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Walton
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by Walton » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:54 pm
jlup1980 wrote:A lot of the World Cup kits have a retro feel and I'd be more than happy for that to be the case with our away kit if we had an updated version of the Billy Hamilton number. That's a proper kit, love it!
Missed a trick in 16/17 in not doing a 25 years on version of the 91/92 home shirt.
Norwich did a take on their version for their third kit

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ClaretinMyBlood
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by ClaretinMyBlood » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:16 pm
Hoping the away kit isn't black.
I've never been a massive fan of the yellow kits but would be fully behind a retro re-make.
I personally like the white away kits with a splash of claret & blue. Or the blue always kits with claret and white. Sticking with a main feature of claret & blue would benefit brand recognition if we're to grow outside the boundaries of our town.
What about a 3rd kit for the Europa League campaign?

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burnmark
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by burnmark » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:15 pm
ClaretinMyBlood wrote:Hoping the away kit isn't black.
I've never been a massive fan of the yellow kits but would be fully behind a retro re-make.
I personally like the white away kits with a splash of claret & blue. Or the blue always kits with claret and white. Sticking with a main feature of claret & blue would benefit brand recognition if we're to grow outside the boundaries of our town.
What about a 3rd kit for the Europa League campaign?

IF we do qualify for Europe, I think it’s a UEFA stipulation that three kits are required.
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by IanMcL » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:22 pm
Black chap got on the bus in Malta today. Wearing a ManU shirt with Alexis 7 on the back.
Bang up to date and already out of favour in Manchester!
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by whentheballmoves » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:55 pm
ClaretTony wrote:ha ha - that was in the Andrew Watson days. They were already manufacturing it and the vote could only ever going to have one result. Hardly surprising from him though.
I do think having a vote is a decent idea though.
Yeah, I seem to remember it being rigged. Easy enough to do these days, and quick, too, so as not to impact on sales, etc. Maybe I should tweet someone at the club? If so, who?
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burnmark
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by burnmark » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:32 pm
whentheballmoves wrote:Yeah, I seem to remember it being rigged. Easy enough to do these days, and quick, too, so as not to impact on sales, etc. Maybe I should tweet someone at the club? If so, who?
The designs will have been chosen for next season by now.
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by piston broke » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:55 pm
Away night matches should always be white or yellow. Even with modern floodlighting they are just so easy to see.
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by Falcon » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:56 am
That Norwich shirt is cool, but ruined by the big square white box for the sponsor.
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by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:12 pm
ClaretinMyBlood wrote:Hoping the away kit isn't black.
I've never been a massive fan of the yellow kits but would be fully behind a retro re-make.
I personally like the white away kits with a splash of claret & blue. Or the blue always kits with claret and white. Sticking with a main feature of claret & blue would benefit brand recognition if we're to grow outside the boundaries of our town.
What about a 3rd kit for the Europa League campaign?

