More post brexit referendum good news!!!!

[UpTheBeehole]

Just a straight forward answer please.

2 leave

1 remain

1 abstain.


Did more people agree with the decision to leave or Remain.

There's a clue in the fact that we left the room.

I know that you know it's very difficult for you to admit it.

But try your best. You simply can't can you.

it's 50/50 you belmtard. There isn't a majority

[RingoMcCartney]

It’s almost if you could say the majority of people in the room who voted agreed with me.

If you started saying the majority of people in the room agreed with me they’d start laughing at you.

"Abstain" means you neither agree to leave nor remain. Do you understand the concept?

Again, in the analogy, did more people agree or disagree with my proposal to Leave.?

Clue- we left.

Stop the semantics and nitpicking.

More for leave (me)

Or more to remain

A single one word answer will suffice.

But I bet you can't!

[UpTheBeehole]

4 people in a room.

They decide to have a vote as to whether they leave the room by a simple majority vote.

I propose to leave, and another person puts their hand up in support

1 votes to remain

1 abstains

We then leave the room.

Did more people agree with me or disagree with me?

Over to you.

More people disagree with you than agree with you.

2 people disagree, one person agrees

[RingoMcCartney]

it's 50/50 you belmtard. There isn't a majority

But we left the room!!!!

Without a majority how could that possibly happen!!!?

Stop getting angry. It's your bath night tonight and I've spoken to your carer and she said if you don't control that temper of yours, she'll bath you, but won't let you play with Quacky Quacky Duck. And you won't see your Blackbeard pirate ship as well. And you know how much you love that. Are you listening uphisownhole?

Think on!

[UpTheBeehole]

But we left the room!!!!

Without a majority how could that possibly happen!!!?

Stop getting angry. It's your bath night tonight and I've spoken to your carer and she said if you don't control that temper of yours, she'll bath you, but won't let you play with Quacky Quacky Duck. And you won't see your Blackbeard pirate ship as well. And you know how much you love that. Are you listening uphisownhole?

Think on!

You are deranged

[RingoMcCartney]

More people disagree with you than agree with you.

2 people disagree, one person agrees

You've snapped the crayons haven't you!

[JohnMcGreal]

The last few pages of this thread have been a painful read, to the point where I'm actually feeling a bit of sympathy for poor old Ringo.

Just let it go, fella.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'm glad I'm not the only feeling a bit uncomfortable about his apparent disintegration. Nothing personal meant, of course, just a bit of genuine concern.

[RingoMcCartney]

The last few pages of this thread have been a painful read, to the point where I'm actually feeling a bit of sympathy for poor old Ringo.

Just let it go, fella.

No need for sympathy John, there really isn't but I'll give you the same analogy.

 4 people in a room.

They decide to have a vote as to whether they leave the room by a simple majority vote.

I propose to leave, and another person puts their hand up in support

1 votes to remain

1 abstains

We then leave the room.

Did more people agree with me or disagree with me?

Over to you.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm glad I'm not the only feeling a bit uncomfortable about his apparent disintegration. Nothing personal meant, of course, just a bit of genuine concern.

No disintegration here Eddie. Non at all. Just a steadfast belief in common sense and the knowledge that in s town that voted to Leave by 66.6% to 33.4 %. More people agree me.

Try it Eddie. No body has thus far been able to tackle this, apparently very difficult, conundrum.

4 people in a room.

They decide to have a vote as to whether they leave the room by a simple majority vote.

I propose to leave, and another person puts their hand up in support

1 votes to remain

1 abstains

We then leave the room.

Did more people agree with me or disagree with me?

Over to you.

[martin_p]

No need for sympathy John, there really isn't but I'll give you the same analogy.

 4 people in a room.

They decide to have a vote as to whether they leave the room by a simple majority vote.

I propose to leave, and another person puts their hand up in support

1 votes to remain

1 abstains

We then leave the room.

Did more people agree with me or disagree with me?

Over to you.

So one agrees with you, one doesn’t and one doesn’t have an opinion. So the same number agree as disagree and one doesn’t care. Even when you make the numbers up you can’t get it to work!!! Maths not your strong point is it mate!

