Glenn Murray locked up

[Clarinetclaret]

You need to stick your 3AM drunken ramblings Clarinet

Or have you started therapy for your problem now?

It's called working nights you imbecile! I have definitely hit a nerve. Too cowardly to attend the meal because you know behind your online persona that you are a drip of the highest order. Just a lonely keyboard warrior that spends all his waking day hitting refresh on here. Such a sad little life you must have

[pushpinpussy]

Another one who won't attend the meal off here because you know in real life that you'd be laughed at

that's a bit of a bully boy comment. not impressed

[UpTheBeehole]

Ironically I won't be at the meal because I have a life.

[pushpinpussy]

lets hope they have an Happy Meal on the menu

[Sidney1st]

Ironically I won't be at the meal because I have a life.

Talking more rubbish I see.

You'll be on here arguing with me over some other rubbish, you know it

[UpTheBeehole]

Talking more rubbish I see.

You'll be on here arguing with me over some other rubbish, you know it

I don't view the site on a weekend, again, because I have a life.

We'll reconvene on the Monday morning.

[biggles]

Two men look through prison bars one sees mud the other sees stars...

I saw Mud once. And they really were stars in the 70's.

[Blackrod]

You can be locked up in a cell when arrested.

[turfytopper]

With his wife for a £1.1m tax fraud

Hi there, what is the source? I cannot find anything mentioned on the BBC.

[TVC15]

Its on the bbc sport main page

[turfytopper]

Its on the bbc sport main page

Thanks. For anyone wanting a link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42809696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing to do with Murray but ....
It does make me wonder how many UK footballers are involved in tax avoidance or tax evasion schemes.

[paulus the woodgnome]

He is a broken hand grabbing g1t

[tim_noone]

who is Glenn Murray???

Exactly who is he?

[paulus the woodgnome]

He is the Brighton striker that The Otter elbowed, leading to Tarks 3 game ban

[BarstewardsEnquiry]

Glen Murray is about 50 miles west of Inverness, at the head of Loch Murray situated under the impressive Beinn Murray, but it's nowhere near Andy Murray!

[tim_noone]

He is the Brighton striker that The Otter elbowed, leading to Tarks 3 game ban

Ahh of course...I was thinking maybe the football league man. Good enough for him then.

[Dark Cloud]

Two men look through prison bars one sees mud the other sees stars...

I saw Mud once. And they really were stars in the 70's.

I used to like Mud back then and bought several of their records. But looking at them now they were just sh*t!!

[Clarinetclaret]

Another one who won't attend the meal off here because you know in real life that you'd be laughed at

that's a bit of a bully boy comment. not impressed

Haha you're so aptly named. How old do you think he is, 12? I'm pretty sure an adult who spends most of his time on here arguing and deliberately writing posts to get attention is hardly going to go crying in a corner from some verbals on a message board.
Not impressed are you, grow a pair you bloody wimp!

[geopancake]

Potential headlines include:

Murray Head ing for gaol.
Murray minted?

[Sidney1st]

Thanks. For anyone wanting a link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42809696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing to do with Murray but ....
It does make me wonder how many UK footballers are involved in tax avoidance or tax evasion schemes.

I've read about one player, Pogba I think, whose image rights etc are paid to a company in the channel islands.
There will be more but until someone decides it's an issue nothing will happen.

[Bfcboyo]

let's hope the cheat will be diving in a different kind of box once he gets in those prison showers

I don't quite get this. It almost reads like you hope he bums people in the showers??

Little bit weird.

[pushpinpussy]

Haha you're so aptly named. How old do you think he is, 12? I'm pretty sure an adult who spends most of his time on here arguing and deliberately writing posts to get attention is hardly going to go crying in a corner from some verbals on a message board.
Not impressed are you, grow a pair you bloody wimp!

Bullying is cruel and a terrible thing to do to someone. If you are being bullied by Clarinet or others it is not your fault.It's the bully who's insecure.

[NRC]

Surely arrested means there has been the formality of a person being formally read their rights that they are suspected of a crime, and that from that moment on anything said or done can be taken into consideration within the investigation process pending potential charges.

For all we know this all happened accompanied by a pot of tea all round in the Murrays’ lounge, a chat was had, and the HRMC officials then left....

[BarstewardsEnquiry]

Surely arrested means there has been the formality of a person being formally read their rights that they are suspected of a crime, and that from that moment on anything said or done can be taken into consideration within the investigation process pending potential charges.

For all we know this all happened accompanied by a pot of tea all round in the Murrays’ lounge, a chat was had, and the HRMC officials then left....

So what are you saying NRC? That he wasn't locked up?

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Surely arrested means there has been the formality of a person being formally read their rights that they are suspected of a crime, and that from that moment on anything said or done can be taken into consideration within the investigation process pending potential charges.

