Seriously overrated club managers

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:20 pm

I'll kick off with Chris Coleman.
A fantastic advert for Grecian 2000 and did ok with the Welsh despite being in a group with the weakest England team in my grandaughters hamsters lifetime but come on the pundits were almost fawning over him when he got the Sunderland job ( perhaps Pep and and Jose are correct questioning their credentials to be pundits ? ) and it was all onwards and upwards under the welsh Harry R.
There's loads out there, obviously horse face however its for current managers not those in the back woods.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:27 pm

I can only think of sean dyche.... For England Arsenal Sunderland palace Southampton and ermmmm Everton. He would have struggled.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:29 pm

mark hughes.

played for big clubs but is not a bright man.

just look at some of the footage of him and lineker 'settling in' at barcelona. one man was an intelligent, pragmatic firebrand and the other was a lost, bewildered knuckle-dragger.

hughes was the latter.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:34 pm

Pardew. As he's now ably demonstrating at WBA.

When he got that eight year contract at Newcastle, he must have thought
it was Christmas, his birthday and the Lord Mayor's show all rolled into one.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:37 pm

Hughes did decent jobs at Blackburn, Stoke and City.

3 consecutive top 9 at Stoke, European football at Blackburn.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:37 pm

Not sure currently but previously... Owen Coyle. "The next Bill Shankley" apparently.

It was an exciting time when he was with us, kind of like when you're ugly as sin but a fit bird is going out with you, you can't quite believe it, but later on realise she's a massive nobber.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:50 pm

paul clement, went from barnstead atheltic to real madrid for some inexplicable reason, a real dud if ever there was one.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:06 am

Fat Sam, Harry R, Fat Sam, Harry R, Fat Sam Harry R.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:26 am

Harry's not overrated ..he's very good at f...ing clubs up.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:34 am

I wouldn't post anybody who has an American owner. They are the pits, as they like to say.
The Glazers only get away with it because of Manures income and even they managed to screw it up between Fergie and Jose.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:54 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:paul clement, went from barnstead atheltic to real madrid for some inexplicable reason, a real dud if ever there was one.

Its all down to how he put out the cones apparently.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:05 am

piston broke wrote:I wouldn't post anybody who has an American owner. They are the pits, as they like to say.
The Glazers only get away with it because of Manures income and even they managed to screw it up between Fergie and Jose.

Between? I think there is still potential for this to go all pear shaped. In fact, I’d love it to.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:01 am

Gianfranco Zola

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:06 am

There are some good selections here - Clement, Zola, Coleman.

I would not include Redknapp, Allardyce or Hughes in that list. All had their ups and downs but plenty of ups.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:12 am

Brendan Rodgers taking a sabbatical at Celtic

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:57 am

Norwegians generally with special reference to the baby faced one at Cardiff.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:07 am

Klopp

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:17 am

Has Harry ever worked at a club that didn’t end up in financial despair not long after...?

ayrshireclaret83 · Post by **ayrshireclaret83** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:19 am

Roosterbooster wrote:Has Harry ever worked at a club that didn’t end up in financial despair not long after...?

Spurs

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:21 am

Most managers seem to have a time when things went right and then failed to live up to that standard. Owen Coyle is a classic example.

I get the impression, certainly at the top end, that clubs are not willing to take risks on unknown managers any more. Having said that, who thought the Carvalhal appointment at Swansea was like the Laws one at Burnley? It's early days of course but he is surprising everyone. Look at how many times the word 'sacked' appears in his managerial career:

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RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:23 am

I reckon Harry Rednapps dog would have more of a clue about managing a team.

After all, she must have done summat right. Rosie had a million in her bank account!

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 am

Can't see any mention of ex Hull and Watford manager Marco Silva

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:29 am

We've got the Ginger Morinho. The best young English manager in the country.

But don't forget the Orange One.

Phil Brown!