[RingoMcCartney]

So one agrees with you, one doesn’t and one doesn’t have an opinion. So the same number agree as disagree and one doesn’t care. Even when you make the numbers up you can’t get it to work!!! Maths not your strong point is it mate!

Heeeeeeeeres Martin!!! Finally your here!

First things first. You said that I'd claimed that " if people didn't vote in the refetendum they're not worthy to be classed as Burnleyites"

I asked you to bump up the post where id said It!!!


Where is it Martin. You've had 24 hours to just go back and find it. Tell you what though. I'll have a look for you.

[RingoMcCartney]

Will those who didn’t vote in the referendum please leave Burnley, Ringo doesn’t think you’re worthy of being ‘Burnleyites’.

Here it is Martin!

Found it for you. Now can you tell me who is saying what !?

[RingoMcCartney]

There is no majority view. More support leave than remain and a lot don’t care or know but there is no majority for any single view. You don’t know what majority means do you?

Here's another absolute corker from Tuesday night.

At 66.6% to 33.4%

Martin claims "there is no majority view!"

[martin_p]

Here it is Martin!

Found it for you. Now can you tell me who is saying what !?

As soon as you post me saying 66% v 34% isn’t a majority (as you keep saying I have) then I’ll be more than happy to oblige. Good luck Ringo!

[RingoMcCartney]

So one agrees with you, one doesn’t and one doesn’t have an opinion. So the same number agree as disagree and one doesn’t care. Even when you make the numbers up you can’t get it to work!!! Maths not your strong point is it mate!

English clearly isn't yours Martin is It!

Abstain - neither agree nor disagree.

So if the majority , in my analogy didn't agree with me. Why did we, given the decision to leave the room was based on MAJORITY voting, did we leave the room!?

Clue- remember "abstain" means some body neither agrees nor disagrees with the proposal to Leave the room or Remain in the room for that matter.

Did the majority agree with me? Yes or no.?

[martin_p]

English clearly isn't yours Martin is It!

Abstain - neither agree nor disagree.

So if the majority , in my analogy didn't agree with me. Why did we, given the decision to leave the room was based on MAJORITY voting, did we leave the room!?

Clue- remember "abstain" means some body neither agrees nor disagrees with the proposal to Leave the room or Remain in the room for that matter.

Did the majority agree with me? Yes or no.?

Neither, it’s still one agreeing with you and one disagreeing. Give up Ringo, you’re just a bit thick.

[RingoMcCartney]

The stats are clear, but don’t necessarily give you the answer you want. There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote.!

"As soon as you post me saying 66% v 34% isn’t a majority (as you keep saying I have) then I’ll be more than happy to oblige. Good luck Ringo!


That's what your denying right here Martin!

Burnley voted 66.6 Leave and 33.4 Remain.
You know the figures.
And this is a quote from you saying "There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote."


Bang to rights my lying friend. Bang to rights!!!

[android]

Just out of interest do martin, utb, eddie and the other Ringo bashers think that if required by law to vote then less than 3,376 of the 21,142 people who didn't vote in Burnley would have voted leave?

[martin_p]

That's what your denying right here Martin!

Burnley voted 66.6 Leave and 33.4 Remain.
You know the figures.
And this is a quote from you saying "There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote."


Bang to rights my lying friend. Bang to rights!!!

Nope, still not getting it are you. Only forty odd percent of those eligible to vote voted leave. Read what I wrote carefully and try again. Good luck Ringo!

[RingoMcCartney]

Neither, it’s still one agreeing with you and one disagreeing. Give up Ringo, you’re just a bit thick.

How did we get out of the room?

Was there a majority or not?

Yes or no.?

[android]

How about having a go at my question Martin?

[martin_p]

How about having a go at my question Martin?

It’s impossible to tell really, depends on their reasons not for voting. I suspect most didn’t care in the belief that whatever the decision it wouldn’t effect them.

[martin_p]

How did we get out of the room?

Was there a majority or not?

Yes or no.?

