What will be the next development at the Turf ?

[Siddo]

I see.

I'd up it to 12m then so there's room to go over budget should materials increase.

Could also buy the builders breakfast butties everyday to keep moral up and get the job done quicker.

You really need to stay out of debates like this. You are all over the place with your constantly changing proposals.

[MACCA]

What’s that got to do with the value of land?

Nothing.

But when 1 party doesn't want to sell. The land is not just a cricket pitch and if they did sell they would need to buy a new home, and build the best facilities possible with also compensation for the trouble and loss if history etc. It will be far more than the couple of quid people think it'd take to shift them.

Also please ignore the posts where I say 10m might a bit extreme as I just plucked a figure out.

But if it was 10m, it wouldn't even effect us too much as a club in the grand scheme of things.

I think it's pivotal to do it as early as possible, it will give us a big site and could generate future income if we ever did fall back on hard times.
Fix the roof when the sun is shining, especially if you've been got a big fat wod of cash... 50m profits wasn't it?

Let's get taxed on 40m instead of 50m, makes more sense.

[MACCA]

You really need to stay out of debates like this. You are all over the place with your constantly changing proposals.

Well the could offer lunch too, but that's harder work. 10 o'clock brew time 100 bacon butties, 10 veggie options, 50 teas, 50 coffees and 10 waters we could be playing in a totally revamped stadium come August.

Would fit well with the new disabled facilities.

And what better than in the same year we win the world cup.

Exciting times for every Burnley

Edit - we must make sure local people build the new things, keeping the money in our town is essential. We are Burnley and we care about the community!

[Rileybobs]

Let's get taxed on 40m instead of 50m, makes more sense.

I don't think it works like that.

[Top Claret]

The development of the Bob Lord stand must be the next big project on the cards. The stand is to small and could be re-built to hold 7000 and could included hospitality for 1500 or more, of which would increase the clubs revenue streams.

The re-location and purchase of the cricket club would be in the best interest of the town and BFC. The CC location at this moment is perfect, the cricket clubs main income streams must be in the winter when the clarets are at home. The CC would take some shifting and the only way they would go ,if ever, is if. BFC offered then a serious large wedge of cash and then they still might not go

[MACCA]

You're probably right.
Theres probably a totally different tax bracket from posting 40m to 50m profits. I only know small business tax brackets, but leave it up to the accountant.

Maybe someone could shed some light on the tax amount you'd pay on 40m profit and then again on 50m.

[Rileybobs]

You're probably right.
Theres probably a totally different tax bracket from posting 40m to 50m profits. I only know small business tax brackets, but leave it up to the accountant.

Maybe someone could shed some light on the tax amount you'd pay on 40m profit and then again on 50m.

You'd pay tax on the land acquisition and construction work for starters.

[MACCA]

The re-location and purchase of the cricket club would be in the best interest of the town and BFC. The CC location at this moment is perfect, the cricket clubs main income streams must be in the winter when the clarets are at home. The CC would take some shifting and the only way they would go ,if ever, is if. BFC offered then a serious large wedge of cash and then they still might not go

Throw us a figure what could be described as "large wedge"

Then a figure that they can't possibly turn down

I think you may be onto something here, i think you may live in the real world.

[MACCA]

You'd pay tax on the land acquisition and construction work for starters.

You're right. Poor idea.

Easiest way is to buy it for 600k, and kick them up to belverdere Rugby pitch, there's a wicket and facilities they could use for nowt up there.

[Claretforever]

Why are we discussing relocating the Cricket Club? We could rebuilt the Cricket Field Stand on a steeper gradient, slightly overhanging where it finishes now if needs be (we would have to pay rent for the overhang back to the Cricket Club if it’s not our land). We could then have turnstiles where they are now, but to comply with exit and entrance rules for new builds we have walkways going from the back centre of the stand, raised up off the ground (like Sheffield United), to the sides of the stand.

Hopefully we end up with a 5,000 seater/rail seated stand with better facilities. Definitely NOT two tiered, and NO exec boxes.

The main point for me is the Bob Lord Stand. It looks terrible right now, and is way past it’s best. If it’s possible, and it would take an civil engineer and architect to check it, but I’d build a higher cantilever roof, going further back so it extends right to Harry Potts Way rather than shptopping short like now. It could be held by beams from the side and around the top, a bit like Blackburn for their stands, and possibly add another 2,000 seats, or more exec areas at the back. Works could be carried out whilst the current stand is still open. The outside of the stand where the Burnley Football Club sign is looks terrible right now, and as our main stand it should be an absolute priority. It’s what people see for the first time when they approach the ground.

