Hannover hooligans at it again

[bfccrazy]

They have pictures of Hanover fans - clear ones - and also will have details of those who travelled over (passports etc).....

Yet, as many of us predicted and were laughed at weeks/months ago - nothing will happen bar Burnley fans being charged..... Another fine job from Lancs police. It's like punching someone that's robbing your house and asking for your cctv so they can charge you.

[MACCA]

I presume the people who tried to “assist” the police don’t identify Burnley hooligans as being fellow Clarets. I know I don’t.

Yes the 2 young lads barely out of education ( if they even are ) sporting football shirts are well known hooligans, and look like they were intent on causing trouble from the moment their alarm clock woke them in the morning...

Compare them to the beer drenched Germans, wearing gumsheilds, carrying weapons, trashing pubs, abusing locals, before trying to break the segregation and attacking police , stewards and Burnley fans with missiles.

Fans clearly there to enjoy the occasion of a international club friendly...
Dear me, some really will turn a blind eye, if it manages to tarnish Burnley fans reputation.

[Bordeauxclaret]

How’s it taken 3 months for them to work out they want to speak to these four people?

[UpTheBeehole]

The BBC are carrying an appeal for information from Lancashire Police

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-41930850

Burnley vs Hannover 96: Men wanted over trouble at Turf Moor

Police have released CCTV images of four men believed to have been involved in violence during a match between Burnley FC and German club Hannover 96.
Trouble broke out between both sets of fans 38 minutes into the friendly game at Turf Moor, in the David Fishwick stand, on 5 August.
About £9,000 in damage was caused and the game was abandoned at half-time.
Two men have already been arrested in connection with the investigation.
One, aged 21 and a German national, was released with no charge.
The second, aged 23 and from Burnley, was arrested on suspicion of violent disorder and released under investigation.
A 15-year-old boy and a 63-year-old man from Nelson and Barnoldswick voluntarily attended a police station and were also interviewed.
Det Con Anthony Atkins, of Lancashire Police, said: "We would like to speak to the four people in the CCTV images and would urge anybody who recognises them to get in touch as soon as possible.
"Similarly, we would urge the men themselves, if they see this appeal, to contact us."

[evensteadiereddie]

Two words should be enough...........

[ten bellies]

You have to wonder about the motives behind this. The police hours spent since the incident, investigating the actions of people who were being attacked, whilst at the time they did not do their jobs, allowing people who had clearly broken the law to walk free. This is one screwed up world.

[TsarBomba]

Some of you may or may not know, but I'm a copper. Not in Lancs Police I hasten to add, but another force. So here's my two penneth. For what's it worth.

When it comes to Policing any public order incident, the priority is to ensure public safety, before looking at taking retrospective action against suspects at a later date.

I can appreciate there being frustrations when no visible arrests are made, but to do so weakens the presence of Police on the streets, when numbers are already limited.

The response on the day was correct and understandable. With limited resources, the game was rightly abandoned, and the Hannover fans kept in the ground before being corralled to the train station once Burnley fans had long left.

I can see the logic behind asking fans for any footage of the disorder, as it is an avenue of identifying as many suspects as possible, which should only be viewed as a good thing.

Quite rightly though, questions should now be asked of both Lancs Police, and partly the club (who don't come out of this smelling of roses either).

The Policing operation in place wasn't good enough. Not by a long shot. I have sympathies with the officers that were there at the time, as they were pretty much ****** from the get go. The intelligence gap from Lancs Police was significant, in terms of who was travelling over from Hannover, and the number of potential hooligans in attendance.

There could and should be spotters at Manchester Airport looking at those coming in, and officers in town on the day of the game gauging the mood and numbers congregating. This information and picture is continuously evolving and developing, and should be fed back to the Match day Commander who would assess the ongoing Policing plan in place.

Any average football fan could probably tell you that Hannover 96 can be a little tasty, so it's inexcusable that Lancs Police didn't have enough numbers out on the street to combat any potential issues.

What liaison have Lancs Police had with the German authorities and Hannover 96 before and after the game is unclear, but I find it astounding that after 3-4 months, only one German has been identified, arrested and released. This just isn't good enough, and quite rightly people lose faith.

The vast majority on here probably have no contact with Police, apart from on matchdays. 99.99% of police officers are excellent, and bust their balls on a daily basis to keep on top of rising crime amid continuos cuts. However, let it be said that the way we Police football matches across the U.K. is utter crap. So much so that that I've stopped going to Burnley/Blackburn games, because I completely disagree with the draconian measures put in place.

