Jay Rodriguez

[Rick_Muller]

There is only one racist on this thread.

And because he's not nearly as clever as hiding it as he thinks he is, everyone knows who it is as well.

and that doesn't help either, it's just as antagonistic as he is with you - please just let the comments about other posters drop and allow the debate to continue.

[claretandy]

There is only one racist on this thread.

And because he's not nearly as clever as hiding it as he thinks he is, everyone knows who it is as well.

When Jayrod is cleared, will you be calling Bong out for playing the race card ?

[Inchy]

I don't often agree with Rick Muller on here but I wont just disagree with him for the sake of it.


If some kids were behaving like that I would tell the mother her kids are running around like wild animals, sort it out.

Why should one group of misbehaving kids spoil all the other kids fun? If I was having a bad week and they knocked my sons drink over I would probably say worse than that.

[Chobulous]

Further explanation of the circumstances from RM has added a bit more context and I can see the point he is trying to make. I don't know him or his partner so I'll just take his assertion that no racism was intended at face value. However, using words like feral to describe someone's kids, however badly behaved, is going to invoke a reaction. Feral is not exactly a word in common use, although I notice that daft bint that won in the jungle used it in every sentence, so maybe that's it. RM's partner is a Made in Chelsea fan and has Georgia Toffolo as a role model.

[TVC15]

We are a bit off topic here !
RM - i don`t think for one minute that using the term feral is racist in any form whatsoever. However, it`s also a word that is going to provoke a reaction from most parents. I`m not saying that what their children were doing was right and it sounds like the parents should have stepped in to control them. At the same time your other half had no need to use that word in getting her point across.

As for Jay Rod from looking at the pictures on TV he did not say anything to the Brighton player. The gesture he made could not be construed as racist in my view - but we now have a black manager and a black player who seem to be making a big deal of it so Jay might find himself unjustly in trouble here.

I used to quite like Chris Hughton but lost quite a lot of respect for him this season - not only with this incident but also his reaction after the game against us.

If Jay Rod gets done for this the world has gone mad.

[Inchy]

I would use the word feral to get a reaction, if politeness has failed.

[Lancasterclaret]

Apologies Rick, you are quite correct

[vinrogue]

I watched the latest I'm A celebrity, (yes I know), well that posh lass called Toff described most things as Feral, it sounded very down with the kids and on that same tac I listen to a grandchild say that something is "sick" which means great apparently. Not every word uttered do I understand anymore and equally not every post on here am I able to follow. This Jay Rod thread has lost me! I think the saying is "I'm out on this thread"!

[spadesclaret]

We are a bit off topic here !
RM - i don`t think for one minute that using the term feral is racist in any form whatsoever. However, it`s also a word that is going to provoke a reaction from most parents. I`m not saying that what their children were doing was right and it sounds like the parents should have stepped in to control them. At the same time your other half had no need to use that word in getting her point across

'feral' is a perfectly good word. Please don't try to turn it into something it isn't. From RM's description those children were running wild. Do you find the phrase 'running wild' offensive or upsetting? Feral describes them accurately.

[Rick_Muller]

Further explanation of the circumstances from RM has added a bit more context and I can see the point he is trying to make.

thanks

I don't know him or his partner so I'll just take his assertion that no racism was intended at face value. However, using words like feral to describe someone's kids, however badly behaved, is going to invoke a reaction. Feral is not exactly a word in common use, although I notice that daft bint that won in the jungle used it in every sentence, so maybe that's it. RM's partner is a Made in Chelsea fan and has Georgia Toffolo as a role model.

I think possibly without realising you have further highlighted my point.

We live in the South of the country and the word feral is fairly common in our vocabulary where we are, and it is often used to describe children who are misbehaving in the village on the social media pages - as such my other half also uses it as part of her normal vocabulary (She cant stand any of the fake "reality" TV, so she wont know who you are on about in reference to Georgia Toffolo). Whilst this is the case, as some on here have commented, the understanding of this very same word in a different part of the same country has different connotations and as such a different reaction to the use of the word.

Back to Jay Rod and Bong - it is entirely feasible that Jay Rod used language that he really doesn't think is nasty or racist, but merely offensive to have a dig at Bong; whereas Bong has heard the language used and understood it to be racist in nature.

