Jimmy Dunne returns to Burnley with glowing praise

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:22 pm

I keep an eye on Barrow's results as my mum's side are from there, and they've announced that Jimmy Dunne is returning to Burnley.

"Defender Jimmy Dunne has returned to Burnley following his loan spell with us.

With several football league clubs interested in acquiring his services, Jimmy will not be returning to us in the second half of our Vanarama National League campaign.

Everyone at the club thanks him for all of his efforts in a Barrow shirt, showing passion for the club and fans that was far beyond what might be expected of a player on loan at the club.

There is no doubt that Jimmy has a bright future ahead of him, and we all wish him well for his future career."

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:53 pm

Wow, some praise for a 20 year old on loan.

I've no doubt if he continues with his current attitude and application, when the time comes and Mr Dyche gets his hands on him, he will improve further.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:55 pm

Thread with article at
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=24560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Article is at
http://www.uptheclarets.com/the-boys-du ... -at-barrow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which includes all of the comments from the manager and MD

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:13 pm

Hes a heck of a size and when he fills out he is going to be some player I think.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:16 pm

Wow we might be able to get a few thousand for him from a League one club once be develops.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:17 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Hes a heck of a size and when he fills out he is going to be some player I think.

Not seen much of him to be honest other than a handful of games last season. He was very lanky then. I have been impressed with him from the little I've seen.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:37 pm

superdimitri wrote:Wow we might be able to get a few thousand for him from a League one club once be develops.

Or he could turn out to be a first team player, and if not a decent championship player worth a few million.

Who knows what the future holds for a 20 year old centre half, with possibly 12+ years of football ahead of him...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:46 pm

superdimitri wrote:Wow we might be able to get a few thousand for him from a League one club once be develops.

Is that the level you think he can reach?

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:09 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Is that the level you think he can reach?

MACCA wrote:Or he could turn out to be a first team player, and if not a decent championship player worth a few million.

Who knows what the future holds for a 20 year old centre half, with possibly 12+ years of football ahead of him...

Yeah he is gonna be an influential player for us when West Ham's Reece Oxford is being loaned to Dortmund at 18.

Meanwhile our promising Centre Back is 20 and playing in the Vanarama League for Barrow...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:20 pm

superdimitri wrote:Yeah he is gonna be an influential player for us when West Ham's Reece Oxford is being loaned to Dortmund at 18.

Meanwhile our promising Centre Back is 20 and playing in the Vanarama League for Barrow...

Not sure why you have quoted my post, you haven't responded to it. Can I ask why you think he is potentially capable of playing at League One but no higher, I'm interested in your views on him.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:22 pm

superdimitri wrote:Yeah he is gonna be an influential player for us when West Ham's Reece Oxford is being loaned to Dortmund at 18.

Meanwhile our promising Centre Back is 20 and playing in the Vanarama League for Barrow...

So because he went to Barrow he wont make it? Wow.

I'd argue that a lad who has played for Barrow (and I presume a league club until summer) will be a lot more grounded than a kid who thiks he's already made it at Dortmund.... the lower leagues are full of kids who broke through at the highest levels. Playing lower league football in England did nothing to harm Beckham.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:34 pm

Didn’t Jay Rod go on loan to Scotland?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:36 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:Didn’t Jay Rod go on loan to Scotland?

He did - went to Stirling Albion. Jay was 21 when he first got a regular place in the team and that's when we were in the Championship.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:37 pm

elwaclaret wrote:Playing lower league football in England did nothing to harm Beckham.

No, the harm done was when he married Victoria.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:02 pm

superdimitri wrote:Wow we might be able to get a few thousand for him from a League one club once be develops.

Cynical.
Without foundation too.
But guess we're all entitled to an opinion .

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:10 pm

superdimitri wrote:Yeah he is gonna be an influential player for us when West Ham's Reece Oxford is being loaned to Dortmund at 18.

Meanwhile our promising Centre Back is 20 and playing in the Vanarama League for Barrow...

Shame none of Vardy, Austin and Gray had the same thoughts whilst playing none league, they wouldn't be multi millionaires now or had played for England.

I bet they wished they'd have packed it in when Dortmund and co didn't come knocking at 20....

