge you to contact either the Belfast telegraph or the Remoaner himself.

If you do agree with him then you've proven yourself to have fallen for the hysterical B.S. he's spouting.

Over to you.......

Morning Ringo, hope the hangover isn't too bad.
If the pound is weaker than the Euro and you are buying players from Europe then of course the fees are going to increase. It would be the same case in that scenario with or without Brexit.
Now you've taken that article and claimed that it says all transfer fees have gone up because of it, including our own record fee, which he hadn't said. Although bizarrely you claim that nobody has told that lie only to them continue to bleat on about the same thing.
Which lead me to the conclusion that you were drunk. Others have claimed stupidity, I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

[JohnMcGreal]

Barnier making it unnecessarily difficult to leave

It was always going to be difficult to leave. Anybody who paid the slightest bit of attention knew that. The only people who thought leaving would be a piece of cake were the disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox, and anyone who was stupid enough to listen to him.

Barnier has a mandate from the representatives of 27 countries to negotiate on their behalf, and they have all agreed on a clear and concise negotiating position and timetable. There can be no talks about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU until the 'divorce Bill' is settled, the border situation in Ireland is resolved, and citizens rights have been suitably addressed.

Davis said we would ignore the EU's timetable and that we'd discuss trade parallel to discussing our exit, and he said it would be 'the row of the summer' if the EU didn't play ball. Davis lasted about one hour in the very first round of the negotiations before he caved and agreed to the EU's timetable. Only now it seems that Davis has decided to resurrect that old argument by trying to discuss trade, much to the exasperation of Barnier. The press conference the other day was embarrassing to watch. Barnier is clearly running out of patience with the fool Davis, and who could blame him?

The EU is simply protecting it's interests, as we always knew it would, and until 18 months ago, we were included in those interests. We've decided to walk away and we'll be the ones paying the price. The nonsense arguments that were peddled, that 'they need us more than we need them' and 'Germany will bend over backwards to do a deal with us' have unravelled at a rapid pace. Reality is now setting in.

It sounds like BennyD and others are getting their excuses in. When it all goes tits up, it will be the EU's fault for not bending over and giving us everything we want. They'll lash out at the EU, the BBC, remainers, foreigners, pretty much everyone but the people who actually duped them into voting for such stupidity.

[claretandy]

Some of the remoaners on here would be happy for us to pay 100 billion euros and have zero access to the single market just so they can say I told you so. In reality the EU ha's a hole in its budget that it needs to fill, it wants us to pay, we are asking them to justify the bill. When your waiter brings the bill it's OK to question it, it's up to them to justify it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Morning Ringo, hope the hangover isn't too bad.
If the pound is weaker than the Euro and you are buying players from Europe then of course the fees are going to increase. It would be the same case in that scenario with or without Brexit.
Now you've taken that article and claimed that it says all transfer fees have gone up because of it, including our own record fee, which he hadn't said. Although bizarrely you claim that nobody has told that lie only to them continue to bleat on about the same thing.
Which lead me to the conclusion that you were drunk. Others have claimed stupidity, I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

Firstly, as a fellow claret, can I offer you some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. If you're having a discussion with some body who has a different opinion to you, please don't try a belittle them by accusing them of being drunk. It doesn't make their opinion any less valid and only makes you look silly.

Right on to what I said, and you misunderstood and decided to try and make capital out of. And looking at what you've said this morning still misunderstand.

Yesterday Talksport and Radio 6 were including in their news bulletins that farron was blaming brexit transfer fees going thru the roof. I googled it to see more. The Belfast telegraph came up.

I then posted the link and said how desparate he sounded as he ignored all the other reasons that transfers had rocketed and tried to pin it on Brexit.

Now given that I think he's wrong, why and where did I say OUR record fee had gone up cos of brexit. I DIDN'T.

This is what I said-

So all the Remoaners, like sheep, swallow the lie that we, and many other premier league teams, have broken our transfer fee record cos of brexit!?