[TVC15]

'feral' is a perfectly good word. Please don't try to turn it into something it isn't. From RM's description those children were running wild. Do you find the phrase 'running wild' offensive or upsetting? Feral describes them accurately.

What ? Not trying to turn this into anything.
We`ll have to agree to disagree on whether "feral" is a perfectly good word as you say.

The definition of feral extends to far more than just running wild. Whether she meant to use it in true sense I don`t know (I doubt very much she did from what RM is saying) but its not hard to understand why a parent would take offence.

I would not take offence at the phrase running wild and I doubt very much whether the parent or any parent would either. She didn`t use that term though did she ?

You might want to look up what it actually means.

[UpTheBeehole]

Feral is a horrid, sneering term. No wonder she took offence.

[Rick_Muller]

You might want to look up what it actually means.

I didn't need to look it up as it means exactly what my other half meant. However, for clarity...

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1.2 (of a young person) behaving in a wildly undisciplined and antisocial way.
‘gangs of feral youths’
More example sentences
‘The press was full of stuff about mindless violence by feral kids.’
‘It was inevitable that a feral teenager in a stolen car was going to run over someone.’
‘If our welfare and education systems had not created an underclass of feral youths, he and his friends would not have been the victims of mob violence.’
‘Opening with a shocking assault committed by a group of feral teenagers, this film then rolls back time and examines the events leading up to the attack and the reasons behind it.’
‘Michael's family called for his killers to be given long jail sentences as a deterrent to 'the feral youths who terrorise our society'.’
‘in pockets of society, there are so-called feral youngsters who have no respect for the elderly and the law.’
‘Anti-social behaviour, feral youth and weakening of communities form a triad of concerns that cuts across politics.’
‘These boys were painted by the authorities as monsters, symbolic of everything from the collapse of family values to the rise of a feral underclass.’
‘Aren't the feral, criminal children likely to find themselves expelled or excluded shortly after getting back into school?’
‘The adult members of society are under curfew and the elderly under house arrest: feral youth has taken over.’
‘We were feral kids who were fed and got to watch TV but then were left completely to our own devices.’
‘The play follows a group of feral youths who spend their days drifting from crime to crime, smoking dope and stealing petrol, seemingly unsupervised by adults.’
‘The main concern among those working with feral children is that the government's anti-social behaviour agenda will further marginalise them.’
‘Feral children are blamed for a quarter of all street assaults and robberies.’
‘Feral children roaming neighbourhoods do cause great distress.’
‘In an interview last week to mark the end of his time as Metropolitan Police Commissioner, he said that each London borough has between 20 and 60 feral children causing vast levels of crime.’

As I have said above, even different understandings of the same word in the same society and country can cause an issue, as we can note from this - it is understandable that there may be a similar misunderstanding between 2 players of different countries as with Jay Rod and Bong.

[Sidney1st]

So are we saying we should avoid using the word Feral?

Can we still call them other names?
Annoying brats?

[UpTheBeehole]

I didn't need to look it up as it means exactly what my other half meant. However, for clarity...

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



As I have said above, even different understandings of the same word in the same society and country can cause an issue, as we can note from this - it is understandable that there may be a similar misunderstanding between 2 players of different countries as with Jay Rod and Bong.

It's one thing for a newspaper to apply broad strokes and call gangs of youths feral, but another for one mother to say to another mother's face that her children are feral

[duncandisorderly]

It's one thing for a newspaper to apply broad strokes and call gangs of youths feral, but another for one mother to say to another mother's face that her children are feral

It's not really though. In fact, having ones children referred to as 'feral' might spur one into better brat management.

Sometimes folk just need telling and if you let your little darlings run amok then sooner or later someone is going to call you out on it.

[Inchy]

If I had done something similar as a kid it would have been dealt with instantly by my dad. If someone said to my dad "your son is acting feral" my dad would have rollocked me, not taken offence at the women.

If my son was running round causing trouble at bowling and a women politely informed me of that I would deal with it straight away.


Nothing round with describing kids as feral. UTB is on a wind up don't bite

[TVC15]

I didn't need to look it up as it means exactly what my other half meant. However, for clarity...

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feral" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



As I have said above, even different understandings of the same word in the same society and country can cause an issue, as we can note from this - it is understandable that there may be a similar misunderstanding between 2 players of different countries as with Jay Rod and Bong.

