Klopp tells it like it is

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:21 pm

Same as Sean Dyche... Honest and doesn't sugar the pill !

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:52 pm

he was moaning though that they should have had a pen. shearer said we were excellent again and could have won it.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:04 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:he was moaning though that they should have had a pen

The commentary that I listened to suggested that it could well have been a Pen. I don't think many managers would not mention such a pivotal incident in a game

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:05 pm

Should have been a pen, objectively

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:05 pm

Commentary on the stream I was watching suggested it would have been harsh. Unfortunately it froze when the replay was actually showing.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:09 pm

DCWat wrote:Commentary on the stream I was watching suggested it would have been harsh. Unfortunately it froze when the replay was actually showing.

Was an odd one on my stream - one of the commentatora said "thats very soft for me and not a pen" followed by the other saying "well Burnley got away with one there possibly"

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:12 pm

Aye that's the one BFC. Irish bloke (who was that) suggested it would have been harsh.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Some people on here were asking, after their drubbing by City. Was it a good time to be playing Liverpool?

I reckon, if your a top 5 home team, it's not a good time to be playing Burnley.

ClaretFelix · Post by **ClaretFelix** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:29 pm

DCWat wrote:Aye that's the one BFC. Irish bloke (who was that) suggested it would have been harsh.

Ex rover Keith Andrews!
For me a risky challenge but he did seem to get the ball.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:54 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Was an odd one on my stream - one of the commentatora said "thats very soft for me and not a pen" followed by the other saying "well Burnley got away with one there possibly"

Same link. I have seen them given but would have been harsh.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:56 pm

Forget the pen how did Solanke manage to hit the bar from 1yd, from the cross?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:01 pm

He always looks like an angry welder

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:44 pm

Not a own for me - he got enough of the ball. Thought one looked a bit iffy up the other end in the first half though.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:57 pm

Not a pen for me.

Claret_Jules · Post by **Claret_Jules** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:05 pm

Nobody seems to want to mention the blatant shirt pull on Ben Mee for the first of his two headed chances. That was an absolute STONE WALL penalty.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:13 pm

Claret_Jules wrote:Nobody seems to want to mention the blatant shirt pull on Ben Mee for the first of his two headed chances. That was an absolute STONE WALL penalty.

I did at the time - just not on here

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:22 am

Should not have been a pen, objectively

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:31 am

I'd have been pished off with that decision were it Wood, for instance, being taken down by a 'Pool defender. For that reason it's a pen, IMO. Objectively a deserved point, like! Thought Cork was magnificent.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:52 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:he was moaning though that they should have had a pen. shearer said we were excellent again and could have won it.

Rightly so, they should've had a pen, doesn't take anything away from our incredible defensive display though.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:41 am

Claretto wrote:Should have been a pen, objectively

Can I genuinely ask which incident "should have been a pen"?

I watched on a stream and it's never the best quality.

I hope you're not referring to the moment Salah dived in the box. That was pretty disgraceful and very close to either him being booked or it being turned over to the diving panel. He managed to initiate some 'contact' which means it most likely won't be referred but people need to be aware of what constitutes a foul that can be awarded a penalty in the box:

It is tripping, kicking or attempting to kick or trip an opponent.

It is clear (and was clear on the day) that none of this happened. Salah threw himself to the ground and tried to tangle his legs in our defenders' legs to make it look as though he had been tripped. It was utterly transparent.

Of course, if you're referring to a different incident which I missed then none of the above is relevant.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:57 am

Rowls wrote:Can I genuinely ask which incident "should have been a pen"?

I watched on a stream and it's never the best quality.

I hope you're not referring to the moment Salah dived in the box. That was pretty disgraceful and very close to either him being booked or it being turned over to the diving panel. He managed to initiate some 'contact' which means it most likely won't be referred but people need to be aware of what constitutes a foul that can be awarded a penalty in the box:

It is tripping, kicking or attempting to kick or trip an opponent.

It is clear (and was clear on the day) that none of this happened. Salah threw himself to the ground and tried to tangle his legs in our defenders' legs to make it look as though he had been tripped. It was utterly transparent.

Of course, if you're referring to a different incident which I missed then none of the above is relevant.

Yes, I think this is the same incident. Having watched it back from several different angles, it still looks like a penalty. For what it's worth, the pundits seem to agree.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:02 am

To be clear, I'm talking about the one where ben dove in / went to ground near the byline, to Pope's left.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:14 am

What about the incident when Liverpool defender pulled Scottys arm back as he was going past and away from said defender middle of the park with nobody else near, clear foul and possible at least yellow card slowed Scotty up enough for others to get back and cpver, I think it was just before he scored for us.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:21 am

No doubt a penalty, Ben never touched the ball.

There was a previous dive though when Saleh dragged his left leg across Tarks? and went down like a bag of cement.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:29 am

Not a penalty for me. Their player was looking for it.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:32 am

Its a pen, but because the Liverpool player knocked the ball in the opposite direction that Mee was coming from, it looked like he got the ball.

Impossible to tell until it had been slowed down and on a replay.

Not complaining though!

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:39 am

Tha big issue for me was the refs decision to book pope for timewasting, on the instructions of the Liverpool fans.

Yes he was taking his time over a few goal kicks, but at no point did the ref have a word, and when he actually booked him, he wasn't really timewasting, he just reacted to the fans whistling.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:42 am

bobinho wrote:Tha big issue for me was the refs decision to book pope for timewasting, on the instructions of the Liverpool fans.

Yes he was taking his time over a few goal kicks, but at no point did the ref have a word, and when he actually booked him, he wasn't really timewasting, he just reacted to the fans whistling.

As I put in my ref's marks. It was quite obvious Pope was taking as long as possible. As you say though and I didn't notice a warning either. The ref was playing to the crowd. Marked down accordingly for that and the assistants were clearly affected. Let a few dodgy tackles, especially by Can slide. He should have already had a yellow by the time he actually did get booked.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:13 pm

Claretto wrote:Yes, I think this is the same incident. Having watched it back from several different angles, it still looks like a penalty. For what it's worth, the pundits seem to agree.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I cannot see how it could be given. Mee wins the ball and Salah is evidently throwing himself to the floor; not being tripped or kicked.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:14 pm

Rowls wrote:Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I cannot see how it could be given. Mee wins the ball and Salah is evidently throwing himself to the floor; not being tripped or kicked.

Rowls wrote:
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I cannot see how it could be given. Mee wins the ball and Salah is evidently throwing himself to the floor; not being tripped or kicked.

Fair enough. Mee doesn't actually touch the ball, however, if you see all the angles

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:24 pm

Mee doesn't win the ball. We got away with that one but the shirt pull on Mee was pretty blatant so it's balanced out.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:25 pm

I havent seen it repeatedly, not yet.

Without viewing it several times I would counter with this - A player doesn't have to get the ball to avoid giving a free kick away. He has to trip, kick or attempt to trip or kick the opposing player.

I'm clear in what I saw in my mind - it was Salah throwing himself to the floor.

Anyway, it's all just incidental now.

The important thing is - another hard earned away point for the Clarets!

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