[MarkGreen]

Although MACCA's "controversial" figures are a little bit far fetched, it's hard to disagree with him.

Put yourself in the shoes of the people who ultimately make the decision whether or not Burnley CC is to be sold.

To do this, I think you need to forget its a small cricket club in Burnley and think of it as a business

•You know the land you own is extremely valuable to the potential buyer
•You know the buyer is rich and getting richer
•You have no reason to sell
•You are in no rush

You are essentially sitting on a gold mine.

As the football club's profits and turnover are public knowledge, why would you accept £2m when you know that an extremely ambitions sale price of say £10m wouldn't leave the buyer scraping the barrel.

I myself do think £10m would be scandalous, especially given the cost of the Barnfeild Training ground. But from a sellers point of view, it is a case of 'how valuable is our land to the football club'.

[Quickenthetempo]

You're right. Poor idea.

Easiest way is to buy it for 600k, and kick them up to belverdere Rugby pitch, there's a wicket and facilities they could use for nowt up there.

The original plan was for them to move into Towneley park, I think were the school was knocked down.

The only reason they would think it's worth moving is if the football club decided they had to move to a new ground if the CC didn't.

[ArmchairDetective]

I’d like to see the cricket club keep their current location after any future redevelopment. It provides character and is a unique feature of the stadium.

[Claretforever]

I’d like to see the cricket club keep their current location after any future redevelopment. It provides character and is a unique feature of the stadium.

In years gone by it wasn’t unique at all. Sheffield United and Northampton were so joined with their cricket clubs that they only had 3 sided grounds. At Darlington the entrances was basically through the Cricket Club, and Bradford FC (the Park Avenue Club) had a great ground right next to their cricket club. I’m sure there are many others than have disappeared.

[Inchy]

Some of the comments on here about the cricket club are disrespectful at best.

As a club I’ve no doubt it brings a great deal of joy to a lot of people, young and old.

They aren’t obliged to move. It’s their land.

I’m sure a deal could be done but I’m certain they’ll not roll over and have their bellies tickled and nor should they.

Disrespectful at best? How so? All people are suggesting is the club give the CC a load of cash to relocate. 1 poster has suggested forcing a move.

Hardly disrespectful.

The CC uses the club as a crutch. How well does the CC accommodate the football club considering it basically gives it an income?


IMO If the club wont move then we should try and get them to redesign the cricket pitch. Move it closer to the road. Have the wall as the boundary. That might give enough space for some type of redevelopment

[UpTheBeehole]

If you took the football revenue away from the cricket club then I think it would fold, they would be mad to move.

About time they started working to the same budgets as all the other clubs in the league

[JTClaret]

I still like the idea of Burnley FC and Burnley CC joining forces. Keeping the cricket club where it is and building a stand that suits both at the same time. I'm not sure if it sounds far-fetched or would even be possible. But it would scream town sport and in my eyes that would be pretty cool.

[Sleeping Cat]

The view over the Bob Lord from the JH Upper gives a real connection to the town and the heritage of the club. This view should be protected. The Bob Lord should be updated, but never raised in height.

Similarly, The adjoining cricket field, which played a part int he history and birth of the club, should not be bought or redeveloped. At best it would become a soulless car park used only for match days. Much more character and enjoyment to be had as a cricket club. I would actually go further to increase the bond between the football club & cricket club, to increase the potential to mutually benefit from being neighbours.

If safe standing is approved, CFS should be redeveloped accordingly & I would also make the James Hargreaves Lower & Jimmy Mac Lower stands Safe Standing also.

The recent announcement of developing the disabled facilities is excellent news.

[Sleeping Cat]

I still like the idea of Burnley FC and Burnley CC joining forces. Keeping the cricket club where it is and building a stand that suits both at the same time. I'm not sure if it sounds far-fetched or would even be possible. But it would scream town sport and in my eyes that would be pretty cool.

At Headingly the cricket stand & Rugby League stand are back to back, accessible from one to the other via doors at the top and share concourse facilities and changing rooms. Something would be possible.

[ClaretTony]

At Headingly the cricket stand & Rugby League stand are back to back, accessible from one to the other via doors at the top and share concourse facilities and changing rooms. Something would be possible.

I can't imagine a Lancashire League club requiring a stand to be honest

[ClaretEngineer]

The view over the Bob Lord from the JH Upper gives a real connection to the town and the heritage of the club. This view should be protected. The Bob Lord should be updated, but never raised in height.