I wasn't asking you to look up the meaning of the word.
But since you have and you have quoted how it can be used it are you seriously saying that your wife was using the words in the context of the above you have quoted ?

[titsoutforthelads]

Some of you really do have too much time on your hands.
Rick ,with a young family,how have you found the time to post all day.

Or is it in works time

[Marney&Mee]

why was J Rod in that bowling alley anyway ? Beggars belief...

[Rick_Muller]

I wasn't asking you to look up the meaning of the word.
But since you have and you have quoted how it can be used it are you seriously saying that your wife was using the words in the context of the above you have quoted ?

Yes - as in "1.2 (of a young person) behaving in a wildly undisciplined and antisocial way."

What is so difficult to understand about that? (and as stated above, she isn't my wife)

Some of you really do have too much time on your hands.
Rick ,with a young family,how have you found the time to post all day.

Or is it in works time

I'm not sure that my personal circumstances contribute to the thread in anyway, but as you have asked I happen to work a desk job and I have many things on the go in at any one time and in my "waiting" moments I read the forum and in my breaks too, but as I said, not sure it matters or contributes at all really.

why was J Rod in that bowling alley anyway ? Beggars belief...

I don't think I saw him there, but perhaps he was allegedly telling someone in a broad East Lancs accent "oi, Back off, you stink" which, to someone from another country, may have been heard as "you black an' you stink", hypothetically of course...

[dsr]

I think the technical difference between "feral" and "running wild" may be that children who are running wild can be brought back under control; children who are feral can't. I don't see it makes any practical difference in this case - it doesn't improve the situation if you think the mother could have brought them under control, but chose not to.

[UpTheBeehole]

If someone had to raise this directly with the parent rather than let the staff sort it out, then the question would be 'Please could you control your children?'

There's no need for the word 'feral' in the slightest.

[starting_11]

...I take it you don't see many kids or do a school run?

[claretandy]

I thought it was chavs who were meant to take their kids side overs the teachers when the kids got told off but from the evidence of this thread it's liberals who do.

BTW if my kids had been misbehaving, and I didn't know about it I would have apologised, then asked them what they were playing at but each to their own.

[TVC15]

[quote="Rick_Muller"]Yes - as in "1.2 (of a young person) behaving in a wildly undisciplined and antisocial way."

What is so difficult to understand about that? (and as stated above, she isn't my wife)

Given you have listed a dozen or so very different contexts to how it can be used surely it's not too difficult for you to understand how someone could take offence at using the term ?

As already said there was no need to use that term.

[UpTheBeehole]

...I take it you don't see many kids or do a school run?

I see my kids every time I go home in an evening

[conyoviejo]

feral
ADJECTIVE

1(especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication.
‘a feral cat’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Resembling or characteristic of a wild animal.
‘his teeth were bared in a feral snarl’

More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 (of a young person) behaving in a wildly undisciplined and antisocial way.
‘gangs of feral youths’

[UpTheBeehole]

I thought it was chavs who were meant to take their kids side overs the teachers when the kids got told off but from the evidence of this thread it's liberals who do.

BTW if my kids had been misbehaving, and I didn't know about it I would have apologised, then asked them what they were playing at but each to their own.

What if someone asked you to control your feral children?

[Sidney1st]

Depends on what the kids were doing to be called Feral.

If they were being horrible little sods then they'd get told off for it.
If they weren't but were being naughty they'd be told off for that.

In both instances I'd apologize for the behaviour of my kids, because if someone feels the need to raise a concern then that's fair enough.

[conyoviejo]

Depends on what the kids were doing to be called Feral.

If they were being horrible little sods then they'd get told off for it.
If they weren't but were being naughty they'd be told off for that.

In both instances I'd apologize for the behaviour of my kids, because if someone feels the need to raise a concern then that's fair enough.

Any normal caring parents who were with their children wouldn't let them behave like that in the first place.. Maybe the "parents" are feral as well ..

[Burnleybabe]

Devils advocate here.

Would there have been such a long discussion if the 2 ladies had been of the same race????
I was brought up to behave as where my children. Why should I have to put up with disruptive children when I go out.

I always have and will continue to tell parents to keep their Children under control.

At the same time I will complimented Parents on their children's good behavior, as I did last week in a restaurant.

[starting_11]

Any normal caring parents who were with their children wouldn't let them behave like that in the first place.. Maybe the "parents" are feral as well ..