For all we know this all happened accompanied by a pot of tea all round in the Murrays’ lounge, a chat was had, and the HRMC officials then left....

You don’t need to be arrested for that, just cautioned. When you’re arrested you’re taken into custody, ie your liberty has been taken away from you.

[timshorts]

Potential headlines include:

Murray Head ing for gaol.
Murray minted?

I think I'd prefer - Judge Prosser explained the comparatively long custodial sentence imposed saying that "Mr. Murray was entitled to go down".

[Vegas Claret]

No income tax
no VAT
no money back
it's Glenn Murray

[pushpinpussy]

I don't quite get this. It almost reads like you hope he bums people in the showers??

Little bit weird.

yes and in a way it gets forced on him. blatant cheating git

[Steddyman]

Brighton have confirmed he will be in the starting line-up on Saturday. But then again, they already knew he was a cheat.

[aggi]

Thanks. For anyone wanting a link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42809696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing to do with Murray but ....
It does make me wonder how many UK footballers are involved in tax avoidance or tax evasion schemes.

Any Premier League footballer who isn't involved in tax avoidance should sack their advisers and employ some competent ones. Given the salaries you'd fully expect steps to be taken to minimise the tax bill.

[turfytopper]

Any Premier League footballer who isn't involved in tax avoidance should sack their advisers and employ some competent ones. Given the salaries you'd fully expect steps to be taken to minimise the tax bill.

Which is why I included evasion, which is illegal.....that said some “competent” tax advisors may advise some pretty clever schemes that look a great way of legally avoiding tax....some of these schemes can later be declared as evasion.

EG the dodgy film investment scheme:-
Source Financial Times

The Supreme Court today (15 November) ruled against users of a failed tax avoidance film partnership scheme, which tried to use legitimate investment in the film industry as a hook for tax avoidance.

Furthermore all footballers should pay PAYE and NIC (both employee and employers). I say this as they are employed...they cannot by HMRC’s own rules be self employed. They have a contract of employment, they cannot sub contract, they do not provide their own tools, they do not quote for each piece if work, If the HMRC ever lifted the lid on the professional footballer they would crawl all over it.

[Bfcboyo]

yes and in a way it gets forced on him. blatant cheating git

You want him to experience male rape in the showers for tax evasion.

You don't mean that !

Do you work for HMRC by any chance?

[aggi]

Which is why I included evasion, which is illegal.....that said some “competent” tax advisors may advise some pretty clever schemes that look a great way of legally avoiding tax....some of these schemes can later be declared as evasion.

EG the dodgy film investment scheme:-
Source Financial Times

The Supreme Court today (15 November) ruled against users of a failed tax avoidance film partnership scheme, which tried to use legitimate investment in the film industry as a hook for tax avoidance.

Furthermore all footballers should pay PAYE and NIC (both employee and employers). I say this as they are employed...they cannot by HMRC’s own rules be self employed. They have a contract of employment, they cannot sub contract, they do not provide their own tools, they do not quote for each piece if work, If the HMRC ever lifted the lid on the professional footballer they would crawl all over it.

Salaries do come through PAYE but there are many other commercial opportunities for a player where it would be very inefficient to take them as salary.

Obviously planning runs through from simple things like pensions through to highly dubious like dodgy film schemes and registering your jet in the Isle of Man.

[dsr]

The most common way for a footballer to avoid tax is to set up an overseas limited company to handle his image rights, and get a large chunk of his "salary" paid by his club to that company. This gives the club the right to use his image as a way of making money - eg. names on shirts, pictures in programmes, etc. It has to be proportionate - if Burnley said they were paying Tom Heaton £10k per year for playing football and £2m for image rights, it would be laughable and would be overturned. But if it was say £1.8m for football and £200k for image rights, it could work. Obviously the clubs like Man U with huge overseas markets could justify larger payments.

If the company is in the UK, it pays tax at about 20% instead of the 47% that an individual pays at top rate (including National Insurance. The club benefits big style as well, because image rights aren't subject to 13% employer's NIC.) But if the company's abroad, eg. Jersey, Bermuda, etc., then the company pays no tax at all and the individual won't be taxed until he brings it back to the UK. If he buys property abroad with it, like Lineker, then he never pays UK tax on it.

[bfcjg]

I bet Tarks is smirking.

[COYC73]

With his wife for a £1.1m tax fraud

How long has he been locked up for....?

[pushpinpussy]

You want him to experience male rape in the showers for tax evasion.

You don't mean that !

Do you work for HMRC by any chance?

I take it you don't realise that tax evasion is a very serious offence. he deserves anything he gets. I also take it by your initial stance that you don't pay tax yourself. unemployed I guess.