Well that’s not what you asked, you asked if the majority agreed with you. But no, there isn’t a majority amongst the people in the room as only 50% voted to leave and a majority needs to be more than 50% (you still don’t understand the word majority do you?).

[dsr]

Here's a summary of the last 6 pages.

1. A majority of voters in Burnley voted to leave.
2. Less than 50% of the people on the electoral roll voted to leave.

The other 299 posts on this subject are by timewasters and wind-up merchants.

[dsr]

Incidentally, if the number of yes voters as a percentage of the electoral roll had any relevance, we wouldn't have been in the EEC in the first place.

[RingoMcCartney]

Nope, still not getting it are you. Only forty odd percent of those eligible to vote voted leave. Read what I wrote carefully and try again. Good luck Ringo!

Oh I am Martin. I really am.

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote."

In that statement your flying in the face of reality and the figures returned by the returning officer for Burnley Borough Council who were responsible for counting the votes.

He would've said something like this on the night of 23 June 2016

"I the returning officer for Burnley, announce those voting to Leave the European Union was 28,8000. Those wanting to remain in the EuropeanUnion 14,0000.. There were 35 spoilt ballot papers.

Now if you don't think that leave receiving more votes than remain by a ratio of 2 to 1 is not, and I quote you here, " no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote." Then your not only a liar but somebody who lacks a very basic grasp of maths

[martin_p]

Oh I am Martin. I really am.

"There was no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote."

In that statement your flying in the face of reality and the figures returned by the returning officer for Burnley Borough Council who were responsible for counting the votes.

He would've said something like this on the night of 23 June 2016

"I the returning officer for Burnley, announce those voting to Leave the European Union was 28,8000. Those wanting to remain in the EuropeanUnion 14,0000.. There were 35 spoilt ballot papers.

Now if you don't think that leave receiving more votes than remain by a ratio of 2 to 1 is not, and I quote you here, " no clear majority for either leave or remain in Burnley amongst those eligible to vote." Then your not only a liar but somebody who lacks a very basic grasp of maths

Sorry Ringo, you’re as thick as two short planks, I can’t be arsed anymore, especially with someone who thinks you’re not a Burnleyite if you didn’t vote leave.

[android]

Of course it's impossible to tell how the non-voters would have voted but my best guess would be about 66% leave! Highly unlikely to be less than 50% where the overwhelming sentiment was leave. Incredible to think it could possibly have been less than 16% (were any constituencies as high as 84% remain)? In other words, as I'm sure you know, the idea that there was no clear majority in Burnley seems to be pushing pedantry a bit too far for the purposes of pointless Ringo bashing! Not really meaning to have a go at you in particular but Ringo's view that the majority of Burnleyites were likely to agree with him is blindingly obvious notwithstanding 28 being less than half of 64!

[RingoMcCartney]

Well that’s not what you asked, you asked if the majority agreed with you. But no, there isn’t a majority amongst the people in the room as only 50% voted to leave and a majority needs to be more than 50% (you still don’t understand the word majority do you?).

Are you for real!?

You're at it again you clown!

Do you have an up to date pilots licence? Cos you're flying in the face of reality !!!

2 leave. 1 remain and 1 abstain. Means that by a majority of, (guess what!?) In pure and simple terms as it gets , literally 2 to 1, leave win!

It's not 50/50 you berk!

[RingoMcCartney]

Sorry Ringo, you’re as thick as two short planks, I can’t be arsed anymore, especially with someone who thinks you’re not a Burnleyite if you didn’t vote leave.

With that last line you've given the game away Marty. You know further up this thread I proved it was actually you that said "you’re not a Burnleyite if you didn’t vote leave." Not me. The posts where you say it are just a few posts further back.

So it's clear you've tried to be on the wind up. You've known all along what I meant. I've been genuine. You haven't. I'll let others judge you for that.

As part of this summary I'll remind you of something. I said that when we leave the EU and end free movement of people. Itd help stop exploitation and people trafficking. You said it wouldn't and that I only had an.opinon, where as you had evidence that itd wouldn't help to stop exploitation and people trafficking. You said you had "evidence" didn't you Martin. I tried to point out that you couldn't possibly have evidence as it hasn't happened yet.
But no. You still claimed you had "evidence"

Since then I've repeatedly asked you to provide that "evidence" You haven't cos as we both know there is none as there can't possibly be, as we haven't left yet. You lied and failed!

