Blue Passports to be made in France

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:34 am

The most economically advantageous tender tended to be the cheapest Taio in the NHS.

Like I said, the only reason the more expensive (overall, when everything is factored in) would be chosen was for reasons like it didn't work as recommended by the NHS professionals (heart defibrillators with paddles rather than the more modern pads).

You had to make sure the reason the product is chosen does the job it has to do, and fit it in with the cost to the taxpayer.

Christ, you are bringing back memories of having "difficult" discussions with doctors who wanted gloves ten times more expensive than the ones we wanted here!

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:09 am

A bit of confusion about what economically advantageous means.

It doesn’t mean cheaper for example.

It means offering the best value, factoring in price, volume and quality. I’ve been advising board members in the NHS about this throughout this week, the need to continually ensure quality is considered in VFM decisions.

Quality is subjective, it means different things to different people. For example, if making passports here gave 10m people in the UK a huge buzz, that persisted for years every time they pulled it out of the drawer, it could be better value. That’s why the media arguing for cheaper always being best have it wrong.

My own personal choice though would be to promote free trade not indulge in protectionism like the French with passports - it doesn’t bother me where they are made, so I agree with the Government.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:11 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote: Quality is subjective, it means different things to different people. For example, if making passports here gave 10m people in the UK a huge buzz, that persisted for years every time they pulled it out of the drawer, it could be better value. That’s why the media arguing for cheaper always being best have it wrong.

And this is what Brexit's all about - a minority of people feeling a bit of a buzz, despite the dire economic consequences for everyone.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:13 am

The more you post the more you show yourself up.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:20 am

My irony filter has just crashed

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:20 am

Good (and pretty fair) on this from Peston

https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/post ... 5904801811" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:08 am

CardyTheClaret wrote:Any advance on halfmanhalfbiscuit being a bit red faced over a piece of paper?

I know a few people who have lost their jobs. Mainly in science/academia where research grants haven't been renewed over uncertainty on where funding would be coming from as they were funded by EU grants.

Also know a few people who were planning on staying here long-term who have either returned to Europe or put off long-term decisions (house buying) due to uncertainty over their future.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:13 am

aggi wrote:I know a few people who have lost their jobs. Mainly in science/academia where research grants haven't been renewed over uncertainty on where funding would be coming from as they were funded by EU grants.

Also know a few people who were planning on staying here long-term who have either returned to Europe or put off long-term decisions (house buying) due to uncertainty over their future.

Their jobs don't matter to Leave voters. We both know why.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:33 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Good (and pretty fair) on this from Peston

https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/post ... 5904801811" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I stopped reading your "pretty fair" assessment at "back to the future travel documents"

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:35 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Their jobs don't matter to Leave voters. We both know why.

Yet here you are, arguing that people losing jobs in Darlington is an amusing twist of fate for anyone who voted brexit

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:36 am

Shame

If you'd continued you have seen that its a good defence of the decision in the context of what the Tory party stands for.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:39 am

Of course international firms will be able tender for contracts under WTO rules.
The difference is, we won't be forced to accept the lowest bid from a firm propped up by the EU.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:39 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:And this is what Brexit's all about - a minority of people feeling a bit of a buzz, despite the dire economic consequences for everyone.

Nearly as hilarious as your hysterical claim that Julia Hartley Brewer is a hate preacher!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:41 am

Apparently the company who will probably be awarded the contract also do stuff for our driving licences etc, but no one's mentioned that yet.

Meanwhile the company in the UK that is going to lose the contract does work for several foreign governments.
Up to 80% of their work is from outside of the UK.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:42 am

Back to UK government procurement though Damo

We won't be paying extra just because its British.

its pretty funny actually, it says all that in the article I posted, the one you stopped reading before you get to the end.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:My irony filter has just crashed

That famous irony filter of yours crashes an awful lot lancs.

Are you sure you haven't got the box where you keep it, mixed up with the box where you keep your gold plated political blinkers?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:53 am

Its a top of the range, no cost objections British red, white and blue irony filter as well.

Might go for a better made, cheaper EU version next time

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:01 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its a top of the range, no cost objections British red, white and blue irony filter as well.

Might go for a better made, cheaper EU version next time

Lol! Fair play to ya!

I've been listening to comrade obrian and it's funny listening to him go on about passports. But each time it goes to the news, progress is being made in Brussels and then they'll move onto trade. It's as if he's still fighting the pre referendum fight!

