Trump and Jerusalem...Insane

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:13 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Muslim population doubled between 2001-2011 UK census 2.5m in just 10 years. It's common knowledge... That not even counting the 90s...

And how much was due to births?

Cheshire Exile · Post by **Cheshire Exile** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:15 pm

My two penn'orth.

There is much more to this than meets the eye.

The background- in 1995, when Bill Clinton was in the White House, Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act which (a) recognised Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and enabled the shifting of the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv but (b) gave the President a prerogative/veto (known as the "waiver") to override the legislation. The waiver has been exercised by every president since then, including Trump who signed it on 1st June, despite the "recognition of Jerusalem/moving the embassy" in accordance with the 1995 legislation being campaign promises (I have not been able to find out what H. Clinton said about this during her own campaign but there is no doubt that she too was very much in favour as as long ago as 1999. Given that she was generally even more hawkish than Trump when it came to foreign affairs it would not surprise me to find out that she remained in favour).

It was the Senate which voted unanimously (90-0) to pass a resolution to recognise Jerusalem as the capital and to exercise the authority of the 1995 Act to move the embassy, fifty years on from the Six Day War.

This resolution was passed on 6th June 2017, five days after Trump had in fact signed the waiver to continue the deferment of the move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem; it was co-sponsored by Democratic minority leader Chuck Schumer who said "I am proud to sponsor this resolution, which reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 that states Jerusalem should remain an undivided city and Israel’s capital – in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are celebrated, valued and protected".

Trump was therefore acquiescing to the wishes of a unanimous Senate and may have been politically outmanoeuvred (accidentally on purpose?), but this has the full weight of the Senate behind it and it is not necessarily a unilateral act.

Meanwhile, Russia recognised West Jerusalem as the de facto Israeli capital on 6th April but nobody batted an eyelid...

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:16 pm

I thought the USA was a democracy, wouldn't something like this would be subject to a vote in the House?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:19 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:And how much was due to births?

Does it matter? It's too much of a cultural shift over too short of period. It's allowed for parallel societies to grow and flourish that have almost totally different values to those of indigenous people. You might think that's a good thing, but me I think it's a recipe for terrorism to grow.

If we only brought in manageable numbers, and checked the people who came in, we wouldn't have this problem right now but alas labour decided we didn't need any of that because it's all racist.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:21 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Muslim population doubled between 2001-2011 UK census 2.5m in just 10 years. It's common knowledge... That not even counting the 90s...

Drilling a hole in someone's head relieved migraines once upon a time, it was common knowledge.

Your common knowledge "facts" don't stand up to scruitiny. 1.6m in 2001 and 2.7m in 2011. Not only is that not doubled in ten years, itsn't even increased by half the 2.5m you claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_ ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So why don't you tell the rest of us where it was you heard this bullshit "2.5m in just 10 years" figure? I don't seriously expect you to answer this because i'm sure it was just some stupid facebook posts you saw and immediately believed because you're an uncritical fool, but maybe you'll surprise me and actually provide a source.

Cheshire Exile · Post by **Cheshire Exile** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:21 pm

There was a vote in the Senate, which passed 90-0.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:22 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Muslim population doubled between 2001-2011 UK census 2.5m in just 10 years. It's common knowledge... That not even counting the 90s...

What's the reference to 2.5m?

It can't be the increase in the muslim population, because in the 2011 census, 2,660,116 people were muslim, and in the 2001 census 1,524,887 people were muslim.

So that's not a 2.5m rise and it's not doubling.

What other lies are you going to come out with?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:31 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Drilling a hole in someone's head relieved migraines once upon a time, it was common knowledge.

Your common knowledge "facts" don't stand up to scruitiny. 1.6m in 2001 and 2.7m in 2011. Not only is that not doubled in ten years, itsn't even increased by half the 2.5m you claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_ ... ed_Kingdom" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So why don't you tell the rest of us where it was you heard this bullshit "2.5m in just 10 years" figure? I don't seriously expect you to answer this because i'm sure it was just some stupid facebook posts you saw and immediately believed because you're an uncritical fool, but maybe you'll surprise me and actually provide a source.

Going off memory, I remember it near doubling. Must have been 2.5% to near 5%

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:37 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Going off memory, I remember it near doubling. Must have been 2.5% to near 5%

Still no. 2.7% to 4.8%

There's no spinning this, whoever you got your info from is lying to you knowing that you'll swallow it, because you want it to be true. Stop spreading bullshit.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:37 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Going off memory, I remember it near doubling. Must have been 2.5% to near 5%

You can't quote a census without actually knowing what that census is actually saying.

How thick are you?

F*cking monumentally, is the answer.

What a moron.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Still no. 2.7% to 4.8%

There's no spinning this, whoever you got your info from is lying to you knowing that you'll swallow it, because you want it to be true. Stop spreading bullshit.