So coupled with your blatent buffoonery I'm happy to say


Final score


RINGO MCCARTNEY 2 . MARTIN P 0

[martin_p]

Final score


RINGO MCCARTNEY 1 . MARTIN P 0

I dont argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.

[RingoMcCartney]

I dont argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.

That may be so. But.

The EVIDENCE of last 2 days of your post suggests your quite prepared to try and get the better of me. You failed.

Thanks for filling our car up with genuine laughter Martin last night. "Mate is he being serious or is he just acting t'goat?" Was one comment!

However, given the deserved point we got, we didn't feel the need to read any more ramblings of a cretinous moron to cheer us up. But it was reassuring to know we always had your intellectually challenged gibberish to chortle at, should the conversation dry up!

Too many post match talking points and a decent choice of tunes from the driver meant that references to "Martin the Moron" as my mate described you, weren't necessary.

[martin_p]

That may be so. But.

The EVIDENCE of last 2 days of your post suggests your quite prepared to try and get the better of me. You failed.

Thanks for filling our car up with genuine laughter Martin last night. Given the deserved point we got, we didn't feel the need to read any more ramblings of a cretinous moron to cheer us up. But it was reassuring to know we always had your intellectually challenged gibberish to chortle at, should the conversation dry up!

Too many post match talking points and a decent choice of tunes from the driver meant that references to "Martin the Moron" as my mate described you, weren't necessary

All hail Ringo! I’ve been handed a proper lesson! And from a man who thinks those who didn’t vote leave aren’t Burnleyites as well. I’m ashamed.

[RingoMcCartney]

All hail Ringo! I’ve been handed a proper lesson! And from a man who thinks those who didn’t vote leave are Burnleyites as well. I’m ashamed.

Don't be ashamed. See yourself as more of a comical "in case of emergency break glass" insurance policy for away games Martin!

Not sure if we're doing Swansea. It's a fair trek. But betweeen now and then, if you could post a bit more nonsensical claptrap that really doesn't put you in such a good light, like the last 48 hours of material. That'd be great for filling in some the time coming back.

Do us a favour. Next time you're posting your your remedial remarks. Just drop the one liner "Hello Duggy, it's Martin the Moron" randomly, he'll be made up! Cheers

[evensteadiereddie]

Speaking as neither a Ringo lover nor a basher, can I just point out, android, I have had no interest whatsoever in the Burnley Brexit vote figures.
I asked for evidence of Kerr's specific eve of Battle of Britain "surrender monkey" plea to Hitler - it's not appeared. Fair enough, there isn't any.

Mind you, I do find the concept of a bunch of Clarets heading to Newcastle by car spending their journey time allegedly gleefully chortling with laughter over the bickering over a small town's Brexit' figures more than a little odd. That must have seemed like a ******* long journey.
Still, whatever floats your boat, as they say.

[RingoMcCartney]

Speaking as neither a Ringo lover nor a basher, can I just point out, android, I have had no interest whatsoever in the Burnley Brexit vote figures.
I asked for evidence of Kerr's specific eve of Battle of Britain "surrender monkey" plea to Hitler - it's not appeared. Fair enough, there isn't any.

Mind you, I do find the concept of a bunch of Clarets heading to Newcastle by car spending their journey time allegedly gleefully chortling with laughter over the bickering over a small town's Brexit' figures more than a little odd. That must have seemed like a ******* long journey.
Still, whatever floats your boat, as they say.

Don't knock it till you've tried it Eddie. Loved the replica shirt and scarf combo by the way. Well, I say "loved"

[Greenmile]

Honest question Ringo.

Do you ever look through this sort of thread and think “hang on, almost everyone is telling me I’m wrong here. Maybe I should look back at what I’ve written to see if I’ve explained myself properly or maybe made a mistake”?