[ClaretDiver]

I find it stunning that with today's modern IT we cant get a better picture of people than what they have shared, asking for us to identify them is like trying to find a penis on a clip of Japanese porn (or comedy for that matter )

I also find it unbelievable that we have so many Police candidates on this board that seem the job to be 'easy' I look forward to seeing you on he beat soon...

CD

[2 Bee Holed]

Had this match been In Germany, and a few score Burnley fans needed to be arrested/detained for questioning,
can I ask the following questions?
1/ When kept behind in the ground, would not some have been spotted and detained then?
2/. On the route to the train station, would some more not have been detained then?
3/. At the airport, would some more not have been detained then?
In short, would every single man jack have got out of Germany?

[Quickenthetempo]

The match commander wants to resign from his post.

The police had loads of intelligence of the 'Risk' supporters coming over and even the pre arranged trouble on (was it the 39th minute)?

[Grimsby Claret]

Hannover fans display violence and threatening behaviour at Turf Moor, The Police are taking action at last but it seems to be against the Burnley fans according to the Burnley Express ? puzzling ??

[Stayingup]

Hannover fans display violence and threatening behaviour at Turf Moor, The Police are taking action at last but it seems to be against the Burnley fans according to the Burnley Express ? puzzling ??

Its what the police do nowadays it seems. Easiest targets

[Quickenthetempo]

I also find it unbelievable that we have so many Police candidates on this board that seem the job to be 'easy' I look forward to seeing you on he beat soon...

CD

The anger is against the men in charge of the police operations, not the guys who were very good on the day (despite being outnumbered).

Anyone who attended the game especially the ones in the CF stand would be astounded that more Burnley fans than Hannover have been arrested with more on the wanted list.

[MACCA]

Some of you may or may not know, but I'm a copper. Not in Lancs Police I hasten to add, but another force. So here's my two penneth. For what's it worth.

When it comes to Policing any public order incident, the priority is to ensure public safety, before looking at taking retrospective action against suspects at a later date.

I can appreciate there being frustrations when no visible arrests are made, but to do so weakens the presence of Police on the streets, when numbers are already limited.

The response on the day was correct and understandable. With limited resources, the game was rightly abandoned, and the Hannover fans kept in the ground before being corralled to the train station once Burnley fans had long left.

I can see the logic behind asking fans for any footage of the disorder, as it is an avenue of identifying as many suspects as possible, which should only be viewed as a good thing.

Quite rightly though, questions should now be asked of both Lancs Police, and partly the club (who don't come out of this smelling of roses either).

The Policing operation in place wasn't good enough. Not by a long shot. I have sympathies with the officers that were there at the time, as they were pretty much ****** from the get go. The intelligence gap from Lancs Police was significant, in terms of who was travelling over from Hannover, and the number of potential hooligans in attendance.

There could and should be spotters at Manchester Airport looking at those coming in, and officers in town on the day of the game gauging the mood and numbers congregating. This information and picture is continuously evolving and developing, and should be fed back to the Match day Commander who would assess the ongoing Policing plan in place.

Any average football fan could probably tell you that Hannover 96 can be a little tasty, so it's inexcusable that Lancs Police didn't have enough numbers out on the street to combat any potential issues.

What liaison have Lancs Police had with the German authorities and Hannover 96 before and after the game is unclear, but I find it astounding that after 3-4 months, only one German has been identified, arrested and released. This just isn't good enough, and quite rightly people lose faith.

The vast majority on here probably have no contact with Police, apart from on matchdays. 99.99% of police officers are excellent, and bust their balls on a daily basis to keep on top of rising crime amid continuos cuts. However, let it be said that the way we Police football matches across the U.K. is utter crap. So much so that that I've stopped going to Burnley/Blackburn games, because I completely disagree with the draconian measures put in place.

Good post, very insightful. Nice to see a different angle.

[MACCA]

Had this match been In Germany, and a few score Burnley fans needed to be arrested/detained for questioning,
can I ask the following questions?
1/ When kept behind in the ground, would not some have been spotted and detained then?
2/. On the route to the train station, would some more not have been detained then?
3/. At the airport, would some more not have been detained then?
In short, would every single man jack have got out of Germany?

Their approach would be baton/arrest first ask questions later.
Failing that, the police over here would like nothing more than knocking down doors at 05:00 to catch the culprits, if they received requests/photos

[Rick_Muller]

I also find it unbelievable that we have so many Police candidates on this board that seem the job to be 'easy' I look forward to seeing you on he beat soon...

CD

ClaretDiver - I don’t see any criticism of the police in my post - as an IT chap myself, who knows a little about video tech, I’m merely surprised that the quality of the images isn’t great and they should be publishing better images. Those images posted could be any number of people and they appear a little vague - perhaps that’s intentional to get a wider number of suggestions from the public..?

