20,000 Germans..

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:Can't seem to find anything?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:08 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Tsar - another text to the beeb from an Arsenal fan in the ground

Currently inside the Emirates, thousands upon thousands of German fans everywhere around us. Horrible tense atmosphere, Tens of thousands of fans being made to feel very unsafe, including very young children.

This is what I am going on about it is a major f-up and the disruption created is not something you can simply say "tough" to

Are you at the game..? Are you a burnley fan in the arsenal end in somebody's seat..

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:18 pm

bfccrazy wrote:http://bfy.tw/DvzN

Great post.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:25 pm

Arsenal fans selling their seat are responsible for Germans in the Arsenal area. How many times have we got in the home end when all sold? Lots.

Germans in full voice. Even Rab Burns has had an airing!

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:28 pm

I've read several quotes on the BBC website where many Arsenal fans in different sections of the ground say there are Cologne fans everywhere.

Difficult for stewards to deny entry to the 'wrong' fans when Arsenal have such a diverse following themselves.
I have been in Club Emirates twice and a high proportion of fans are tourists or foreign guest of corporate ticket holders.

I don't understand the 2900 allocation to start with as you can get up to 7000ish in the Premier League. It doesn't look like they have the first 5 rows empty either like it used to be in the CL.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:30 pm

Quicknick wrote:Great post.

I'm looking forward to the arsenal v red star Belgrade game on the 2nd of November

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:31 pm

Superb Sanchez goal.
2-1 Gooners.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:32 pm

IanMcL wrote:Arsenal fans selling their seat are responsible for Germans in the Arsenal area. How many times have we got in the home end when all sold? Lots.

Germans in full voice. Even Rab Burns has had an airing!

They would sell their own mother!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:34 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Superb Sanchez goal.
2-1 Gooners.

Crack open the tear gas.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:36 pm

tim_noone wrote:They would sell their own mother!

They did...to buy their season ticket!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:37 pm

tim_noone wrote:I'm looking forward to the arsenal v red star Belgrade game on the 2nd of November

Red Star. A very restrained bunch.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:45 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Crack open the tear gas.

3-1 now BoT.
Any spare canisters?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:46 pm

3-1 Arsenal. Good goal but Walcott should do better.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:52 pm

Great support from the Germans at 3..1 down.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:11 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Don't make the same mistake as last time German fans headed over here ..... These lot ARE kicking off and WILL kick off.

4 arrests out of 20.000 what was the tally at ewood?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:12 am

tim_noone wrote:4 arrests out of 20.000 what was the tally at ewood?

What was the tally at the last Boca juniors derby game?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:14 am

bfccrazy wrote:What was the tally at the last Boca juniors derby game?

How longs a piece of string?

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:20 am

tim_noone wrote:How longs a piece of string?

I just thought we were comparing arrest stats from completely dif games?

Bit upset it seems not now tbh.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:29 am

4 arrests at a football game...I got the impression there was mass disorder,reading the hysterics on here.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:36 am

tim_noone wrote:4 arrests at a football game...I got the impression there was mass disorder,reading the hysterics on here.

Police got very lucky that Cologne were playing at Arsenal and no other London club (other than fulham), I doubt the cologne fans would have had it so easy anywhere else.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:37 am

Burnley Bolton fa cup 1988 ish held the record arrests that season in any comp. 40 odd I think. It was a great day

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:41 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Police got very lucky that Cologne were playing at Arsenal and no other London club (other than fulham), I doubt the cologne fans would have had it so easy anywhere else.

The Germans did in Burnley..

Edit- rightly so. Let them be the idiots.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:42 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Police got very lucky that Cologne were playing at Arsenal and no other London club (other than fulham), I doubt the cologne fans would have had it so easy anywhere else.

I like to think the met are very good in these situations..and professional with it.north of Watford police could learn a thing or two.the Hanover policing was pathetic.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:49 am

tim_noone wrote:I like to think the met are very good in these situations..and professional with it.north of Watford police could learn a thing or two.the Hanover policing was pathetic.