There’s nothing wrong with clarifying a point - eg “when I said the majority of Burnleyites would agree with me, what I meant to say was the majority who hold a view / voted would. Of course no one but me could know that’s what I meant, because it’s not what I wrote, so here I am now saying what I meant to say first time.”

I think you would garner a mite more respect taking that route rather than doubling down by insulting everyone who points out your error(s).

[evensteadiereddie]

Don't knock it till you've tried it Eddie. Loved the replica shirt and scarf combo by the way. Well, I say "loved"

Blimey, you are on a losing run, there's nothing replica about that shirt, lad. I won it in last season's poppy auction. It was Jeff Hendrick's match-worn shirt so you're wrong. (Evidence available on request.)

Again, I couldn't give a to$$ who you are or what you think about me or what I wear or don't wear. I think you spending the journey to Newcastle talking about Brexit (and losing face into the bargain) tells us all we need to know. If that's even partly true, it's very odd. If you made it up in some desperate attempt to belittle an opponent, that's even worse. Anyway, I guess we'll never know - nor care.

Again not being personal or anything but as the guy above advises, read your stuff again. You're not coming across particularly well.

Speaking of which, you're taking your time producing the evidence of Kerr's eve of the B of B "surrendering".........................


UTC

[android]

Fair enough Eddie - lazy research on my part perhaps lumping you in with the bandwagon. This thread just got a bit OTT on picking up Ringo on a technicality when his point was essentially correct by any reasonable interpretation. I'm moving on...

[evensteadiereddie]

Same here.
I've no interest in the bloke or his politics but accidental errors or blatant untruths do need to be challenged.

[dsr]

Same here.
I've no interest in the bloke or his politics but accidental errors or blatant untruths do need to be challenged.

Absolutely. If you think someone's wrong, it's important to tell him so several hundred times. Maybe if you tell him so several hundred more times, then the rest of us might get the point as well?

I presume, incidentally, that the various perpetrators of these hundreds of corrections do actually know the point Ringo was trying to make?

[RingoMcCartney]

Blimey, you are on a losing run, there's nothing replica about that shirt, lad. I won it in last season's poppy auction. It was Jeff Hendrick's match-worn shirt so you're wrong. (Evidence available on request.)

Again, I couldn't give a to$$ who you are or what you think about me or what I wear or don't wear. I think you spending the journey to Newcastle talking about Brexit (and losing face into the bargain) tells us all we need to know. If that's even partly true, it's very odd. If you made it up in some desperate attempt to belittle an opponent, that's even worse. Anyway, I guess we'll never know - nor care.

Again not being personal or anything but as the guy above advises, read your stuff again. You're not coming across particularly well.

Speaking of which, you're taking your time producing the evidence of Kerr's eve of the B of B "surrendering".........................


UTC

We didn't " spend the journey to Newcastle talking about brexit " just had a laugh at Martin's idiotic posts when we stopped for a quick slash at Ripon.

Thanks for the advice about reading my stuff again but I'll decline.
I know what a majority is.
I know what a ratio of 2 to 1 is.
I know that 66.6% Leave and 33.4% means as a leave voter more Burnleyites agree with me.
Just because around 10 or so UTC message board Remoaners are pretending they don't know. While, simultaneously, being unable to accept what most sane level headed people would agree with, in a breath. As Android put it, they preferred to obsess about a technicality. But that's not a weakness in me, it's in them.

Isn't it strange. Several have fallen silent when I used my analogy of 4 people in a room.

They decide to have a vote as to whether they leave the room by a simple majority vote.

I propose to leave, and another person puts their hand up in support

1 votes to remain

1 abstains

We then leave the room.

Did more people agree with me or disagree with me?

Why Do think they've fallen silent?

Because the 2 to 1 and the 1 abstention is very roughly the same numbers for how those who were eligible to vote in Burnley. And the 10 or so Remoaners know that. But, by presenting it as simple as that, it forces their hand. But they simply can't bring themselves round to admitting that they knew exactly what I meant. Preferring to now clam-up where previously they were revelling and emboldened in the pack mentality. Cockyness replaced by silence.