[jrgbfc]

You can guarantee the 4 Burnley lads will be charged and issued with bans. Lancashire Constabulary have to somehow try and save a bit of face and unfortunately those lads will be the fall guys.

[k90bfc]

Lessons learnt here,Dont Ever Again,organize FRIENDLYS,against any team of this ilk,or similar,we dont need the trouble or hassle,disrupting our FANS,AND GREAT CLUB,We are bigger than them,Is Our Little Town,and Mighty Proud Of It!

[ŽižkovClaret]

Their approach would be baton/arrest first ask questions later.
Failing that, the police over here would like nothing more than knocking down doors at 05:00 to catch the culprits, if they received requests/photos

Aye, the German police approach would have been to beat the **** out of any ultra types and snuff out the trouble. They couldnt believe their luck at the Lancs police softly softly approach

[ŽižkovClaret]

Lessons learnt here,Dont Ever Again,organize FRIENDLYS,against any team of this ilk,or similar,we dont need the trouble or hassle,disrupting our FANS,AND GREAT CLUB,We are bigger than them,Is Our Little Town,and Mighty Proud Of It!

Hopefully it doesn't rule out all foreign friendlies. Sparta Rotterdam fans were excellent for example and i'd like to see them at the turf again

[KRBFC]

Why would anyone assist the police anyway

[MACCA]

Hopefully it doesn't rule out all foreign friendlies. Sparta Rotterdam fans were excellent for example and i'd like to see them at the turf again

As were Hellas Verona.

So as almost always, it's the small minority ruining it for the rest.
I'd have loved to watch us play across europe against various teams from various countries.
Suppose I'm going to have to wait now for next year European tour

[Braindead]

So it's basically as a few of us predicted three months ago....send us in your footage and whaddaya know this same footage is used to identify Burnley fans not the actual people who CAUSED the trouble in the first place.
No signs of any Germans being arrested, just Clarets.

Lancashire police should hang their heads in shame.

[Pimlico_Claret]

**** poor response from lancashire police,we all know they haven't got the resources to police a youth club disco, so say so, speak up about it but don't go for the easiest targets, you will lose the little public support you've got left.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Not only were burnley fans not to blame, but our so called depleted and understaffed police force have spent hours scouring footage handed in by burnley fans to arrest burnley fans!

Short staffed my arse.

If they didnt waste so much time doing **** like that to get a conviction of any sort to boost stats then they wouldnt be so understaffed.

Facts are this board knew weeks before the game there would be trouble
They were so ill equipped they didnt know or didnt want to know
They had the oppprtunity to prevent it
They had the opportunity to round up the offenders and arrest them at the time

They missed three key opportunities to manage the situation.
They failed.
They want to blame someone.
They want to secure bans whoever it is.
They want to hit arrest and conviction targets.

We said there woukd be trouble. We were right.
We said they would leave the country scott free and get away with it. We were right.
We said they would try and blame burnley fans. We were right.
We said they would arrest burnley fans. We were right.
We said nothing will happen to the protagonists. We will be right.

Meanwhile burnley fans will get 2 years inside for violent disorder and lose their livlihood and be banned for 6 plus years. (Meanwhile ******* fan runs on pitch assaults player and steward and gets a slapped wrist ).

Cant wait to read how it was a huge operation and a great success and dangerous fans including a 63 year old and 14 year old have been put behind bars.

Pathetic.

[bfccrazy]

Not only were burnley fans not to blame, but our so called depleted and understaffed police force have spent hours scouring footage handed in by burnley fans to arrest burnley fans!

Short staffed my arse.

If they didnt waste so much time doing **** like that to get a conviction of any sort to boost stats then they wouldnt be so understaffed.

Facts are this board knew weeks before the game there would be trouble
They were so ill equipped they didnt know or didnt want to know
They had the oppprtunity to prevent it
They had the opportunity to round up the offenders and arrest them at the time

They missed three key opportunities to manage the situation.
They failed.
They want to blame someone.
They want to secure bans whoever it is.
They want to hit arrest and conviction targets.

We said there woukd be trouble. We were right.
We said they would leave the country scott free and get away with it. We were right.
We said they would try and blame burnley fans. We were right.
We said they would arrest burnley fans. We were right.
We said nothing will happen to the protagonists. We will be right.

Meanwhile burnley fans will get 2 years inside for violent disorder and lose their livlihood and be banned for 6 plus years. (Meanwhile ******* fan runs on pitch assaults player and steward and gets a slapped wrist ).