So 6 years off memory and you call being out a couple. 0 percents lying? Could it possibly be my memory was a little hazy? No? Of course not. I just remember the population pretty much doubling over one census. I rememberd 2.5 to 5. I thought it was million, turns out it was % give or take. Stop trying to make out everyone is as sinister as you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:45 pm

It's not percentage either, unless you revise one number down and the other number up. But what kind of **** would do that just to excuse their hatred?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:50 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Still laughing at you.

How thick.

You can't laugh at anyone pal, you're the biggest joke on this forum.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's not percentage either, unless you revise one number down and the other number up. But what kind of **** would do that just to excuse their hatred?

A **** like me. Any day through ******* the week

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:52 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You can't laugh at anyone pal, you're the biggest joke on this forum.

Not now!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Not now!

Nah, you definitely still are.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:27 pm

Turtle and Bunghole are like two little annoying yapping dogs...the type you just want to give a swift toe to the rear end to.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:55 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Turtle and Bunghole are like two little annoying yapping dogs...the type you just want to give a swift toe to the rear end to.

Nah, I'd never want to kick a dog. These two however

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:56 pm

Pretty embarrassing for ClaretMoffitt that! Hahaha

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:09 pm

Walton wrote:Pretty embarrassing for ClaretMoffitt that! Hahaha

What, getting mixed up over the specifics of a report I read 6 years ago? Yeh hahahahha, so embarrassing. How will I ever go on?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:21 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:What, getting mixed up over the specifics of a report I read 6 years ago? Yeh hahahahha, so embarrassing. How will I ever go on?

You do seem to base your entire life on incorrect statistics, always getting things like that wrong. Maybe you should read more, and you might learn that your prejudices are based on fallacies.

android · Post by **android** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:37 pm

Some odd stuff (odder than normal!) on here today.

Do IT, UTB and Walton really not know that something going from 2.7% to 4.8% is close to doubling? Can't say I like where Moffitt was going with this info but to insult someone for mentioning that something had "doubled" when they should have said it had "almost doubled" is bizarre.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:40 pm

android wrote:Some odd stuff (odder than normal!) on here today.

Do IT, UTB and Walton really not know that something going from 2.7% to 4.8% is close to doubling? Can't say I like where Moffitt was going with this info but to insult someone for mentioning that something had "doubled" when they should have said it had "almost doubled" is bizarre.

They are just desperate to cling onto something, anything to shut my argument down. 0.2% out because I was going off memory from years ago but apparently that's the funniest thing ever. Bunch of phoneys

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:45 pm

android wrote:Some odd stuff (odder than normal!) on here today.

Do IT, UTB and Walton really not know that something going from 2.7% to 4.8% is close to doubling? Can't say I like where Moffitt was going with this info but to insult someone for mentioning that something had "doubled" when they should have said it had "almost doubled" is bizarre.

He had in his head a rise of 2.5m people, when the TOTAL was only just over 2.5m itself.

To say it was him who brought the census into the equation in the first place, yet had absolutely no idea of the numbers was pretty embarrassing.

To get something that wrong is dangerous, especially paired with the blatant prejudices people like Moffitt hold.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:45 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:And how much was due to births?

I suppose a large number will be births.

More than a few will be the arranged marriage malarky, which can often result in someone else moving over here with a skill set we don't need.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:01 pm

Walton wrote:He had in his head a rise of 2.5m people, when the TOTAL was only just over 2.5m itself.

To say it was him who brought the census into the equation in the first place, yet had absolutely no idea of the numbers was pretty embarrassing.

To get something that wrong is dangerous, especially paired with the blatant prejudices people like Moffitt hold.

I had no idea yet correctly guessed both the population percentage statistics (give or take 0.4) and the fact that it doubled over 1 census, albeit I got mixed up with the numbers. Hell of an accurate guess considering I "had no idea" isn't it? You ******* clown.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:10 pm

Thats not even considering the fact that tens possibly hundreds of thousands will not have been recorded on the census due to language barriers/illegal settlement/house sharing without fixed addresses etc etc, who all will most likely reside in these heavily segregated communities, and of course be prime targets for recruiting radicals.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:11 pm

Do you ever talk about anything other than muslims?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:14 pm

If you are going to talk about Muslims all the time CM, can you start a Muslim hot totty thread or something much more fun?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:If you are going to talk about Muslims all the time CM, can you start a Muslim hot totty thread or something much more fun?

Does Mia Khalifa count as muslim?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:21 pm

See? Potential there

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:33 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Was just thinking them two as well.

So she highly likely fits the criteria.

She's a looker is that one. Crikey o blimey.

Can't be a Mussie though, what with the pins on show.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:35 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:She's a looker is that one. Crikey o blimey.

Can't be a Mussie though, what with the pins on show.

She might be to be fair, as soon as girls like her are rich enough to move out of the backwards, oppressive ghettos they come from they are pretty much free to live and do as they please (mostly).

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:37 pm

Mussie? Seriously?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:40 pm

Walton wrote:Mussie? Seriously?