As for Kerr, I'm now telling for the second time now Eddie. You have an opinion of him. As do I. However, I'm under no obligation to provide you with any evidence on which I base that opinon. Unlike Martin p, who claimed he had evidence that the ending of free movement of people wouldn't help to stop exploitation, people trafficking and modern day slavery. I never said I had any evidence. Just my opinion.

[Sidney1st]

Have we left the room yet?

[RingoMcCartney]

Honest question here Ringo

There’s nothing wrong with clarifying a point - eg “when I said the majority of Burnleyites would agree with me, what I meant to say was the majority who hold a view / voted would. Of course no one but me could know that’s what I meant, because it’s not what I wrote, so here I am now saying what I meant to say first time.”

.

It's a fair question Greenmile.

If I was dealing with rational, objective, unbiased, fair minded, non partisan people I wouldn't have to. But a relatively tiny number of posters prefer the faux semantics and technicalities approach.

And it's revealing is it not? That, in the above quotation from yourself. You clearly understood what I meant, requiring absolutely no need any clarification what so ever.

My honest question to you.

If you get it. Why can't they?

[RingoMcCartney]

Of course it's impossible to tell how the non-voters would have voted but my best guess would be about 66% leave! Highly unlikely to be less than 50% where the overwhelming sentiment was leave. Incredible to think it could possibly have been less than 16% (were any constituencies as high as 84% remain)? In other words, as I'm sure you know, the idea that there was no clear majority in Burnley seems to be pushing pedantry a bit too far for the purposes of pointless Ringo bashing! Not really meaning to have a go at you in particular but Ringo's view that the majority of Burnleyites were likely to agree with him is blindingly obvious notwithstanding 28 being less than half of 64!

Thank you very much for your support. You've put your head above the parapet there. There is a real pack instinct from some, not all, the Remoaners on here. Very lippy in numbers they can be. I'll give as good as I get though. Still, appreciate it. Cheers fella.

[Greenmile]

It's a fair question Greenmile.

If I was dealing with rational, objective, unbiased, fair minded, non partisan people I wouldn't have to. But a relatively tiny number of posters prefer the faux semantics and technicalities approach.

And it's revealing is it not? That, in the above quotation from yourself. You clearly understood what I meant, requiring absolutely no need any clarification what so ever.

My honest question to you.

If you get it. Why can't they?

So that is what you meant?

Why didn’t you just say so instead of banging on about 4 people in a room and hurling insults?

To answer your question - it’s the only interpretation of what you said that makes sense and is correct but (and this is important) it’s not what you actually said.

You can’t say something that’s wrong, defend it multiple times in an aggressive insulting manner, and then say “well of course I meant this other thing, and it’s your fault for not realising that.”

This isn’t pedantry. It’s asking you to say what you mean, and mean what you say.

[evensteadiereddie]

Ah, bless.
As I've said, I had no interest in the Burnley Brexit vote nor what constitutes a "majority" or not. I wouldn't worry too much about being criticised, I don't think folks are being personal - they're just challenging your view. If you're going to go all snowflakey each time you're shown up, perhaps you can't give as good as you get............Nobody else on here whinges about being picked on.

Anyway, the Kerr issue does intrigue me. On the eve of the Battle of Britain, you claimed quite specifically, that Kerr attempted to appease Hitler and was a "surrender monkey". Quite a slur to make bearing in mind that pivotal time in our history.
Under normal circumstances, evidence would be supplied and all would be well.
You, however, somehow don't feel "obliged" to support your accusation of this man's behaviour - an accusation not an opinion - and I'm not surprised because you're were either lying or didn't have a clue about his real role in WW2 at that time.
That's about it, really.

[Greenmile]

Absolutely. If you think someone's wrong, it's important to tell him so several hundred times.

It is, if that’s how long it takes for them to realise they were wrong.

Of course, it’s different if they knew they were wrong all along but said it anyway, but I don’t get that impression with Ringo.

[Tall Paul]

Just to be clear Ringo, the reason I've "fallen silent" is because I said I was giving up on trying to make you see where you went wrong and, unlike you, when I say I'm doing something I actually do it.