Although I’ve been tipped off that it is black I’d still be amazed given how poorly the black kit sold in 2014/15.
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DCWat
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by DCWat » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:39 pm
jlup1980 wrote:A lot of the World Cup kits have a retro feel and I'd be more than happy for that to be the case with our away kit if we had an updated version of the Billy Hamilton number. That's a proper kit, love it!
More a 90’s theme from what I’ve seen.
The 80’s styles were far nicer, less rave scene, psychedelic neons!!
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by DCWat » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:46 pm
ClaretTony wrote:Although I’ve been tipped off that it is black I’d still be amazed given how poorly the black kit sold in 2014/15.
I remember Dave Baldwin talking about home and away kits and switching them between ones that they know will be popular and ones that won’t.
I can’t recall quite how he phrased it but it made some sense at the time. He did similar when at City - they had some horrors although it’s difficult to get much nice from claret and amber.
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burnmark
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by burnmark » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:51 pm
O/T but is there any of the Puma training kit left in the club shop or did it all go in the flash sale they held previously?
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by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:13 am
ClaretTony wrote:It was Genesis but I'm sure someone posted on the board a while ago that it was no longer the case.
In any case, we are still with Puma next season. Just hope the rumour I've heard that the away kit could be black is just that, a rumour.
I hope it is. This seasons aside, best away kit in years.
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by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:15 am
ClaretTony wrote:Don't know why not, they are the three popular colours that we can all relate to. The black and silver concoctions didn't sell either.
Well the black one definitely did. I bought three on top of another one bought as a gift for myself after having to give them away to mates abroad who loved it.
Very nice kit, IMO.
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by Pstotto » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:02 am
Let's hope it's not Hertha...
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by rishtonclaret » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:03 am
I worked as marketing manager at Genesis Sports for two years until last year and really enjoyed my time there, especially with me being a life long Burnley season ticket holder. Some great people working there. I understand the current Puma kit deal ends next season, so one more left after this season. I would think negotiatons are ongoing now for the 19/20 season onwards but it's up to the club and would depend on what other kit manufacturers offer up commercially. For the record, Puma own Genesis Sports and use Puma selected factories and designs drawn up by Puma. These designs are then offered to the club who are given a number of creative options using Pumas latest design template. Pretty much the same as how other brands work with pro clubs. So for example, the circle pattern on the sleeves appears on most "Puma" pro club designs on the current season kits - Leicester, Wolves, Burnley, Reading, etc.. Genesis handle this with the clubs and distribute pro kits to the club shops and work with the commercial teams to develop the designs. It's entirely up to the club if they want a bespoke kit or not. Arsenal for example, Dortmund another, are bespoke kits and as a few previous posters have said in this thread they carry a premium and depend on shirt sales potential. As a clarets fan myself I agree with most posts the current home and away shirt look great though I'd prefer white shorts for our home kit. I also know first hand that Sean Dyche gets involved with choosing the kits, along with the commercial and retail team.
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by box_of_frogs » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:36 am
To be honest, every time I’ve bought a shirt when we’ve been in the PL, we’ve been relegated. So I’m considering not getting one again!
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by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:52 am
cricketfieldclarets wrote:Well the black one definitely did. I bought three on top of another one bought as a gift for myself after having to give them away to mates abroad who loved it.
Very nice kit, IMO.
Regardless of how many you bought, the sales figures were very low.
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by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:55 am
rishtonclaret wrote:I worked as marketing manager at Genesis Sports for two years until last year and really enjoyed my time there, especially with me being a life long Burnley season ticket holder. Some great people working there. I understand the current Puma kit deal ends next season, so one more left after this season. I would think negotiatons are ongoing now for the 19/20 season onwards but it's up to the club and would depend on what other kit manufacturers offer up commercially. For the record, Puma own Genesis Sports and use Puma selected factories and designs drawn up by Puma. These designs are then offered to the club who are given a number of creative options using Pumas latest design template. Pretty much the same as how other brands work with pro clubs. So for example, the circle pattern on the sleeves appears on most "Puma" pro club designs on the current season kits - Leicester, Wolves, Burnley, Reading, etc.. Genesis handle this with the clubs and distribute pro kits to the club shops and work with the commercial teams to develop the designs. It's entirely up to the club if they want a bespoke kit or not. Arsenal for example, Dortmund another, are bespoke kits and as a few previous posters have said in this thread they carry a premium and depend on shirt sales potential. As a clarets fan myself I agree with most posts the current home and away shirt look great though I'd prefer white shorts for our home kit. I also know first hand that Sean Dyche gets involved with choosing the kits, along with the commercial and retail team.
Has something changed in last couple of years with the Genesis/Puma relationship? I’m sure someone posted something about it on here.
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by Falcon » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:58 am
Thanks for that Rishtonclaret. Very interesting insight.
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by wilks_bfc » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:02 am
ClaretTony wrote:Regardless of how many you bought, the sales figures were very low.
I only bought one at the end of season sale and that was only to use at the gym - and tbh I’ve hardly worn it for that
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by ClaretTony » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:18 am
I've found the answer to my own question regarding the Genesis/Puma relationship by doing a search. Having passed through references to Phil Collins & Peter Gabriel I found a post from rishtonclaret in May last year when he confirmed that Genesis had been bought out by Puma in 2016.
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by Fretters » Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:40 pm
You'd think we'd have more black with amber away strips considering they were our original colours. Didn't we have one for a third kit when we randomly celebrated our 120 year anniversary in 2002?
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by nyclaret » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:41 pm
How long is our shirt sponsorship deal with Dafabet?
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by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:52 pm
ClaretTony wrote:Regardless of how many you bought, the sales figures were very low.
You said they didn't sell
any. I bought 4.

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by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Fretters wrote:You'd think we'd have more black with amber away strips considering they were our original colours. Didn't we have one for a third kit when we randomly celebrated our 120 year anniversary in 2002?
Exactly - black goes back longer than pretty much most of our colours. Claret and yellow included!!!
A colour strongly associated with us is black. And if its good enough for New Zealand its good enough for us. Probably a spin on that actually with Wood promoting it!

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by mkmel » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:07 pm
ClaretTony wrote:Although I’ve been tipped off that it is black I’d still be amazed given how poorly the black kit sold in 2014/15.
It was more like a dirty grey colour and looked like a pyjama top with a far too wide neck.
Done correctly I like black football shirts
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by Blackrod » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:49 pm
An away kit should have some association with the club and club colours in my opinion. That means white, yellow or blue are acceptable but black and tinfoil silver are not.
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by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:00 pm
Blackrod wrote:An away kit should have some association with the club and club colours in my opinion. That means white, yellow or blue are acceptable but black and tinfoil silver are not.
Except we wore black before claret and even with claret.
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by Falcon » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:07 am
We should defo bring back that pink, white and navy kit from 1894/5.
Not even the most crusty Burnley fan would be anti-gay surrogacy decked out in that zesty little number.