Nothing at all to do with the game being awash with cash, and selling clubs knowing that, simply raise their asking price!!!

For example - We paid £15 million for Wood from Leeds. Now given leeds is a city located in mainland Yorkshire how did sterling's value have any effect at all!?

I was using Wood's fee to disprove what he was saying. Farron was spinning the lie that clubs like ours were paying over the odds cos of brexit. I was saying we were breaking records cos of tv deal money, "the new going rate", the fact that we'd sold Keane and grey and clubs knew we had the cash.

Farron ignores entirely, the fact that PSG buying Neymar and Barcelona wanting Couthino and Liverpool wanting van Dyke and the domino effect that all the other transfer fees have on transfer (AND WAGES ) inflation.

I mean seriously, anybody other than a desperate Remoaner believes that, year after year transfer fees going through the roof can be blamed on Brexit.

Now if you cannot get your head round what I've said fair enough. But I didn't contradict myself. And lay off the drunk accusations matey. It only makes you sound as needy as Farron.

[nil_desperandum]

Now given that I think he's wrong, why and where did I say OUR record fee had gone up cos of brexit. I DIDN'T.
.

Well if you didn't say it, who did?
You can dissect the Farron article in as much depth as you want, but he doesn't even imply such a thing. It is quite clear that he is referring to English clubs who paid significantly more to European clubs, because of the low value of sterling. He even quotes the figures.

It's not even as though Farron was making something up. I'd already read it on online, and it was headlines in "The Sun" of all papers.
It's a non-story really. Anyone who's been abroad recently knows that they are paying between 10 and 20% more for everything due to the exchange rate, and of course we are starting to experience this at home as the cost of imported goods is pushing up inflation.
This effect is amplified when it comes to a transfer fee of £20 million. (i.e. it costs millions more).
On the other hand, you could argue that a wealthy football club, has plenty of money, and can choose whether or not, and how they spend it, whereas the real victims of the weak pound are hard-working families, and the less well-off, who have no option but to pay inflated prices for food, and may have to forego holidays abroad.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'm sorry Imploding Turtle but I disagree in the strongest way, workers rights have not been protected since 1984 during the miners strike!
The Falklands war of 1983 changed a lot of attitudes.

You can disagree all you liek but you'd be wrong. The EU protect workers' rights. If it didn't then this Tory wouldn't be looking forward to exploiting young workers upon leaving.

[BennyD]

It was always going to be difficult to leave. Anybody who paid the slightest bit of attention knew that. The only people who thought leaving would be a piece of cake were the disgraced former defence secretary Liam Fox, and anyone who was stupid enough to listen to him.

Barnier has a mandate from the representatives of 27 countries to negotiate on their behalf, and they have all agreed on a clear and concise negotiating position and timetable. There can be no talks about the future trading relationship between the UK and the EU until the 'divorce Bill' is settled, the border situation in Ireland is resolved, and citizens rights have been suitably addressed.

Davis said we would ignore the EU's timetable and that we'd discuss trade parallel to discussing our exit, and he said it would be 'the row of the summer' if the EU didn't play ball. Davis lasted about one hour in the very first round of the negotiations before he caved and agreed to the EU's timetable. Only now it seems that Davis has decided to resurrect that old argument by trying to discuss trade, much to the exasperation of Barnier. The press conference the other day was embarrassing to watch. Barnier is clearly running out of patience with the fool Davis, and who could blame him?

The EU is simply protecting it's interests, as we always knew it would, and until 18 months ago, we were included in those interests. We've decided to walk away and we'll be the ones paying the price. The nonsense arguments that were peddled, that 'they need us more than we need them' and 'Germany will bend over backwards to do a deal with us' have unravelled at a rapid pace. Reality is now setting in.

It sounds like BennyD and others are getting their excuses in. When it all goes tits up, it will be the EU's fault for not bending over and giving us everything we want. They'll lash out at the EU, the BBC, remainers, foreigners, pretty much everyone but the people who actually duped them into voting for such stupidity.

