James McLean

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:39 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Havevt we enough bang average Irish players ? Long? Hendrick ? Walters? Ward? To need yet another hard working low end product guy?

Long
Great back up

Hendrick
Very talented player with potential to be a very good CM. Although he isn’t a CAM

Walters
Old but still decent enough

Ward
One of our best players in recent times. You say he has no end product despite him being one of our biggest attacking threats despite being a defender

I wouldn’t mind another Irishman. They have been great for our club.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:00 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Havevt we enough bang average Irish players ? Long? Hendrick ? Walters? Ward? To need yet another hard working low end product guy?

Ward...bang average?

Worst.
Fishing.
Attempt.
Ever.

0.5/10 Must do better

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:04 pm

Braindead wrote:Ward...bang average?

Worst.
Fishing.
Attempt.
Ever.

0.5/10 Must do better

I’m not sure that it’s even worth 0.5/10, an awful effort!!

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:08 pm

Do some people actually not realise we are SEVENTH (7th) IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE!?! Ridiculous negative comments.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:09 pm

Dom wrote:Don't rate the guy at all, as a footballer or a person.
His stats don't suggest a player that will be an improvement on what we already have. No thanks.

Certainly an upgrade on Arfield

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:11 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:How big a wage do you earn to pay for all the veterans out of your taxes?

Come on admit it, you haven't even paid enough back to cover your education?

I fully repaid my student loan a few years ago. That was on top of paying my taxes to fund the 'heroes' of the armed forces.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:18 pm

My likely ability to sign the right players even excludes me from managing a fantasy football team. I trust SD to make what decision he wishes and I will be happier with some signings more than others. I haven't disagreed with any of his signings yet but I reserve the right to do so in the future if I wish. I hope that's ok.

On footballing reasons I'd fully understand it. But there is nothing on a football reason for us not sign him.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:21 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I fully repaid my student loan a few years ago. That was on top of paying my taxes to fund the 'heroes' of the armed forces.

I was more thinking of the schooling that the state provides free but at cost to the taxpayer.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:26 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:Havevt we enough bang average Irish players ? Long? Hendrick ? Walters? Ward? To need yet another hard working low end product guy?

What a stupid post.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:32 pm

HatfieldClaret wrote:Wont be happy to see a burnley shirt in November without the poppy.

Good player but no thanks from me.

I very much dought Dyche will make a decision based on whether a player chooses not to wear a poppy.
Ive got no problem whatsoever with a Burnley player not wearing a poppy.
(Incidentally most of my family have been in the Army believing they were fighting for freedom. )

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:34 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:On footballing reasons I'd fully understand it. But there is nothing on a football reason for us not sign him.

Apart from the fact that he's not very good.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:40 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:That was on top of paying my taxes to fund the 'heroes' of the armed forces.

Much appreciated too.

UK Armed Forces - keeping keyboard warriors safe since the advent of the internet.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:41 pm

But he is good though

Thats kinda the whole point, the only reason people don't want to sign him appears to be for non-footballing reasons.

I get that if its Nile Ranger, but not if its James McClean

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:47 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Much appreciated too.

UK Armed Forces - keeping keyboard warriors safe since the advent of the internet.

What was the last time the UK was invaded?

What purpose does the modern army serve?

Our enemies aren't other armies any more, it's not the 1870s

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:56 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:What was the last time the UK was invaded?

What purpose does the modern army serve?

Our enemies aren't other armies any more, it's not the 1870s

One reason for having armed forces is to act as a deterrent.

The fact we haven’t been invaded for a while would indicate it’s working

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:00 pm

i'm pretty relaxed about this transfer wouldn't be a bad signing lots of PL experience knows the other Irish lads,all that being said i hope we don't pay silly money good squad player but not a match winner which we lack.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:03 pm

Hell of a cast this. 5 pages so far.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:17 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:What was the last time the UK was invaded?

What purpose does the modern army serve?

Our enemies aren't other armies any more, it's not the 1870s

Appreciate we're straying well of topic, but:

1. Already mentioned by other posts, deterrent. Clearly the Falklands as an Overseas British Territory, was the last time British soil was invaded. Prior to that, I'm pretty confident that had the RAF not won the Battle of Britain in 1940, thus preventing German air superiority and thereby not allowing them to neutralise the Royal Navy, then the Wehrmacht would have been across in a flash.