The thing is after we leave, anybody with an ounce of common sense knows. Post brexit the UK will not be the land of milk and honey. It wasn't before we joined. However it won't be the economic apocalypse that the hysterical Remoaners claim it will be. It wasn't before we joined. For the vast majority it'll be pretty much the same.

I just wish somebody would tell obrain.

I'm listening to George Gallowy now on talk radio. A great listen. Give him a try.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:04 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Back to UK government procurement though Damo

We won't be paying extra just because its British.

its pretty funny actually, it says all that in the article I posted, the one you stopped reading before you get to the end.

I'm not overly bothered about the contract Lancaster.
The reason I entered into yet another debate on Brexit here is because it is somehow seen as a slap in the face to Brexiteers.
The fact quite a lot of remainers are claiming this news as some kind of amusing victory says to me that they actually couldn't care less about the working class and British jobs.
It's not about poor people being further disadvantaged.
It's solely about how they are personally affected, and getting one over on Brexiteers.
Just like Pestons article, it's all tinged with spite and is an attempt portray everything Brexit as bad and ignorant

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:08 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:However it won't be the economic apocalypse that the hysterical Remoaners claim it will be. It wasn't before we joined.

Economically speaking, Britain was 'the sick man of Europe' before we joined the EEC.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:12 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Economically speaking, Britain was 'the sick man of Europe' before we joined the EEC.

Why do you think that was?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:14 am

Christ, George Galloway!

I'm not sure I'll ever reach that stage to be perfectly honest.

Damo, I'll just say exactly the same back to you if I may. Do you think Farage et al give a **** about fish and places like Grimsby? Do you think the major players in the brexiteer debate will make our lives better?

I know (as you are well aware!) that I've been against this for (mainly) economic reasons. I fear that this will affect places like Burnley more than it will affect places like London. In essence, the people who voted for this will fear the impact more than the people who didn't. I hope like hell that no one on here is affected by it.

And I also fear (and this is becoming depressingly more and more likely) that that will lead to more instability, more social issues and a rise in xenophobia.

And the idea that because we are laughing at stuff like this means we don't care is ********. I laugh because its the best way of dealing with terrible decisions. I laughed when we appointed Brian Laws for example!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:15 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Economically speaking, Britain was 'the sick man of Europe' before we joined the EEC.

Thanks to Wilson and Callaghan!

But that's an argument for another day surely!?

As I say, post brexit Britain will , for the vast majority, will be same ****, different day.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:16 am

What if the tiny minority is places like Burnley though Ringo?

Thats been my issue from Day One.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:17 am

Rowls wrote:Why do you think that was?

Extreme politics which prioritised blind faith and ideology over rationality and pragmatism. Sound familiar?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:19 am

Just announced. Prince Harry and Megan Markels official wedding pottery has been released.

Please please please let it be made in stoke on Trent.

Anything to avoid giving James Obrian an excuse to give us another grinding 20 minute monologue that belongs in a time before June 23rd 2016!!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:20 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Extreme politics which prioritised blind faith and ideology over rationality and pragmatism. Sound familiar?

To Jeremy and John. Yes probably!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:21 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Just announced. Prince Harry and Megan Markels official wedding pottery has been released.

Please please please let it be made in stoke on Trent.

Anything to avoid giving James Obrian an excuse to give us another grinding 20 minute monologue that belongs in a time before June 23rd 2016!!

Blue passports and fish, it's literally all he's got.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:28 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Extreme politics which prioritised blind faith and ideology over rationality and pragmatism. Sound familiar?

That's extremely vague, isn't it?

The correct answer was a combination of over-mighty unions and trade protectionism. The two go hand in hand.

This decision about the passports is a victory for free trade and that is to be welcomed. The next time we procure for passports we might be able to get a better deal outside the EU with a Chinese, American, Indian or Brazilian company (or any other country we choose to trade with).

The fact that the current deal has gone out of the UK shows what the EU got right- it's saved UK tax-payers money.

The fact that it could NEVER have gone outside the EU shows why the EU is increasingly old-fashioned.

There are many reasons to leave the EU but I don't see many people discussing them at all. Certainly not on this thread.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:28 am

claretandy wrote:Blue passports and fish, it's literally all he's got.

Wonder if we can persuade the government to have a coat of arms on the new passports, that incorporates a fish and a unicorn?

For the socialist with starf, obrain, itd be 3 birds, with the 1 stone!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:29 am

Like I said it's all he's got.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:31 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:Extreme politics which prioritised blind faith and ideology over rationality and pragmatism. Sound familiar?