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:28 pm

Ben Mee hadnt played any first team football either on loan or at City at 20

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:35 pm

File him under the same category as all the other "undeveloped" development squad players. We need young players pushing for the starting 11, not players on loan in the lower leagues. Its naive to think anything will come from the lad, but I guess its the "Burnley way" to think youngsters coming through is the future.

File him under every one of our other failed development squad players. Makes me laugh comparing him to Rodriguez who was beneficial to our first team and knocking in goals at the same age in the championship.

I hope I am proven wrong, but I've lost faith in the development of our youngsters, I am not going to be hopeful that anyone makes the jump up.

Wake up and look at our recent promising prospects. We aren't in the 60s or 70s anymore.

Why league one? Well that is about as high as all of our other dev squad players play, they don't particularly shine either.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:41 pm

superdimitri wrote:File him under the same category as all the other "undeveloped" development squad players. We need young players pushing for the starting 11, not players on loan in the lower leagues. Its naive to think anything will come from the lad, but I guess its the "Burnley way" to think youngsters coming through is the future.

File him under every one of our other failed development squad players. Makes me laugh comparing him to Rodriguez who was beneficial to our first team and knocking in goals at the same age in the championship.

I hope I am proven wrong, but I've lost faith in the development of our youngsters, I am not going to be hopeful that anyone makes the jump up.

Wake up and look at our recent promising prospects. We aren't in the 60s or 70s anymore.

Why league one? Well that is about as high as all of our other dev squad players play, they don't particularly shine either.

You are absolutely wrong about Jay Rod. Other than two games at the end of the 2008/09 season, he didn't get a regular place in the first team at Burnley until he was 21.

Basically, you are commenting on a player you have probably never seen play, a young lad who is trying to make his way in the game. If it makes you laugh people comparing him with Rodriguez, then it is certainly making me laugh comparing him with the mess we've had with our dev squad and academy in recent years. Of course it's not the 60s or 70s, although precious little came through in the 70s, but the club is working hard to try and develop young footballers again. It may well be that we establish ourselves as a Premier League club and Dunne falls short of that, but if he does well enough we might sell him on to a Championship or League One club.

But to comment on a player you know nothing about is just not right.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:41 pm

To assume I know nothing about the player is also not right. I have seen him play a few times and he has been impressive. As you know too well though, a player can look very good in a youth squad but never make it in the first team. There are many players who I saw play both for the youth team and dev squad who looked more impressive and never made it.

I am not wrong re-jay rod, made his debut in 2007 for us, born in July 1989 that made him 19 when he made his debut and 20 the following year (2008) when he started more regularly for us.

My point is people get hopefully and carried away with youth development, I think its because many (like you Tony) followed the club in the days when we we're so successful at that. Today its very different.

I hope that Dunne proves me wrong, but I am not going to get my hopes up that a player has done well playing in the 5th tier. Especially when the step up for him is all that much greater now we are in the premier league.

As for our youth set up, we gained a category which is great, but it doesn't guarantee any success. There is many a club with category one youth set ups but it still doesn't necessarily get you anywhere. You can count on one hand how many players have come through to be regulars from premier league youth set ups and its one reason why the national team suffers so much.

I personally think the youth set up is a complete waste of money and its clear that there isn't much hope with our players when we can't even get them playing in championship sides. The plan is just to make a little money here and there where we can by selling these players for a few thousand and hope that every so often we get 1 or 2 gems come through, but I am very sceptical of that.

brigante · Post by **brigante** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:58 pm

superdimitri wrote:To assume I know nothing about the player is also not right. I have seen him play a few times and he has been impressive. As you know too well though, a player can look very good in a youth squad but never make it in the first time. There are many players who I saw play both for the youth team and dev squad who looked more impressive and never made it.

I am not wrong re-jay rod, made his debut in 2007 for us, born in July 1989 that made him 19 when he made his debut and 20 the following year (2008) when he started more regularly for us.

My point is people get hopefully and carried away with youth development, I think its because many (like you Tony) followed the club in the days when we we're so successful at that. Today its very different.

I hope that Dunne proves me wrong, but I am not going to get my hopes up that a player has done well playing in the 5th tier. Especially when the step up for him is all that much greater now we are in the premier league.