Do you take the night shift and UptheBeehole takes the day shift?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:55 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Do you take the night shift and UptheBeehole takes the day shift?

At calling out racists? Yeah, we must do.

If a neutral fan stumbled across this forum their opinion of Burnley fans would be awful. Rampant, unmoderated islamophobia abounds. A cesspit of unsavoury views.

UTB is to me the left version of Ringo. A simplistic fool who irritates the hell out of people. The thing is, I agree with a lot of what UTB says when he's calling out people, because he's calling out the right people, just in a painful way.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:59 pm

Since the summer I can barely stomach coming on to UTC, because there's always going to be one poster calling Muslims 'mussies' or some other embarrassing racist nonsense.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:59 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:You can't laugh at anyone pal, you're the biggest joke on this forum.

Quoted for truth. He's just a sad clone vying for attention.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:02 pm

Painful?

He's posting pictures of extreme left wing nutters with guns and far right Nazi nutters as examples for his warped opinions.

Will someone please hold the middle ground.

The stuff that's posted on here gets posted on many other football forums out there.

Clarinetclaret · Post by **Clarinetclaret** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:03 pm

Walton wrote:Since the summer I can barely stomach coming on to UTC, because there's always going to be one poster calling Muslims 'mussies' or some other embarrassing racist nonsense.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out then, bye!

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:06 pm

Clarinetclaret wrote:Don't let the door hit you on the way out then, bye!

It's already driven a lot of the original Clarets Madders away...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:06 pm

He's making a valid point though.

What is wrong with just typing "Muslim". It takes exactly the same amount of time to type and isn't offensive.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's making a valid point though.

What is wrong with just typing "Muslim". It takes exactly the same amount of time to type and isn't offensive.

No, you're making a valid point, he's calling me a racist.

If it's offending people on here then I shall not type it again.

However sad I think that is.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:16 pm

Trump and Jerusalem...Insane

A good read:

"Donald Trump says recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will bring peace – it will do quite the opposite

Trump has turned away from any notion of fairness in peace negotiations and run with Israel’s ball" .....Robert Fisk

"....Goodbye Palestine. Goodbye, the “two-state” solution. Goodbye, the Palestinians. For this new Israeli “capital” is not for them. Trump did not even use the word “Palestine”. He talked about “Israel and the Palestinians” – in other words, of a state and of those who do not deserve – and can no longer aspire to – a state....

.... The Palestinians have been living in a kind of hell for a 100 years, ever since the Balfour Declaration declared Britain’s support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine,..

... Go and look at the Jewish colonies in the West Bank and it’s clear that Israel has no intention that it(PALESTINE) should exist in the future....

.....for the benefit of his party, Christian Evangelicals and those who claim to be American supporters of Israel – Trump has simply turned away from any notion of fairness in peace negotiations and run with Israel’s ball.....

..Israel may claim all of Jerusalem as its eternal and undivided capital – as Netanyahu also claims that Israel is the “Jewish state”, despite the fact that more than 20 percent of the people of Israel are Muslim Arabs who live inside its borders......

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/don ... 96741.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump Crosses Red Line on Jerusalem .......John Wight

".President Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is not only a clear violation of international law, but a moral outrage when it comes to its contempt for and violation of the rights of the Palestinian people.

Under the stewardship of Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel has embraced with unfailing ardor a rejectionist stance on Palestinian statehood. He knows peace, a viable peace, cannot exist and will never exist unless justice for the Palestinians is placed at its heart........

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/2017 ... m-outrage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:19 pm

bluelabrador16 wrote:Trump and Jerusalem...Insane

A good read:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/don ... 96741.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump Crosses Red Line on Jerusalem .......John Wight

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/2017 ... m-outrage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I genuinely love how you always remain undeterred from any and all twists and turns a thread takes and always maintain your focus. You the real MVP Bluelab

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:20 pm

Is "Mussie" really that offensive?

If so, then "Proddy" must be too.

Yet nobody commented on this:

box_of_frogs wrote:I just showed this to a mate of mine from those parts. Yes, he's from the Proddy side of the house, but as far from an extremist as I could imagine.

However, he said you can go f*** yourself.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:27 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:No, you're making a valid point, he's calling me a racist.

If it's offending people on here then I shall not type it again.

However sad I think that is.

That's short of an apology..

I was banned for typing 'come on cheerieez' the day of the Bournemouth game..

Context?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:32 pm

Saxoman wrote:That's short of an apology..

I was banned for typing 'come on cheerieez' the day of the Bournemouth game..

Context?

That's because you are a ******* fan tho.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:38 pm

Can you all stop winding up Walton.

He's already declared that I'm the one who gets on his nerves the most, so stop trying to steal him from me!!!

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:51 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Can you all stop winding up Walton.

He's already declared that I'm the one who gets on his nerves the most, so stop trying to steal him from me!!!

I think I'm UTB's kryptonite and i'm happy to stick with that bud, don't you worry.