I think more numbers and considerably more money helps them at the Met.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:55 am

Saxoman wrote:The Germans did in Burnley..

Edit- rightly so. Let them be the idiots.

There were none in the home end, and that was quite obviously my point

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:59 am

More to do with a calm sensible approach regards crowd control.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:42 am

if that had happened at Chelsea or West Ham there were would have been trouble in every section of the stadium.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:33 am

Dyched wrote:Claretfieldclarets friends innit

Nope. Mates with some gladbach (kolns rivals) who are coming the everton game (with tickets

) and Red Star Belgrade.

I doubt koln will turn up like that there as they wont get the same warm welcome

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:39 am

Is London still standing? You'd have thought the barbarians were at the gates with some of the ill informed bed wetting hysteria in here yesterday .

First time in Europe for donkeys yrs playing one of the big clubs in London just means thousands make the journeyand match is a bonus . By en large they were rather well behaved . Could u imagine 20,000 rangers fans ? In fact I couldn't imagine less arrests and disorder from 20.000 fans from pretty much any club in Europe

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:53 am

TsarBomba wrote:JFW.

Nobody is being allowed in. There are Koln fans with tickets for the home ends, as well as some trying to get in without.

The sensible thing to do is to move them all in to the away end, as there are reports that Koln fans are fighting with stewards trying to get there anyway.

In one place, instead of being dotted around, the Police can contain and minimise disorder. Ejecting Koln fans, once inside, is not an option. The Police and stewards don't have the manpower.

What exactly are you failing to understand here?

I'm understanding that the Cologne fans with tickets in the home end know they shouldn't be there that's why they are trying to move to the away end.
Going forward it sets a precedent that away fans buying up home tickets will not be ejected from the ground but catered for, whichthen encourages it.
So Man Utd fans can buy tickets in the home ends and we'll have to kick the Burnley Fans out of the CFS if theres a lot of them.
In fact now you know it's happening so we may as well keep the home bit of the CFS empty for them.
Oh what the hell have the whole CFS
Oh wait even more came Ok we can Empty the Bob Lord
Oh hold on the grounds full theres no where to go Oh its pandemonium inside
Now in the confusion some fans who came without tickets have got in.
What didn't you get about Hillsborough

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am

like the pre-season friendly at Turf Moor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... match.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:32 am

I don't think there was this reaction when Burnley used to take over home ends or shift home supporters out there seats to get in.

Carlisle, York, Mansfield and Bradford just to name a few.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:13 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't think there was this reaction when Burnley used to take over home ends or shift home supporters out there seats to get in.

Carlisle, York, Mansfield and Bradford just to name a few.

Certainly York fans were aggrieved (and a little bemused) with a number not even getting into the ground - my university lecturer was still p-off about it several years later

The world has moved on a lot now in terms of expectations at games and the people who attend, as we all know Arsenal are not a cheap team to watch and many ticket holders are decidedly middle class and families - it appears that a lot of Arsenal fans decided to stay away from the game last night out of concern about what could happen. As has been mentioned elsewhere if this had been W Ham, Spurs (at White Hart Lane) or possibly even Chelsea it could have been carnage.

All Seater stadia are not designed for the premise of stands open to fans of both sides with pockets of fans here there and everywhere - on terraces it was much easier to separate and move factions - see Sheff Wednesday at the Turf

last night a single nasty incident between fans could have sparked something highly serious

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:21 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:I think more numbers and considerably more money helps them at the Met.

Agreed, but why give extra resources to the ones that can't do the easiest of tasks?
The brew maker at work is the last to receive any new equipment, and is last in the queue when or where money is to be spent is concerned.

Can you imagine the treatment we would receive if they had unlimited resources?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:21 am

There's nothing worse than fans running to stewards demanding another team's fan gets chucked out. Unless they're kicking off or acting like dicks, what's the problem? I've had Liverpool and City fans sat near me before on the Turf, it was quite interesting hearing their view on the game.