As for our youth set up, we gained a category which is great, but it doesn't guarantee any success. There is many a club with category one youth set ups but it still doesn't necessarily get you anywhere. You can count on one hand how many players have come through to be regulars from premier league youth set ups and its one reason why the national team suffers so much.

I personally think the youth set up is a complete waste of money and its clear that there isn't much hope with our players when we can't even get them playing in championship sides. The plan is just to make a little money here and there where we can by selling these players for a few thousand and hope that every so often we get 1 or 2 gems come through, but I am very sceptical of that.

Time for us to lock the gates on Turf Moor and knock it all on the head.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:10 pm

He's entitled to his views, and the youth systems at loads of clubs are under a lot of scrutiny.

For what its worth, its nice to see one of our players getting that sort of praise but it will be interesting to see where he moves to next, and crucially, at what level it is at.

We all want youth players to come through, and I think we all want the youth system to succeed, but can it succeed when every season you have to stay at the level we are at now to afford it long term? I'm not sure it can, though I hope I'm wrong.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:17 pm

Statistically speaking, we won't ever see him in the first team.

But there's still a chance.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:27 pm

superdimitri wrote:Yeah he is gonna be an influential player for us when West Ham's Reece Oxford is being loaned to Dortmund at 18

Mönchengladbach.

Where he played a grand sum of 256 minutes in half a season, a whole 1 minute of that in his preferred position.

That off the back of 5 appearances in half a season on loan at Reading where he only completed 90 minutes once, in a 7-1 defeat by Norwich.

I'd doubt he's developed any more in that timeframe than he would have by staying at West Ham. Maybe a lower level would have been better for him.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:48 pm

Looks like Jimmy Dunne has been scouted by a League One club and could well be going there this month - seen a suggestion that Fleetwood want him.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:34 pm

There are not too many "late starters" like Ian Wright and Vardy who make it to the top....so there must be plenty of teams around the country and the world getting the youth systems to work.
The percentage of youth players who break into their premier league first teams is very low with Southampton probably the only notable recent exception.
I think the way we are going about it as a club at the moment is probably about right - getting the infrastructure right and gradually improving the quality of the coaching staff etc - but it is going to probably take at least 5 years to see any benefits and even then nobody should expect a "class of 92" type scenario because look how few of the youth team have broke through at United in the last 10 years (Lingard and who else ?)

As for Jimmy Dunne (he's half way there with a proper footballing name !) that sounds like really positive feedback. Let's see how he does when he steps up and then if he can step up again at either ourselves or at championship level. Nobody knows how far he can progress but I can't see how the club can be criticised at this point.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:36 pm

TVC15 wrote:As for Jimmy Dunne (he's half way there with a proper footballing name !)

We've got a Tommy Wood in the u23s too

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:43 pm

Mattster wrote:Mönchengladbach.

Where he played a grand sum of 256 minutes in half a season, a whole 1 minute of that in his preferred position.

That off the back of 5 appearances in half a season on loan at Reading where he only completed 90 minutes once, in a 7-1 defeat by Norwich.

I'd doubt he's developed any more in that timeframe than he would have by staying at West Ham. Maybe a lower level would have been better for him.

They also underwent a managerial change that probably contributed to his return and lack of games. He was highly rated there and spoken well of, in fact I think under the previous manager they wanted to seal a permanent deal. I would much rather have a player, highly rated and training with top class facilities, with top class players beside him than I would having one playing week in week out in the 5th tier.

It would be great to see our youth players on loan at championship level...probably aspiring to get players on loan to Bundesliga clubs is pushing it, but if we want the best chance for players getting in the first team they need to be making appearences at his kind of age at a much higher level.

I am not knocking Dunne in particular, I just don't have any faith in our youth development and its just blindingly obvious to me when you see the kind of clubs these players get loaned to that there is currently little hope in it ourselves.

Lets hope he does well at whichever league one club he goes to so we can loan him out to a championship team a year later. Then maybe I will be hopeful.

As Dave Baldwin put it, the way we see our youth system is to give the players their best chance to succeed, be it with us or without us, if we can enable them to seal a contract elsewhere its probably going to benefit us with a small transfer fee or sell on clause anyway, but I am very sceptical with all the money that goes in to having these players to begin with if its even worth it.