Similarly, The adjoining cricket field, which played a part int he history and birth of the club, should not be bought or redeveloped. At best it would become a soulless car park used only for match days. Much more character and enjoyment to be had as a cricket club. I would actually go further to increase the bond between the football club & cricket club, to increase the potential to mutually benefit from being neighbours.

If safe standing is approved, CFS should be redeveloped accordingly & I would also make the James Hargreaves Lower & Jimmy Mac Lower stands Safe Standing also.

The recent announcement of developing the disabled facilities is excellent news.

Gray's offside i see

Its a great view, and any engineer and architectural firm worth there salt should relish the job of re configuring the Bob Lord whilst keeping its old world charm.

[Top Claret]

I sit in the Bob Lord and it is far from a great view. My vision is blocked by the girders that obstruct my view. The stand needs dropping and a modern construction needs building, that is fit for the modern day premier league fan and football club.

The Bob Lord stand looks like something from toy town as is only fit for 4th tier football at best

[If it be your will]

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[RocketLawnChair]

I know the people who run Burnley CC and like our Chairman and Board they are successful business people in they're own right. They will negotiate an hard bargain if it ever came to it. And some on here are dismissing the cricket club as some sort of Saturday afternoon knock about in the summer. The cricket club is a very serious business off the cricket field and on the field they have produced one of Englands greatest ever players.

They make money from car parking not from the football club. Its called opportunism and using your location and land. Its nothing to do with the football club. Are the football club going to cover the Cricket Clubs drop in revenue should we be relegated, are we ******** and nor should we.

The better we do and the more cash we make the more some on here begin to sound like we have some sort of divine right, A bit like ******* rovers supporters used to sound like.

[Spike]

if we can use the disabled sections to meet our anti-racist and LGBT obligations as well then everyone should be happy

[Inchy]

Amateur Cricket is a Saturday afternoon knock about.

[claretandy]

The view over the Bob Lord from the JH Upper gives a real connection to the town and the heritage of the club. This view should be protected. The Bob Lord should be updated, but never raised in height.

Similarly, The adjoining cricket field, which played a part int he history and birth of the club, should not be bought or redeveloped. At best it would become a soulless car park used only for match days. Much more character and enjoyment to be had as a cricket club. I would actually go further to increase the bond between the football club & cricket club, to increase the potential to mutually benefit from being neighbours.

If safe standing is approved, CFS should be redeveloped accordingly & I would also make the James Hargreaves Lower & Jimmy Mac Lower stands Safe Standing also.

The recent announcement of developing the disabled facilities is excellent news.

Extending the bob lord wouldn't block off the entire view just the terraced houses at the bottom.

[Siddo]

My old school teacher said that fielding at cricket was organised loafing.

[UpTheBeehole]

The view over the Bob Lord from the JH Upper gives a real connection to the town and the heritage of the club. This view should be protected. The Bob Lord should be updated, but never raised in height.

Similarly, The adjoining cricket field, which played a part int he history and birth of the club, should not be bought or redeveloped. At best it would become a soulless car park used only for match days. Much more character and enjoyment to be had as a cricket club. I would actually go further to increase the bond between the football club & cricket club, to increase the potential to mutually benefit from being neighbours.

If safe standing is approved, CFS should be redeveloped accordingly & I would also make the James Hargreaves Lower & Jimmy Mac Lower stands Safe Standing also.

The recent announcement of developing the disabled facilities is excellent news.

There's no guarantee that the Burnley Wood slums will be there forever. Indeed vast swathes of the houses there have been cleared already.

Keeping a useless tiny stand just so a few thousand people can look at some slate roofs at half time is not a good enough reason to hinder the development of the club and their ground.

[bfcwest]

Bob Lord needs extending backwards with a new roof built over the top. Gets rid of the pillars and increases capacity of the decent seats that are in demand (dry, with a view, side on and central). It would also help balance up the lob sided nature of the ground and improve atmosphere. At the same time the outside of the ground would be improved with a better "entrance" area to Turf Moor.

Also, this doesn't need to ruin the wonderful view from the Longside upper, it will only nibble a few inches away from the view if done sensitively.

[claretandy]

View from the JH upper would look something like this if the Bob Lord was extended.

[Down_Rover]

Can we have a tapas bar and a cappuchino lounge for the fans that get bored when we aren't winning?

[randomclaret2]

Meal deal...some olives, a bit of salami, and a milky brew £4.50

[UpTheBeehole]

View from the JH upper would look something like this if the Bob Lord was extended.

That looks better, you can't see the crack dens and knocking shops

[Stayingup]

Whatever is built or added to, the maximum atmosphere should be a high priority. As it stands (hehe) the CFS is the best for the acoustics.