That's usually the case.

[starting_11]

Speaking of Feral - there's this crazy woman who lives round the corner.

The house is always a mad house when you walk past it, kids screaming etc.

I see her dropping her kids off at school, they're always unseatbelted and jumping around inside the car.

We were at the pub once, she was letting her 5 year old drink her white wine whilst her 18 month or so was crawling on the floor, all the way to behind the bar.

I'd describe that as feral.

[Lowbankclaret]

I see loads of feral kids when out and about.

[claretandy]

What if someone asked you to control your feral children?

If like in the example I had ignored previous requests, then fair enough.

BTW my kids have been praised for their behavior on flights abroad, so it would never happen.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Quite a fascinating discussion above (the sensible posts anyway), all going to show how hard it is to communicate effectively nowadays, coupled with the added difficulty that some folk (minorities of many different kinds) get a free pass due to people being unwilling to tackle them probably due to political correctness (in Rick’s case, the lady in the bowling alley).

The answer is definitely not changing direction on rights to minorities, or indeed the wider population.

The answer is probably to do with a proactive drive to communicate, and then to enforce legally, what it means to be British. Our minimum acceptable standards if you will. Not just targeted at migrants and minorities, but at everyone falling below this standard.

That means the government making it clear that unruly behaviour won’t be tolerated, by adults or kids, no matter who does it. It means no littering. It means courtesy and respect. In the Premier League, it means enough of this winding each other up with abuse within earshot of fans.

All a bit Utopian, but these things have been avoided for far too many years due to fear up upsetting certain mindsets. A bit less liberal, a bit more authoritarian, but not a total u-turn. If the government tackle it, things will slowly get better, not worse.

[Hipper]

I would use the word feral to get a reaction, if politeness has failed.

Time for a song - and a solution if you like! Whenever Kindness Fails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz47SXpbYdw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lord Rothbury]

Feral is a horrid, sneering term. No wonder she took offence.

Got to love the Libtards on this board . If you take your children out to a place of public entertainment teach them how to behave or be prepared to be offended .

[aggi]

The answer is probably to do with a proactive drive to communicate, and then to enforce legally, what it means to be British. Our minimum acceptable standards if you will. Not just targeted at migrants and minorities, but at everyone falling below this standard.

I'm pretty sure we already have those, they're called laws.

[Lancasterclaret]

All a bit Utopian,

Er no, thats a lot fascist

Of course kids should behave, and I'll join the list of posters saying how well behaved mine are, and that we are told that all the time.

But not everybody is like me, or BB, or andy or anyone.

The way to change it is education and tolerance.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Speaking of Feral - there's this crazy woman who lives round the corner.

The house is always a mad house when you walk past it, kids screaming etc.

I see her dropping her kids off at school, they're always unseatbelted and jumping around inside the car.

We were at the pub once, she was letting her 5 year old drink her white wine whilst her 18 month or so was crawling on the floor, all the way to behind the bar.

I'd describe that as feral.

I'd wonder why she hadn't been barred and slung out with her feral kids tbh

[starting_11]

The guy behind the bar was clearly shocked... I don't think he knew what to do.

[ŽižkovClaret]

The guy behind the bar was clearly shocked... I don't think he knew what to do.

One might suggest he was in the wrong profession ha

[Loyalclaret]

Devils advocate here

I always have and will continue to tell parents to keep their Children under control.

At the same time I will complimented Parents on their children's good behavior, as I did last week in a restaurant.

Devils advocate here

Could be embarrassing if that child had problems that you couldn’t see, for example autism, you’d feel pretty self righteous then Burnleybabe for your constructive criticism

[jrgbfc]

Anyone else get the feeling this thread has gone a little off topic?

[john'sroseyspecs]

I don't think Jay said anything really nasty. He's a well brought up young man. There, back on topic. Sort of..

[Burnleybabe]

Devils advocate here

Could be embarrassing if that child had problems that you couldn’t see, for example autism, you’d feel pretty self righteous then Burnleybabe for your constructive criticism

Would I ???

I may be I am aware enough to know the difference.

[Dazzler]

So are we saying we should avoid using the word Feral?

Can we still call them other names?
Annoying brats?

Only if they are white brats

[tim_noone]

Back on topic Rodriguez will be done for dissent IMO. Certain gestures come under this rule and he made a gesture that have alerted the authorities.