I'm not getting any excuses in. It's a bit like any divorce; why is it so expensive? Because it's worth every f*cking penny. Germany still wants an amicable parting because their car industry will suffer massively if we don't get one. That's one of the reasons the US was straight in offering a free-trade deal; they know all the fleet buyers will go back to Ford instead of Audi and BMW because the import duty will make them too expensive. Btw, for me, the sooner it happens the better, whatever the cost.

[nil_desperandum]

Some of the remoaners on here would be happy for us to pay 100 billion euros and have zero access to the single market just so they can say I told you so. .

I bet there isn't a single one. It's those who voted leave that have put us on this course.
It was always obvious, and has even been acknowledged by Davis, that we will have to pay our dues when we leave. Though an obvious point, it wasn't flagged up by either side in the run-up to the referendum. If we don't meet agreed obligations, then we are unlikely to get an agreement with anyone.
What the final figure will be is unclear at present, but it won't be anywhere near £100 million. That's about as realistic as claiming we owe nothing.

On your second point. Everyone who voted remain would obviously prefer to remain in the Single Market, and would like to achieve this at the smallest cost.
Basically we've voted to leave and therefore lose everything that we had - both bad and good. If we want to retain the good bits then it's up to the EU whether they allow us, and what it costs. This is why it's never been a normal negotiation. It's 27 against 1, and we don't even have a clear negotiating strategy or a shared vision of what we want to achieve.

[claretandy]

According to article 50, legally we owe nothing, this is why the bill and future trade is linked, we aren't going to agree to pay a penny until we know what we will get for it. Evan Niger farage said he would pay our subs upto the end of the current cycle if we get a free trade deal in return

[nil_desperandum]

. Btw, for me, the sooner it happens the better, whatever the cost.

That's a pretty wild and irresponsible statement.
How about you give us 3 tangible benefits that you think we will gain from walking out of the EU with no deal, and then quantify them against "whatever the cost"?
Does this include (e.g.) an increase in austerity bringing poverty for millions, increased tax, higher unemployment, isolation, a diminishing status on the world stage etc. etc..
And don't accuse me of scaremongering, it's you that said "whatever the cost". I'm just giving some examples that come under that description.

[Imploding Turtle]

According to article 50, legally we owe nothing, this is why the bill and future trade is linked, we aren't going to agree to pay a penny until we know what we will get for it. Evan Niger farage said he would pay our subs upto the end of the current cycle if we get a free trade deal in return

Show me where in Article 50 it states that we no longer have to honour contracts and agreements we already made.

Here, i'll help - http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ightenclaret]

Here's a video of Ringo arriving at a conclusion

I think that's actually me last year, but hilarious nonetheless.

[Imploding Turtle]

Imagine leaving a utility supplier and deciding not to pay your final bill because you're leaving. I wonder how many Brexiteers live life that way. I hope no one loans them money. "Hello Santander, i keep getting these letters telling me to send you money for my mortgate but i sold that house and moved out therefore i left and don't owe you any money. This is blackmail! Wait till Liam Fox hears of this!"

[claretandy]

Imagine leaving a utility supplier and deciding not to pay your final bill because you're leaving. I wonder how many Brexiteers live life that way. I hope no one loans them money. "Hello Santander, i keep getting these letters telling me to send you money for my mortgate but i sold that house and moved out therefore i left and don't owe you any money. This is blackmail! Wait till Liam Fox hears of this!"

It's not like that at all, we have abided by the terms, given our 2 year notice and are still paying until we leave, after that we aren't obliged to pay anything.

[claretandy]

Show me where in Article 50 it states that we no longer have to honour contracts and agreements we already made.

Here, i'll help - http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You show me where it says we have to pay, smartarse.

[Damo]

You can disagree all you liek but you'd be wrong. The EU protect workers' rights. If it didn't then this Tory wouldn't be looking forward to exploiting young workers upon leaving.

The EU protects the rights of young workers by making them unemployable.
Removing the 35 hour cap will massively help young people in this country, that want to get on in life