Anyway, after all the dire warnings and angst, beyond a scuffle with stewards as they went in, did the Cologne fans do much other than loudly support their team? A couple of hundred idiots from Hanover caused more bother than 20,000 of that lot did last night.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:48 am

Chester Perry wrote:Certainly York fans were aggrieved (and a little bemused) with a number not even getting into the ground - my university lecturer was still p-off about it several years later

The world has moved on a lot now in terms of expectations at games and the people who attend, as we all know Arsenal are not a cheap team to watch and many ticket holders are decidedly middle class and families - it appears that a lot of Arsenal fans decided to stay away from the game last night out of concern about what could happen. As has been mentioned elsewhere if this had been W Ham, Spurs (at White Hart Lane) or possibly even Chelsea it could have been carnage.

All Seater stadia are not designed for the premise of stands open to fans of both sides with pockets of fans here there and everywhere - on terraces it was much easier to separate and move factions - see Sheff Wednesday at the Turf

last night a single nasty incident between fans could have sparked something highly serious

Every time we discuss football fan problems it's always what could of happened. They could of had a knife of could of caused trouble. 4 arrested out of 20k is very good behaviour in my mind.
Football fans get a bad judging. A music festival with 60k attendees would have fights left right and centre.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:58 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Every time we discuss football fan problems it's always what could of happened. They could of had a knife of could of caused trouble. 4 arrested out of 20k is very good behaviour in my mind.
Football fans get a bad judging. A music festival with 60k attendees would have fights left right and centre.

Agreed... Don't make a drama out of a crisis.im not a police lover,but the met.are a different breed of copper,they've bigger fish to fry!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:44 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Every time we discuss football fan problems it's always what could of happened. They could of had a knife of could of caused trouble. 4 arrested out of 20k is very good behaviour in my mind.
Football fans get a bad judging. A music festival with 60k attendees would have fights left right and centre.

That is the job of the Safety Officers - it is what they are held accountable for and if it did they would have been slaughtered and somebody would have to dig very deep to pay - also the probability of charges relating to neglect of responsibility

for all we hear it on here the"it'll be reight" culture has no place in our current world - and for good reason

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:15 pm

Arsenal were warned that up to 10,000 may turn up so should have been prepared. In the old days of terracing they used to open another "pen" if more turned up than expected one I can remember is Forest away in little woods cup.
It got me thinking to next week when we play the "best supported" team in the world. They sold out their allocation, how prepared would we be if say 6000 turned up without tickets?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:24 pm

Chester Perry wrote:That is the job of the Safety Officers - it is what they are held accountable for and if it did they would have been slaughtered and somebody would have to dig very deep to pay - also the probability of charges relating to neglect of responsibility

for all we hear it on here the"it'll be reight" culture has no place in our current world - and for good reason

but what were you doing sat in the arsenal end?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:26 pm

tim_noone wrote:but what were you doing sat in the arsenal end?

He was quoting a tweet to the BBC in the post you initially asked him on. Read it again.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:29 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:He was quoting a tweet to the BBC in the post you initially asked him on. Read it again.

Thanks.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:55 pm

tim_noone wrote:but what were you doing sat in the arsenal end?

Only you thought that surely - didn't comment as it made absolutely no sense to me

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:57 pm

Nor me...

Brunlea · Post by **Brunlea** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:06 pm

There is a letter in the Guardian online that I read this morning ( whilst mending my open toed sandals and eating my muesli) from a Cologne supporter explaining the reasons why so many travelled and as a football fan I get it. The sight of them marching through London although impressive was not a patch on the Scots fans walking through Paris a few years ago. The authorities should have been better prepared full stop.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:17 pm

It's a pity that some of those 20000 weren't in the city centre of their own city last new years eve.

They may have been able to stop the rape, assault and sexual attacks of over 1000 German women by mainly recently arrived north African illegal immigrants.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 30476.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:13 pm

That has to be the most ridiculous analogy I've ever seen on here.