2. A question I ask daily..............

3. Correct. Our enemies also have Chemical, Biological, Nuclear and Radiological weapons. They have submarines, ships, ICBMs, long range bombers, cyber, special forces and a whole list of other threats.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:35 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I was more thinking of the schooling that the state provides free but at cost to the taxpayer.

Does it cost the taxpayer net?
Or do the benefits of a state education bring a net benefit to the economy as a whole?

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:43 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Appreciate we're straying well of topic, but:

1. Already mentioned by other posts, deterrent. Clearly the Falklands as an Overseas British Territory, was the last time British soil was invaded. Prior to that, I'm pretty confident that had the RAF not won the Battle of Britain in 1940, thus preventing German air superiority and thereby not allowing them to neutralise the Royal Navy, then the Wehrmacht would have been across in a flash.

2. A question I ask daily..............

3. Correct. Our enemies also have Chemical, Biological, Nuclear and Radiological weapons. They have submarines, ships, ICBMs, long range bombers, cyber, special forces and a whole list of other threats.

Don’t bite mate. He’s an ignorant bigot who has no grasp on reality.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:50 pm

While calling the bulk of the Irish lads “bang average” naturally made a few snowflake Uber fans sh1t the bed, perhaps the context was lost.
“Bang average “as in a premier league context, all
Perfectly decent players in their own right but would hardly interest other prem teams . Maclean imo would just add another average back up to the squad (though granted he’s better than Scotty to be fair)
Be nice to add a touch of flair and creativity while Brady( non bang average) is out

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:51 pm

I could see us signing him, and him doing well for us.
He looks like an angry man, and he's no flair player - which is what we really want - but he'd help keep us at this level next season

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:55 pm

Bid in yet?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:12 pm

Do we really need another Irish international? Just asking. (and it's spelt McClean).

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:25 pm

We could really do with some midfielders/wingers with goals in them. McLeans record at WBA doesn't suggest that.
Anything over £6 million and we've been ripped off.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:29 pm

Were we not reported to have had a bid for him rejected back in the summer?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:29 pm

ABC still doesn't rate him.

Sign him up Dyche!!

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:We could really do with some midfielders/wingers with goals in them. McLeans record at WBA doesn't suggest that.
Anything over £6 million and we've been ripped off.

You said you'd pay £8m yourself just the other day on this very thread

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:45 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:You said you'd pay £8m yourself just the other day on this very thread

He's a few days older now, obviously that's a reflection of the new valuation!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:35 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Does it cost the taxpayer net?
Or do the benefits of a state education bring a net benefit to the economy as a whole?

Who knows?

I was just pointing out the average mans taxes don't pay for everything they claim it does.

watsonsclarets · Post by **watsonsclarets** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:00 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:I fully repaid my student loan a few years ago. That was on top of paying my taxes to fund the 'heroes' of the armed forces.

Now that's the issue I have myself and many people I have served with for the last 18 years don't see ourselves as 'heroes'. What I do consider a hero is the people we have lost along the way including my Cousin, as for Mclean I have no opinion apart from I think he would make us better as a team.
Ref: Poppies and what not that's his choice, not mine but I would never slate a person for not wearing one it none of my business.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:17 pm

I said £8 million absolute tops but for me £6million is being ripped off so £8 well we've been truly screwed but that's the nature of football nowadays.
Look elsewhere.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:37 am

Spijed wrote:Certainly an upgrade on Arfield

Past 5 years at Championship and PL level, Arfield has scored 22 goals. McClean has scored 15 goals. Arfield has assisted 12 goals. McClean has assisted 14. McClean's disciplinary record is significantly worse. In what way is he "certainly an upgrade on Arfield"?

It's almost like for like. Why do we need to spend money on a 6 months younger version of Scott Arfield?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:42 am

Dom wrote:Past 5 years at Championship and PL level, Arfield has scored 22 goals. McClean has scored 15 goals. Arfield has assisted 12 goals. McClean has assisted 14. McClean's disciplinary record is significantly worse. In what way is he "certainly an upgrade on Arfield"?

It's almost like for like. Why do we need to spend money on a 6 months younger version of Scott Arfield?

You've got McClean's stats wrong.

15 goals, 19 assists.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:47 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:You've got McClean's stats wrong.

15 goals, 19 assists.

Point still stands UTB, he's six months younger than Arfield and not an obvious improvement and yet the rumoured price of £8-15m is being knocked about, we need better than McClean.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:50 am

Dom wrote:Point still stands UTB, he's six months younger than Arfield and not an obvious improvement and yet the rumoured price of £8-15m is being knocked about, we need better than McClean.