Cant wait to read how it was a huge operation and a great success and dangerous fans including a 63 year old and 14 year old have been put behind bars.

Pathetic.

He's 64.

[chipbutty]

How many pre season friendlies have there been at Turf Moor?

Over a hundred, minimum?

How many have had trouble? One??

So, Over a hundred friendlies involving BFC and other clubs = No Trouble

1 Friendly in 2017 V Hannover (Ultras Having Issues with owners = Loadsatrouble)

[ten bellies]

Some of you may or may not know, but I'm a copper. Not in Lancs Police I hasten to add, but another force. So here's my two penneth. For what's it worth.

When it comes to Policing any public order incident, the priority is to ensure public safety, before looking at taking retrospective action against suspects at a later date.

I can appreciate there being frustrations when no visible arrests are made, but to do so weakens the presence of Police on the streets, when numbers are already limited.

The response on the day was correct and understandable. With limited resources, the game was rightly abandoned, and the Hannover fans kept in the ground before being corralled to the train station once Burnley fans had long left.

I can see the logic behind asking fans for any footage of the disorder, as it is an avenue of identifying as many suspects as possible, which should only be viewed as a good thing.

Quite rightly though, questions should now be asked of both Lancs Police, and partly the club (who don't come out of this smelling of roses either).

The Policing operation in place wasn't good enough. Not by a long shot. I have sympathies with the officers that were there at the time, as they were pretty much ****** from the get go. The intelligence gap from Lancs Police was significant, in terms of who was travelling over from Hannover, and the number of potential hooligans in attendance.

There could and should be spotters at Manchester Airport looking at those coming in, and officers in town on the day of the game gauging the mood and numbers congregating. This information and picture is continuously evolving and developing, and should be fed back to the Match day Commander who would assess the ongoing Policing plan in place.

Any average football fan could probably tell you that Hannover 96 can be a little tasty, so it's inexcusable that Lancs Police didn't have enough numbers out on the street to combat any potential issues.

What liaison have Lancs Police had with the German authorities and Hannover 96 before and after the game is unclear, but I find it astounding that after 3-4 months, only one German has been identified, arrested and released. This just isn't good enough, and quite rightly people lose faith.

The vast majority on here probably have no contact with Police, apart from on matchdays. 99.99% of police officers are excellent, and bust their balls on a daily basis to keep on top of rising crime amid continuos cuts. However, let it be said that the way we Police football matches across the U.K. is utter crap. So much so that that I've stopped going to Burnley/Blackburn games, because I completely disagree with the draconian measures put in place.

Unfortunately with a leadership not fit for purpose, those police on the ground are going to look impotent, which is exactly what they were on the day. God help us if our armed forces, in the face of the enemy, react in the way the police did that day. The laughable cavalry charge of police vehicles I witnessed coming down the down the M65 after the event, accompanied by the GMP helicopter, reinforces the notion senior officers really don't know what they are doing.
Now to compound things, they're pursuing those that were attacked. Is it any wonder that faith in our police force is on the decline.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Not only were burnley fans not to blame, but our so called depleted and understaffed police force have spent hours scouring footage handed in by burnley fans to arrest burnley fans!

Short staffed my arse.

If they didnt waste so much time doing **** like that to get a conviction of any sort to boost stats then they wouldnt be so understaffed.

Facts are this board knew weeks before the game there would be trouble
They were so ill equipped they didnt know or didnt want to know
They had the oppprtunity to prevent it
They had the opportunity to round up the offenders and arrest them at the time

They missed three key opportunities to manage the situation.
They failed.
They want to blame someone.
They want to secure bans whoever it is.
They want to hit arrest and conviction targets.

We said there woukd be trouble. We were right.
We said they would leave the country scott free and get away with it. We were right.
We said they would try and blame burnley fans. We were right.
We said they would arrest burnley fans. We were right.
We said nothing will happen to the protagonists. We will be right.

Meanwhile burnley fans will get 2 years inside for violent disorder and lose their livlihood and be banned for 6 plus years. (Meanwhile ******* fan runs on pitch assaults player and steward and gets a slapped wrist ).

Cant wait to read how it was a huge operation and a great success and dangerous fans including a 63 year old and 14 year old have been put behind bars.

Pathetic.

Bang on this.

The police in this country are absolutely ****. Especially so in Lancas Constab.

[2 Bee Holed]

So the moral of the story is;
When the stewards are being overpowered and your own police force cannot stop you being attacked,
don't try and defend yourself, your family or assist the stewards.
It seems you have two choices, just put your arms by your side and take it or run.
But don't run on the field, that's an offence!

[tim_noone]

He's 64.

Nowt to do with me guv!!!