Eating meat and its environmental impact

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:06 pm

Has anybody stated eating less meat or become vegetarian or even vegan because of the impact it is having on the environment?

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:10 pm

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:14 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Has anybody stated eating less meat or become vegetarian or even vegan because of the impact it is having on the environment?

What about biscuits.?

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:17 pm

conyoviejo wrote:What about biscuits.?

A tricky one this. Not if they're made using palm oil.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:28 pm

What environmental impact?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:28 pm

People need to do some research.

Any vegan or vegetarian who is eating items with Palm oil in is doing way more damage to the world than some meat off the moors of Burnley.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:30 pm

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FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:31 pm

How do you know someone's vegan? They'll tell you!

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:32 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:People need to do some research.

Any vegan or vegetarian who is eating items with Palm oil in is doing way more damage to the world than some meat off the moors of Burnley.

I'm not a vegetarian. But I did say - "Not if they're made using palm oil."

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:36 pm

bobinho wrote:What environmental impact?

Due to the global greenhouse-gas emissions being caused by animal agriculture.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Next year....Brussels Sprouts banned. It seems pretty much every aspect of human life is damaging something or other these days. I look forward to some Hollywood type flying over by private jet to tell us what we"re allowed to eat.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Next year....Brussels Sprouts banned. It seems pretty much every aspect of human life is damaging something or other these days. I look forward to some Hollywood type flying over by private jet to tell us what we"re allowed to eat.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:44 pm

Just think of the impact if we let all those animals run wild.

Sorry for being negative but that last Bacon butty has given me a bit of indigestion.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Due to the global greenhouse-gas emissions being caused by animal agriculture.

If animals didn't eat vegetation, the vegetation would die or die back anyway and release its carbon into the air that way. Giving up meat and slaughtering all the animals wouldn't really help much; especially as animals are usually considered to be good things to have on planet earth.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

Yep. I watched Cowspiracy and thought I’d give it a go. I’ve found it remarkably easy. I’m down to approximately 2 portions of fish a week- the rest as good as vegan.

I do occasionally eat a donner kebab though and are lots of pigs in blankets ok Christmas Day.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:Due to the global greenhouse-gas emissions being caused by animal agriculture.

Ahh, right. Now I get ya.

No.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:I'm not a vegetarian. But I did say - "Not if they're made using palm oil."

Sorry that was a rant, not aimed at you. Just a general rant , sorry.

By the way Palm oil is now in just about everything.

From chocolate to biscuits. Ready meals etc.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:49 pm

Now this is a complex subject

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:53 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Sorry that was a rant, not aimed at you. Just a general rant , sorry.

By the way Palm oil is now in just about everything.

From chocolate to biscuits. Ready meals etc.

No offense taken buddy, we don't use anything using palm oil in our house anymore. This has caused as outrage taking Nutella off the menu.

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:55 pm

Simple answer for me. No, and I never will.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:56 pm

No I haven't changed how much dead animal I eat.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:58 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:Yep. I watched Cowspiracy and thought I’d give it a go. I’ve found it remarkably easy. I’m down to approximately 2 portions of fish a week- the rest as good as vegan.

I do occasionally eat a donner kebab though and are lots of pigs in blankets ok Christmas Day.

I think "occasionally" is the keyword.

CrispyClaret · Post by **CrispyClaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:00 pm

What will be the environmental impact on getting rid of the cow, pig and sheep carcasses? Or do the dogooders seriously think all the farm animals will be left to live out their lives, waited on hand and foot, until old age carries them off?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:02 pm

And it's a resounding NO from me.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:02 pm

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:No offense taken buddy, we don't use anything using palm oil in our house anymore. This has caused as outrage taking Nutella off the menu.

We don’t either, being diabetic the chocolate is easy.

All our meals are cooked from scratch.

The majority of our meat comes from a small holding in Burnley, the meat is best I have ever had.
HMHB, you should go buy some, it’s amazing.

Tonight we are having a recipe of original KFC chicken strips. Not sure you can tell it from the one you buy but made at home and it’s amazing.

Claret&Green · Post by **Claret&Green** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:12 pm

It takes as much if not more acreage to grow veg than the equivalent meat. Plus and more importantly humans are designed to be omnivores as we have both incisors & molars

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:20 pm

Claret&Green wrote:It takes as much if not more acreage to grow veg than the equivalent meat. Plus and more importantly humans are designed to be omnivores as we have both incisors & molars

I would honestly like you to point me in the right direction to see where I can see this.
Most of the stuff I've found online says the polar opposite.

chadders · Post by **chadders** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:22 pm

Check out: Pasture for Life and Holistic grazing management. These are methods of producing high welfare products, good for the environment and consumers. Complex subject mind. Palm oil production is another major problem. Anyroad, with Trump in charge I don't think there's too much to worry about with regards to the environment :/

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:25 pm

Most of the grass land around here cannot grow veg. I have an allotment and loads of crops fail each year due to our climate of loads of rain and little sun.

If we all turned veggie what would we do with the land around here??

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:26 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:We don’t either, being diabetic the chocolate is easy.

All our meals are cooked from scratch.

The majority of our meat comes from a small holding in Burnley, the meat is best I have ever had.
HMHB, you should go buy some, it’s amazing.