He's a different player though.

McClean is much more direct, comfortable running with the ball and stretching play from defence to attack.

That's what we need, and that isn't what Arfield does.

He grafts, he gets stuck in, he 'tracks back'.

He's everything Dyche looks for in a player.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:54 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:He's a different player though.

McClean is much more direct, comfortable running with the ball and stretching play from defence to attack.

That's what we need, and that isn't what Arfield does.

He grafts, he gets stuck in, he 'tracks back'.

He's everything Dyche looks for in a player.

Everything but end product clearly, if we want to go up a level from where we are we need better than McClean.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:05 am

Thing is Dom, signing him frees up Arfield as competition for Hendrick as well.

The way we play, we need more options on the wings to change and influence games, and players like McClean do give us those options

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:06 am

Dom wrote:Everything but end product clearly, if we want to go up a level from where we are we need better than McClean.

End product isn't one of Dyche's priorities. We're still one of the lowest scorers in the league, despite our lofty position. Barnes often doesn't have much end product, Arfield doesn't, Brady for ages got pelters for having no end product.

The one player who did have end product but didn't contribute to the team in other ways, Andre Gray, got bombed out.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:30 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:End product isn't one of Dyche's priorities. We're still one of the lowest scorers in the league, despite our lofty position. Barnes often doesn't have much end product, Arfield doesn't, Brady for ages got pelters for having no end product.

The one player who did have end product but didn't contribute to the team in other ways, Andre Gray, got bombed out.

Gray hardly got bombed out, he was out of contract at the end of the season so it made total financial sense to sell him.
I don't think a player of McClean's age or ability will help us anymore than what we already have.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:32 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Thing is Dom, signing him frees up Arfield as competition for Hendrick as well.

The way we play, we need more options on the wings to change and influence games, and players like McClean do give us those options

Arfield shouldn't be the competition for Hendrick, again we need to start looking up not down in terms of squad progression. We've slowly improved in areas and I hope we will continue to do so. I just don't see more of the same as an improvement.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:47 am

ontario claret wrote:Do we really need another Irish international?.

What on earth does his nationality matter?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:53 am

He isn't a step up to Arfield at all, people just want him to sign so it stirs things up in November.

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:35 pm

He isn't a step up to Arfield at all, people just want him to sign so it stirs things up in November.
He is a massive step up from Arfield and give us more variations.

50 shades of Grey · Post by **50 shades of Grey** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:46 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:
End product isn't one of Dyche's priorities.

UpTheBeehole wrote:
What was the last time the UK was invaded?
What purpose does the modern army serve?
Our enemies aren't other armies any more, it's not the 1870s

Yes folks, I know it's hard to believe, but these individuals are out there, living freely amongst us.

Truly hilarious stuff.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:51 pm

TopCat wrote:He isn't a step up to Arfield at all, people just want him to sign so it stirs things up in November.
He is a massive step up from Arfield and give us more variations.

In what way?

Goals? Assists? Attacking nature? Defensive? Knowing our system?

His stats don't seem to suggest it.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:08 pm

Never really seen that much of him so cannot make any assumptions on whether he would fit into the framework or not, my issue would be trying to deal with WBA as they seem to love getting one over on us, so if we have nicked Gorgeous George from Tottenham under there noses

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:18 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:End product isn't one of Dyche's priorities. We're still one of the lowest scorers in the league, despite our lofty position. Barnes often doesn't have much end product, Arfield doesn't, Brady for ages got pelters for having no end product.

The one player who did have end product but didn't contribute to the team in other ways, Andre Gray, got bombed out.

Gray wasn't top scorer last season, so he clearly wasn't the only player with "end product".

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:24 pm

dsr wrote:Gray wasn't top scorer last season, so he clearly wasn't the only player with "end product".

He got bombed out mid season

otto1959 · Post by **otto1959** » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:02 pm

50 shades of Grey wrote:UpTheBeehole wrote:
End product isn't one of Dyche's priorities.

UpTheBeehole wrote:
What was the last time the UK was invaded?
What purpose does the modern army serve?
Our enemies aren't other armies any more, it's not the 1870s

Yes folks, I know it's hard to believe, but these individuals are out there, living freely amongst us.

Truly hilarious stuff.

Up the Beehole has become my new number 1 numpty on this message board.