[50 shades of Grey]

As mentioned previously, the height of the Bob Lord cannot be raised due to its close proximity to the houses opposite on Anne Close.

[50 shades of Grey]

UpTheBeehole

There's no guarantee that the Burnley Wood slums will be there forever. Indeed vast swathes of the houses there have been cleared already.

Keeping a useless tiny stand just so a few thousand people can look at some slate roofs at half time is not a good enough reason to hinder the development of the club and their ground.'

Knob.

[claretandy]

As mentioned previously, the height of the Bob Lord cannot be raised due to its close proximity to the houses opposite on Anne Close.

says who ?

[bfcwest]

Anne, she's too close.

[Rick_Muller]

You don’t want to raise the bob lord stand too high as it needs to allow sunlight across the top for the playing surface. I do agree though that the modern pitch with the respective treatments etc have less of a requirement of actual sunlight, but we have to keep it low for if/when we’re not in the top flight and the groundskeeping budget is cut.

[Clarinetclaret]

The view over the Bob Lord from the JH Upper gives a real connection to the town and the heritage of the club. This view should be protected. The Bob Lord should be updated, but never raised in height.

Similarly, The adjoining cricket field, which played a part int he history and birth of the club, should not be bought or redeveloped. At best it would become a soulless car park used only for match days. Much more character and enjoyment to be had as a cricket club. I would actually go further to increase the bond between the football club & cricket club, to increase the potential to mutually benefit from being neighbours.

If safe standing is approved, CFS should be redeveloped accordingly & I would also make the James Hargreaves Lower & Jimmy Mac Lower stands Safe Standing also.

The recent announcement of developing the disabled facilities is excellent news.

I go to the Turf to watch football not to look over the stand at the hills in the background, no matter how nice they are. Noone needs to go the football to see these views as we can see them from all around Burnley if you get off your arse. I've never heard such crap.

[randomclaret2]

That view has only been there as it were since 1996. Stood on the Longside we were pretty much forced to watch the football.

[50 shades of Grey]

50 shades of Grey wrote:
As mentioned previously, the height of the Bob Lord cannot be raised due to its close proximity to the houses opposite on Anne Close.

Claretandy wrote:
says who ?

says Planning legislation. One of the reasons the bas turds bought and demolished the terraced streets near to the ground when building the new stands at ewood.

[Inchy]

buy Anne close for tuppence and knock them down. Problem solvled

[Pstotto]

If the Bob Lord Stand were to be demolished and replaced with a stand that goes right back to Harry Potts Way or even beyond it via an overhang, it might be so designed at to have a more shallow incline, with the magnificent view from the JH upper still in-view.

Thank God Turf Moor is nothing like the Russia 2018 venues where the roofs are the biggest part of the stadium, to the extent they are enclosed bubbles. Mind you, they got worse weather to contend with.

[50 shades of Grey]

Inchy wrote:
buy Anne close for tuppence and knock them down. Problem solvled

Think there may also be a problem with the main road being so close to the stand also.

[Dark Cloud]

It's a while ago, but the CC were definitely offered £1 million? to go to Fulledge and at the time that WAS a fair wedge of cash. I believe they would have taken it and gone at the time, but local residents at Fulledge were against them so it was shelved. Ironically Burnley CC's financial fortunes are very closely aligned with the FC as they make a packet out of beer sales during the football season when a lot of cricket clubs struggle and increased attendances mean increased sales. Thus these days they would be far more reluctant to move I would suggest.

[claretandy]

50 shades of Grey wrote:
As mentioned previously, the height of the Bob Lord cannot be raised due to its close proximity to the houses opposite on Anne Close.

Claretandy wrote:
says who ?

says Planning legislation. One of the reasons the bas turds bought and demolished the terraced streets near to the ground when building the new stands at ewood.

Blackburn demolished houses because they backed onto the ground and they had no room to build, we don't have that problem, the bob lord doesn't go anywhere near the pavement and an extension would only take it to above where the offices are now.

[bfcwest]

Inchy wrote:
buy Anne close for tuppence and knock them down. Problem solvled

Think there may also be a problem with the main road being so close to the stand also.

The back of the Bob Lord Stand is currently well short of the boundary, and it could be extended back a good 15 rows and still be inside the pavement that the building below sits against. I can't see how this would have any impact on any houses either. The new roof and extended stand would all sit further away from the road than the building below. Get it done!!

(Sorry Claret Tandy, I took so long finding an image that I never saw your post that tells the story much better than mine!).

[Wokingclaret]

New offices could be have ended any hopes of extending the BL, no where to put supports