Tonight we are having a recipe of original KFC chicken strips. Not sure you can tell it from the one you buy but made at home and it’s amazing.

This is where I am at the moment. I've been responsible for 90% of our own meat consumption for a while now. Pigs and chickens.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:29 pm

chadders wrote:Check out: Pasture for Life and Holistic grazing management. These are methods of producing high welfare products, good for the environment and consumers. Complex subject mind. Palm oil production is another major problem. Anyroad, with Trump in charge I don't think there's too much to worry about with regards to the environment :/

Chadders, I will. I'd also like to compliment you on the articulate use of the word "anyroad"

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:30 pm

Vegetarians are destroying the planet by eating all the plants.
Taking all the other food sources from animals too.

Not as innocent as they make out.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:32 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Most of the grass land around here cannot grow veg. I have an allotment and loads of crops fail each year due to our climate of loads of rain and little sun.

If we all turned veggie what would we do with the land around here??

I don’t think everyone has to stop eating meat full stop, but I think it’s undeniable that the developed worlds eats far too much meat and given the current rates of population growth it’s totally unsustainable

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:34 pm

We buy our meat from longcauseway, trading.

They are open first Sunday of each month 10 till 2 . Drive past the Turf and turn left at the Kettledrum, there’s normally a sign across the road. Go past the houses and up the hill. As you are going up the hill the road bends right and you will see a sign on the left pointing up a farm track. Go up there and second left.

Free range lovingly reared pigs, sheep, cows and sometimes chickens and ducks.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:38 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:I don’t think everyone has to stop eating meat full stop, but I think it’s undeniable that the developed worlds eats far too much meat and given the current rates of population growth it’s totally unsustainable

I think the vegans would like us all to stop, you will never stop me.

The growth of population will be dealt with, nature will find away of balancing things out.

halfmanhalfbiscuit · Post by **halfmanhalfbiscuit** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:We buy our meat from longcauseway, trading.

They are open first Sunday of each month 10 till 2 . Drive past the Turf and turn left at the Kettledrum, there’s normally a sign across the road. Go past the houses and up the hill. As you are going up the hill the road bends right and you will see a sign on the left pointing up a farm track. Go up there and second left.

Free range lovingly reared pigs, sheep, cows and sometimes chickens and ducks.

Aye, I grew up on that hill.
You could always stop off in "The Drum" for a pint with Stan...if he still sups in there.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:56 pm

Aye, I grew up on that hill.
You could always stop off in "The Drum" for a pint with Stan...

Aye,only if you buy him one though

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:06 pm

According to the Carbon Trust, one has to use an artificial Christmas tree for ten whole years before it makes less of an enviromental impact than ten real trees.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:36 pm

I've cut meat out almost entirely in the last year and it's been pretty easy. I'll still have a kebab if I'm steaming drunk and in the kebab zone or if I'm eating out and we're going somewhere with really awesome meat then I'll get involved, but it'll be once a month now I'd guess.

Typical cheap meat in day to day food is shite, bland, tasted it before and it's often not really the bit of the meal I'm getting the enjoyment from, e.g. swap meat for veg in a curry and it's just as good. Been cooking and enjoying my food a lot more since.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:43 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:All our meals are cooked from scratch.

What, pork scratchings?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:45 pm

Supposedly a meat only diet is good for you, I was watching a Joe Rogan podcast with a doctor who has been eating just meat for nearly 2 years, sounds mental really.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:51 pm

Hipper wrote:What, pork scratchings?

Yes that too, very easy.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:00 pm

If you eat a plant based whole food diet you'll live longer. Beyond that you're trading life expectancy for your chosen poisons - be that alcohol, meat or whatever. The more animal and animal fats you can replace in your diet the better.

The environmental benefits are huge too

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:03 pm

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Home made pizza at our house.
No Palm oil, no additive just good home made grub.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:08 pm

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Boned half leg of lamb, reared on Burnley’s grass. Keep it local.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:13 pm

Bloody nuisance these hippies.
Have a wash and eat some meat. Will do you the world of good

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
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Boned half leg of lamb, reared on Burnley’s grass. Keep it local.

£8.20 good price too

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:15 pm

Yes, I cut back on Meat about 5 years ago, and environmental impact was the main reason

nearly fully veggie now, odd sausage sandwich when hungover, veg just doesn't cut it then! Nearly cut Diary out, (as Diary cows are actually a bigger GHG contribution than Beef cows, and the process is just a bit weird).

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:16 pm

CrispyClaret wrote:What will be the environmental impact on getting rid of the cow, pig and sheep carcasses? Or do the dogooders seriously think all the farm animals will be left to live out their lives, waited on hand and foot, until old age carries them off?

Far less than letting Billions of Cattle fart forever more.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:28 pm

SonofPog wrote:nearly fully veggie now, odd sausage sandwich when hungover, veg just doesn't cut it then! Nearly cut Diary out, (as Diary cows are actually a bigger GHG contribution than Beef cows, and the process is just a bit weird).

Jan 1. Chewed cud. Got milked. Shat. Grass for tea.
Jan 2. Chewed cud. Got milked. Shat. Grass for tea.
Jan 3. Chewed cud. Got milked. Shat. Grass for tea.
Jan 4. Chewed cud. Got milked. Shat. Grass for tea.
etc...