Its very rare to get a player like Vardy, Wright, Gray, Boyd etc come through from the non-league and their circumstances are very different. These are players who we're owned by lower league sides and bought as they climbed up the leagues. Its very different having a player loaned out to a lower league and much less probable statistically that they will succeed.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:45 pm

We should be scouting the youth systems looking for a Johnny Haynes, Ronnie Yates etc
It would put the fear of god into the other teams when they see the teamsheets and they have Tristram, Jamie and Patrick in their lineups !

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:25 pm

Sounds like the lad has come back from Barrow with a glowing half-term report.
Whether or not he makes it to our current level it is encouraging to hear about his effort and application. Some people get devoured by their own cynicism.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:28 am

None of us have the slightest clue how this kid will turn out. There are thousands that don't make it, particularly at this level. And there's the odd gem, that will. One thing's for certain, and that is you can't write a young lad off at 20 because he's playing at Barrow.

steve1264b · Post by **steve1264b** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:35 am

I know a Barrow fan who rates Dunne. Would we rather he stayed playing academy football or get stuck in at National League level?
I'm confident Dunne thought it better development.
By the way the previous Barrow manager who signed Dunne is i believe an associate of our head of development. If i understand it correctly Dunne was earmarked to stay with us until Barrow wanted him. Maybe he has returned as the circs under which we loaned him have changed.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:57 am

ClaretTony wrote:No, the harm done was when he married Victoria.

Brilliant!!!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:02 am

steve1264b wrote:I know a Barrow fan who rates Dunne. Would we rather he stayed playing academy football or get stuck in at National League level?
I'm confident Dunne thought it better development.
By the way the previous Barrow manager who signed Dunne is i believe an associate of our head of development. If i understand it correctly Dunne was earmarked to stay with us until Barrow wanted him. Maybe he has returned as the circs under which we loaned him have changed.

The Barrow manager at the start of the season was Paul Cox who had previously been at Mansfield. I'm not sure who you are referring to at Burnley because I don't think we have anyone under the title of head of development. It could be Nicky Law, head of academy recruitment. He was Alfreton manager when Cox was at Mansfield so they weren't far apart geographically and would both have been managing in the same league at one point.

A few references to the youth system and not having faith in it. The current system, in effect, is no more than a year old. It had been damaged almost beyond repair by Blake and his henchmen and we are now very much in recovery mode. That's led to more extensive recruitment beyond youth level and Dunne, I think, was one of the first to arrive post Blake. He was never in the youth team at Burnley, he was too old for that when he arrived, he'd been in Manchester United's youth team prior to signing for us.

It's non-league, yes, but he will have gained so much experience from half a season of first team football. Him moving out has also allowed some of our younger defenders to get more experienced than they might have in our under-23 team.

The club's academy are at least now forming a strategy for getting young players out on loan where appropriate and that can only be positive.

steve1264b · Post by **steve1264b** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:23 am

HI Tony, knew id read it somewhere, it is Nicky Law and Paul Cox is quoted within the Dundalk message board as quoting his relationship with him as opening the move up.

Our player has travelled up and down the country, playing in a tough league. He has been man of the match several times. I can see no downside.

https://talkofthetown.ie/jimmy-dunne-mo ... m-burnley/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:30 am

steve1264b wrote:HI Tony, knew id read it somewhere, it is Nicky Law and Paul Cox is quoted within the Dundalk message board as quoting his relationship with him as opening the move up.

Our player has travelled up and down the country, playing in a tough league. He has been man of the match several times. I can see no downside.

https://talkofthetown.ie/jimmy-dunne-mo ... m-burnley/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I should have looked at my own site - refers to the Cox/Law link
http://www.uptheclarets.com/managers-ha ... ts-on-loan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is definitely no downside
Barrow have had the use of a player for half a season who has turned out to be one of their best players, Dunne has gained some valuable experienced and he'll return to us a better player for the experience.

Young_Claret_91 · Post by **Young_Claret_91** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:47 am

superdimitri wrote:To assume I know nothing about the player is also not right. I have seen him play a few times and he has been impressive. As you know too well though, a player can look very good in a youth squad but never make it in the first team. There are many players who I saw play both for the youth team and dev squad who looked more impressive and never made it.

I am not wrong re-jay rod, made his debut in 2007 for us, born in July 1989 that made him 19 when he made his debut and 20 the following year (2008) when he started more regularly for us.