And -yes- it WAS Socialism that made Britain poor in the 70s. We'd had 30 years of Socialism by then.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:35 am

Whats this?

Rowls ignoring the perfectly fair comparison to shout "SOCIALISM IS THE PROBLEM HERE"

Say it ain't so Rowls, say it ain't so

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:36 am

Andy/Ringo

The passport are being made in France (though some production will be here), and we haven't got the fish.

But what we do have is a an unspecified and unquantifiable leap in feeling like proper British people again. Hurrah!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:41 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Whats this?
Rowls ignoring the perfectly fair comparison to shout "SOCIALISM IS THE PROBLEM HERE"
Say it ain't so Rowls, say it ain't so

Oh dear. Are you upset because I'm not at all bothered about the new passports?

Or do you really imagine that Socialism did not impoverish the UK, like it does to EVERY country who tries it out.

Sure, go ahead and try and turn the thread into one about how crappy Socialism is or how bad trade protectionism is.

Do it.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:42 am

claretandy wrote:Like I said it's all he's got.

Quality!!!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:42 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Rowls ignoring the perfectly fair comparison to shout "SOCIALISM IS THE PROBLEM HERE"

What comparison?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:55 am

claretandy wrote:Like I said it's all he's got.

Just as he's whipped himself up, to yet another state of self righteous sanctimonious sneering, which inevitably sees his voice tone reaching an even greater level of plumbiness. There's a break for the news which says Donald Tusk and his mob, have rubber stamped the terms and they'll be progressing to trade and other issues soon.

The brexit tectonic plates are moving along, regardless of the socialist with starf, obrains, ceaseless remoanerisms!

The cosseted, disconnected and kept in clover, Chardonnay Lefty Red, is really is showing himself to be the fully paid up dweller of the metropolitan London borough of ivory towers club!

Radio comedy gold!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:56 am

Socialists - eventually, they always run out of someone else's money......

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:09 pm

Damo wrote:Yet here you are, arguing that people losing jobs in Darlington is an amusing twist of fate for anyone who voted brexit

So you think that enjoying the irony of something is the same thing as enjoying something? No wonder you people struggle with humour.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:14 pm

Rowls wrote:This decision about the passports is a victory for free trade and that is to be welcomed. The next time we procure for passports we might be able to get a better deal outside the EU with a Chinese, American, Indian or Brazilian company (or any other country we choose to trade with).

We already trade with those countries. If there was a better deal available from them, there's nothing stopping us getting it now.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:20 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
75% of the trade deal with the EU complete!

Didn’t realise you could watch the trade deal load like an application installing.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:22 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Didn’t realise you could watch the trade deal load like an application installing.

The same thing happens when Ringo is trying to load new information, however the process always stops half way through and he reverts to namecalling and putting the

icon in his posts.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:24 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Didn’t realise you could watch the trade deal load like an application installing.

You can't.

But you can watch Faisal Islam's Sky news reports on the Brexit talks.

Hope that helps.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:26 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The same thing happens when Ringo is trying to load new information, however the process always stops half way through and he reverts to namecalling and putting the icon in his posts.

Mr Pot, let me introduce you to the idiotic Mr Kettle.....

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:34 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:You can't.

But you can watch Faisal Islam's Sky news reports on the Brexit talks.

Hope that helps.

You're a slave to Islam's every word

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think that enjoying the irony of something is the same thing as enjoying something? No wonder you people struggle with humour.

The amusing twist of fate part of my comment suggests you enjoyed the irony of something, so I'm not entirely sure wtf this reply is all about.
Go back to calling everyone racist because Google can't provide you with a reasonable counter argument charlie

bedfords · Post by **bedfords** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:37 pm

Damo wrote:The amusing twist of fate part of my comment suggests you enjoyed the irony of something, so I'm not entirely sure wtf this reply is all about.
Go back to calling everyone racist because Google can't provide you with a reasonable counter argument charlie

Wind it in brainflake.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:40 pm

bedfords wrote:Wind it in brainflake.

The intelligentsia has arrived

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:47 pm

Damo wrote:The amusing twist of fate part of my comment suggests you enjoyed the irony of something, so I'm not entirely sure wtf this reply is all about.
Go back to calling everyone racist because Google can't provide you with a reasonable counter argument charlie

And you go back to completely fabricating reasons behind accusations of racism from someone you disagree with politically. Oh, wait, i see you already did.