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:46 am

Sean Dyche, he's terrible, he wouldn't do a job anywhere else at all. Leave him at Burnley, he's found his limit.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:08 am

Harry Rednapp ,king of the financial car crash.
Every club he has managed is now in a far worse shape.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:19 pm

Steve McClaren, Harry Redknapp, Chris Coleman

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:23 pm

I'd have Redknapp top of the list.
Every manager has a down time, but he collects them like butterflies.
It isn't even that he takes clubs backwards, he takes them to the edge of extinction.

MrClaretandBlue · Post by **MrClaretandBlue** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Gareth Southgate, Stuart Pearce, Aidy Boothroyd.

All somehow found themselves in influential well paid roles within the F.A without doing anything particularly significant at club level. The sooner the F.A is forcced to reform the better.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:37 pm

mkmel wrote:Can't see any mention of ex Hull and Watford manager Marco Silva

You should go and wash your mouth out before KRBFC spots that comment.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:57 pm

Russel Slade.

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:16 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:paul clement, went from barnstead atheltic to real madrid for some inexplicable reason, a real dud if ever there was one.

some managers just dont fit at a certain club. doesnt mean they are a dud. even mr dyche would struggle in certain clubs and he is brilliant.
I think Clement will take his experience and eventually do well.

BarstewardsEnquiry · Post by **BarstewardsEnquiry** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:22 pm

Brian Potter

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:16 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Harry Rednapp ,king of the financial car crash.
Every club he has managed is now in a far worse shape.

Roosterbooster wrote:Has Harry ever worked at a club that didn’t end up in financial despair not long after...?

Bournemouth, West Ham & Spurs

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:57 pm

We'll indulge 'arry.

Was instrumental last season in binning Rovers.
If that doesn't deserve a special dispensation, I don't know what does.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:05 pm

Alex McLeish, saw this week that he was unveiled Scotland’s new manager. How do they do it?

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:32 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:Alex McLeish, saw this week that he was unveiled Scotland’s new manager. How do they do it?

Don't know what's worse.
Scotland football team or Alex McLeish

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:37 pm

bfcjg wrote:I'll kick off with Chris Coleman.
A fantastic advert for Grecian 2000 and did ok with the Welsh despite being in a group with the weakest England team in my grandaughters hamsters lifetime but come on the pundits were almost fawning over him when he got the Sunderland job ( perhaps Pep and and Jose are correct questioning their credentials to be pundits ? ) and it was all onwards and upwards under the welsh Harry R.
There's loads out there, obviously horse face however its for current managers not those in the back woods.

Did OK? Rather uncharitable. Got Wales to their first major tournament since 1958 and led them to the semi-finals, an achievement which England haven't managed in 20 years. He did a superb job and in my opinion has made a really bad decision going to the manager's graveyard at Sunderland. The problems there are entrenched and not down to Coleman's managerial ability (or Grayson's, or Moyes', et. al.)

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:41 pm

Good shout further back for McClaren.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:19 pm

Gus Poyet

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:57 pm

Harry just needs a firm hand in the boardroom. No way Levy was going to allow him to go nuts.

Mandaric, Fernandes, the Brum lot, they were starstruck and gave him an open checkbook

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:55 pm

Joe Kinnear and John Carver at Newcastle take some beating!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:56 pm

Paul Lambert.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:58 pm

Dennis Wise

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:01 pm

Osvaldo ardiles has taken the concept to the extreme being sacked in a stack of different countries as a result of his ineptness, but just goes on to find a job in another.

Sven goran Eriksson.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:33 pm

Tony Mowbray.

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:19 pm

Steve McLaren

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Bournemouth, West Ham & Spurs

Redknapp left Bournemouth in severe financial difficulties

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 pm

Don’t forget Shearer

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 pm

joey13 wrote:Redknapp left Bournemouth in severe financial difficulties

I thought he left a good few years before they hit problems

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:06 pm

Five years ago not...
But Jose Mourinho is now a busted flush...seriously overpaid