My point is people get hopefully and carried away with youth development, I think its because many (like you Tony) followed the club in the days when we we're so successful at that. Today its very different.

I hope that Dunne proves me wrong, but I am not going to get my hopes up that a player has done well playing in the 5th tier. Especially when the step up for him is all that much greater now we are in the premier league.

As for our youth set up, we gained a category which is great, but it doesn't guarantee any success. There is many a club with category one youth set ups but it still doesn't necessarily get you anywhere. You can count on one hand how many players have come through to be regulars from premier league youth set ups and its one reason why the national team suffers so much.

I personally think the youth set up is a complete waste of money and its clear that there isn't much hope with our players when we can't even get them playing in championship sides. The plan is just to make a little money here and there where we can by selling these players for a few thousand and hope that every so often we get 1 or 2 gems come through, but I am very sceptical of that.

"A complete waste of money"?

We have invested heavily in our new training centre at Gawthorpe over the last few years, enabling us to restructure our academy programme, making notable additions to the staff including Danny Cadamarteri. Who has led our current U18 squad to be sitting third in the professional development league. We are sitting above both Leeds & Sheff Utd, who are both success stories in terms of academy graduates getting first team game time. Changes will take time, of course, but the investment and fantastic training centre puts us in great stead for the future. With the Club having a coaching input for kids as young as 6 - it is obviously not possible for development success to be shown overnight in the form of creating the next wonderkid - as you appear to expect!

Once more, we are a club who prides itself in helping the local community - with a number of the U18s/23s being born and raised in the local area this is surely something that we should support. What could possibly be better than witnessing successful football careers for kids growing up as Burnley season ticket holders?

As a club that is seeing the most success now than it has in many decades, even more so from a financial perspective, we should only support decisions in the investment in our future, even if in this case success cannot be seen immediately. We are making huge strides towards this already.

UTC!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:59 am

Who knows? It's just good to know we have lads who go out on loan, irrespective of the level, and conduct themselves in such a positive manner. We know just how important attitude and character are for our Manager and it's very encouraging to see young players showing those qualities when on loan. The lad is a credit to himself and our club. I can think of some loanees who've graced our club with their presence who wouldn't have got that type of praise.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:01 pm

Hes gone out. Worked hard. Got rave reviews and could be looking at moving to league 1 level. A league below where we spent most of our last 20 years.

I think thats brilliant.

He could spend his weekends walking round in his burnley tracksuit and going out in illuminati...

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:16 pm

Young_Claret_91 wrote:"A complete waste of money"?

We have invested heavily in our new training centre at Gawthorpe over the last few years, enabling us to restructure our academy programme, making notable additions to the staff including Danny Cadamarteri. Who has led our current U18 squad to be sitting third in the professional development league. We are sitting above both Leeds & Sheff Utd, who are both success stories in terms of academy graduates getting first team game time. Changes will take time, of course, but the investment and fantastic training centre puts us in great stead for the future. With the Club having a coaching input for kids as young as 6 - it is obviously not possible for development success to be shown overnight in the form of creating the next wonderkid - as you appear to expect!

Once more, we are a club who prides itself in helping the local community - with a number of the U18s/23s being born and raised in the local area this is surely something that we should support. What could possibly be better than witnessing successful football careers for kids growing up as Burnley season ticket holders?

As a club that is seeing the most success now than it has in many decades, even more so from a financial perspective, we should only support decisions in the investment in our future, even if in this case success cannot be seen immediately. We are making huge strides towards this already.

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This is exactly the kind of stuff I am not fooled by, yeah its great we have new training facilities but that isn't much use to Jimmy Dunne who we signed from Man UTD who is now on loan at Accrington Stanley.

Much better of focusing on the first team and signing ample youngsters who have a higher chance of succeeding like we did with Ings, Gray and Austin. The money we put in would be better spent elsewhere. Again, a point I made earlier, there aren't many clubs in the PL fielding a lot of youth graduates and that is for a reason. We are aren't a charity for Burnleys youth's and most of our youth team players are not from Burnley.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:19 pm

The likes of Tarkowski and others are far more likely to commit to us if the working environment is as good as it is now. The setup at gawthorpe was tinpot for years. The investment is a sound one for the first team as much as anything. And if its good enough for them, its definitely going to go a long way to producing and attracting better young players in the future.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:23 pm

Gawthorpe is our training facility, youth set up, facilities etc are separate. There isn't a need to to justify better training facilities, everyone knows that is better for the first team, but to think that we have a promising youngster when he is on loan in the lower leagues is a joke.