[aggi]

The most common way for a footballer to avoid tax is to set up an overseas limited company to handle his image rights, and get a large chunk of his "salary" paid by his club to that company. This gives the club the right to use his image as a way of making money - eg. names on shirts, pictures in programmes, etc. It has to be proportionate - if Burnley said they were paying Tom Heaton £10k per year for playing football and £2m for image rights, it would be laughable and would be overturned. But if it was say £1.8m for football and £200k for image rights, it could work. Obviously the clubs like Man U with huge overseas markets could justify larger payments.

If the company is in the UK, it pays tax at about 20% instead of the 47% that an individual pays at top rate (including National Insurance. The club benefits big style as well, because image rights aren't subject to 13% employer's NIC.) But if the company's abroad, eg. Jersey, Bermuda, etc., then the company pays no tax at all and the individual won't be taxed until he brings it back to the UK. If he buys property abroad with it, like Lineker, then he never pays UK tax on it.

Indeed. The scale of this came out with the Portsmouth insolvency when it was found that relatively unknown players were receiving huge chunks of money as "image rights" although I seem to remember the test case was Dennis Bergkamp who was having the rights paid back to a company in the Netherlands. HMRC have cracked down on it now and there are guidelines, I think 20% of earnings as image rights is the rule of thumb. Cases are still ongoing at the moment and HMRC are looking into all clubs at the moment.

On top of that, for the big players, there are also endorsements for kit, advertising, etc.

[1968claret]

Given that this is being progressed on a criminal basis and is being called evasion, it is more likely that this around hidden income as opposed to how the income is classified.
My guess is that this could be around income from property rental or the like which hasn’t been declared and has probably been hidden offshore.

If it was around image rights etc. Then that would be classed as a legal interpretation issue or avoidance and would not be dealt with criminally.

[bfcmatt]

How can somebody on a public message board state that he hopes somebody gets or experiences rape and not be banned? An absolute disgraceful individual.

[Sidney1st]

Indeed. The scale of this came out with the Portsmouth insolvency when it was found that relatively unknown players were receiving huge chunks of money as "image rights" although I seem to remember the test case was Dennis Bergkamp who was having the rights paid back to a company in the Netherlands. HMRC have cracked down on it now and there are guidelines, I think 20% of earnings as image rights is the rule of thumb. Cases are still ongoing at the moment and HMRC are looking into all clubs at the moment.

On top of that, for the big players, there are also endorsements for kit, advertising, etc.

Still goes on ref unknown players getting image rights etc.
I believe it's quite common at larger clubs for them to pay image rights to players who've yet to play for the first team.

[Sidney1st]

How can somebody on a public message board state that he hopes somebody gets or experiences rape and not be banned? An absolute disgraceful individual.

Lots of things get posted on here with no repercussions.

Numerous accusations in the last week that have been unproven apart from how someone views a comment.

[dsr]

Given that this is being progressed on a criminal basis and is being called evasion, it is more likely that this around hidden income as opposed to how the income is classified.
My guess is that this could be around income from property rental or the like which hasn’t been declared and has probably been hidden offshore.

If it was around image rights etc. Then that would be classed as a legal interpretation issue or avoidance and would not be dealt with criminally.

It usually takes a lot of non-cooperation before the police get involved. Normally when HMRC find underpaid tax, whether avoidance or evasion, they chase the guilty party and impose fines themselves, and it never reaches arrest level.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

How long has he been locked up for....?

And your point is? .....

[aggi]

Still goes on ref unknown players getting image rights etc.
I believe it's quite common at larger clubs for them to pay image rights to players who've yet to play for the first team.

It does, although it's being cracked down on (Hull are in trouble at the moment) with HMRC visiting clubs to specifically review this area.

Given the amount of media and so on (U23 games being televised, websites full of profiles on every single player, community work, etc) then there is still a reasonable argument that even players who aren't in the first team should be getting image rights with the Premier league being so high profile.

[Bfcboyo]

I take it you don't realise that tax evasion is a very serious offence. he deserves anything he gets. I also take it by your initial stance that you don't pay tax yourself. unemployed I guess.

Quite the opposite actually . We probably contributed over 140k in taxes to the system last year alone.

Wanting somebody to get raped for not paying it is crazy. In fact it is vile although I don't think you have the common sense to have meant what you had written. And most people if they earned enough would follow the lead of the counties wealthiest influences and do the same.

Murray doesn't know his arse from his elbow and would have mearly been advised on how best to invest his money.


Shall we have Messi in the same boat or just his father for taking the wrap for it? We could have 80 % of MP's done as well.

Just admit it was tongue in cheek comment and back away from this one with a smiley and say , yes you are right sir,

[Cubanclaret]

Doesn’t seem to have bothered him too much. Scored the winner today !

[bfcjg]

Got Brighton out of jail with that late one.

[FactualFrank]

Got Brighton out of jail with that late one.

Naughty.

[Flatline]

I take it you don't realise that tax evasion is a very serious offence. he deserves anything he gets. I also take it by your initial stance that you don't pay tax yourself. unemployed I guess.

What a weirdo!