We want to see our youth players playing regularly for Championship teams.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:44 pm

He has moved to league one. We were playing one level above that for the best part of the last 20 years. And at that for the prior 10!

Most of our players at that time were journeymen and older heads. So for a kid of his age to be breaking in at this level is pretty good. He is going to be coming up against some experienced players and some proper blokes. He is going to be up against players like Nick Powell, Will Grigg, Brett Pitman who while they arent world beaters, they are very good at that level and will give him a great test.

Is he going to be the next Rio Ferdinand or John Terry? Maybe not. But both of them were loaned out at that same age, Rio to league 1 and Terry to the championship and played a whopping 16 games between them.

The experience (on and off the field) is vital.

I don't see the point in knocking him or the club. Hopefully he doesnt read this thread. In fact **** it hopefully he does and it encourages him even more!

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:26 am

Got to be dreaming if you think young kids will just be in demand from football league clubs. I hate that perception of a premier league club should have the youngsters on loan to a division or 2 below.
It's not at simple as that the main thing these kids will be learning is the demand of picking up 3 points along with growing up in a dressing room. Whether that's non league or wherever because half of these kids will have their confidence stuffed out of them being in a championship match day squad.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:34 am

Accy are in League 2

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:54 am

Sorry I heard he had gone to Fleetwood. Even so my point is largely the same.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:06 am

superdimitri wrote:Gawthorpe is our training facility, youth set up, facilities etc are separate. There isn't a need to to justify better training facilities, everyone knows that is better for the first team, but to think that we have a promising youngster when he is on loan in the lower leagues is a joke.

We want to see our youth players playing regularly for Championship teams.

So you mean it's a joke if they are loaned out in leagues one and below but great if it's in The Championship ?
The Championship is one of the strongest and biggest leagues in Europe - how many young lads do you think are getting into the championship sides.

There are so many examples of players who have been loaned out to the lower leagues who then went on to much bigger things - Cahill, Defoe, Terry etc etc

Not sure at all what your issue is here.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:12 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Sorry I heard he had gone to Fleetwood. Even so my point is largely the same.

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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:17 am

superdimitri wrote:Gawthorpe is our training facility, youth set up, facilities etc are separate. There isn't a need to to justify better training facilities, everyone knows that is better for the first team, but to think that we have a promising youngster when he is on loan in the lower leagues is a joke.

We want to see our youth players playing regularly for Championship teams.

Gawthorpe is our training facility for all the teams, not just the first team and the new facilities will help play a big part in bringing in kids just as much as it will first team players. Managers in the past have said our poor facilities have cost us signings at first team level and I can assure you it has also cost us young kids too. So there is very much a need to justify better training facilities, those facilities are key to the club moving forward at every level.

I'll repeat that Jimmy Dunne has never been a youth player at Burnley but what we want to see is our youth players, our under-23 players and our first team players all progressing. Whatever you think of Jimmy Dunne, he's certainly doing that. Up to end of 2015/16 he'd been playing youth team football before signing for Burnley. Last season he got games in the Premier League Cup for us, scoring a couple of goals too, and this season he's had half a season at Barrow and has now moved up a level. What a shame you think to be so critical of that and how on earth do you expect our youth players to be playing regularly for Championship teams? These are kids at 17 & 18.

steve1264b · Post by **steve1264b** » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:22 am

With todays transfer fees we only need one every so often to come through.
However given how far behind we were at youth level this will take time. Jimmy Dunne an excellent example of taking those released by bigger academies. However they are 17 etc so have different developmental needs.
We acquired Martin Dobson and Paul Fletcher this way. Also took a punt on Glen Little.
If we only loaned players to championship clubs we are cutting of our nose.
Metz (i know nothing about him) has signed for Chorley. They play Harrogate a full time team tomorrow. There is two ways to look at this. Either it will help him develop playing against men or the club have decided they wont need him next year and are getting him out there so he will get a contract somewhere next year. Either way its good for the player.