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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't like to go on games (not for this reason) but i don't think i've been on a single Burnley game where i've not been disgusted by someone shouting racist abuse.
How many games have you actually been on ?
If what you are saying is true then give us a few examples and tell us where you were sitting. If you heard them then somebody will no doubt be able to confirm this.

As an aside why did you not report the racist abuse ? The club would have taken action.

There’s little point being outraged on an anonymous messageboard if you are going to sit there and do nothing in real life.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Dazzler » Tue May 01, 2018 10:09 pm

you can't punish a club for just booing an opponent can you?
Racial intimidation?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by LlandennyClaret » Tue May 01, 2018 10:11 pm

For his tax evasion?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42809696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:12 pm

martin_p wrote:No one is accusing the club of doing anything wrong. As such all they have to do is react if it’s found one or more supporter has done something.
I’m sorry I thought the fans were part of the club.
And the fans are being accused by everyone associated with BHA of doing something wrong.

When Spurs got fined for homophobic chants about Chelsea why did Spurs not say it was nothing to do with the club ?

The club should be defending the fans and it’s own reputation

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 01, 2018 10:15 pm

All this b0llocks adds fuel to the already blazing fire of hate for Brighton, I hope they collapse.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by dermotdermot » Tue May 01, 2018 10:17 pm

LlandennyClaret wrote:For his tax evasion?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42809696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Exactly what I was thinking. Odious fellow. Should have been sent off on Saturday. Is he actually asking for Burnley to be punished?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by martin_p » Tue May 01, 2018 10:24 pm

TVC15 wrote:I’m sorry I thought the fans were part of the club.
And the fans are being accused by everyone associated with BHA of doing something wrong.

When Spurs got fined for homophobic chants about Chelsea why did Spurs not say it was nothing to do with the club ?

The club should be defending the fans and it’s own reputation
It’s done! Peoples minds are made up and nothing is going to change that. It’s all grossly unfair and Brighton and their fans have behaved disgracefully in making their snide insinuations. But the damage is done, it’s too late. No racist chanting will be found but that’s not a story and nobody will care. It won’t get any media coverage and the fans who made the claims will have no action taken against them (the FA having already said that making accusations, even baseless ones it seems, is to be applauded).

There’s literally nothing that can be done to change this, so best not to add fuel to the fire and let in rumble on longer and longer.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Guich » Tue May 01, 2018 10:27 pm

Glenn Murray is an aging, cheating journeyman who plays for an average side, supported by a large number of self righteous fannies.

Why would anyone give a rats ass what he thinks?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 01, 2018 10:28 pm

TVC15 wrote:I’m sorry I thought the fans were part of the club.
And the fans are being accused by everyone associated with BHA of doing something wrong.

When Spurs got fined for homophobic chants about Chelsea why did Spurs not say it was nothing to do with the club ?

The club should be defending the fans and it’s own reputation
The Chairman and Dyche might be extremely embarrassed by the way the fans represented the club last Sat and how they continue to represent the club on forums such as this. Im sure they dont want to criticise their own fans so are probably remaining silent hoping you idiots all finally get over it and shut up so they can get on with whats important to them

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Guich » Tue May 01, 2018 10:29 pm

If the chairman and Dyche were embarrassed I'll eat my pants

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by thelaughingclaret » Tue May 01, 2018 10:29 pm

Why aren’t the police investigating Brighton fans calling us ‘a town full of pak*s’?
They actually sang that, we could all hear them yet no one does anything as it seems Brighton can’t be racist for some reason.
Or do the club in question have to be below Birmingham before anyone will give a damn?
Brighton are disgusting hypocrites.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:32 pm

“You idiots” ??

Is that all of the fans ? Or everybody but you ?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Tue May 01, 2018 10:32 pm

Has anyone reported the "pikeys" chant by Brighton fans? Only fair

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 01, 2018 10:38 pm

TVC15 wrote:“You idiots” ??

Is that all of the fans ? Or everybody but you ?
Neither, its a reference to all the "idiots" on here who have been going on and on about it from the moment the claim by Bong was made. You're like a bunch of shrieking, paranoid, schoolgirls whose favourite school subjects are conspiracy theories and the life and times of Enoch Powell

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by 1968claret » Tue May 01, 2018 10:44 pm

KRBFC wrote:I think our name has being dragged through the mud with all of this, the rest of the footballing world will not understand the situation fully like we do.
Although I agree the media reporting is not doing us any favours at all, I am not sure that the last statement is correct. On the wider footballing boards, Twitter, Facebook etc. The overall sentiment appears to be that BHA are overreacting and that players get booed all the time and that this was clearly not racist.
Media outlets do though appear to be very one sided in their reporting.
Don’t worry, after it kicks off before and after the Liverpool v Roma game, we will become old news!

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by bf2k » Tue May 01, 2018 10:44 pm

Racism. The easiest accusation to throw, probably the hardest to prove.

What annoys me is the band wagon gets jumped on by alleged people in the know. Ceril Regis and co must be disappointed in the people who use the racism card to bring themselves into the spot light. Did anyone know Bong before the Jay Rod allegation?

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by bf2k » Tue May 01, 2018 10:46 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:Why aren’t the police investigating Brighton fans calling us ‘a town full of pak*s’?
They actually sang that, we could all hear them yet no one does anything as it seems Brighton can’t be racist for some reason.
Or do the club in question have to be below Birmingham before anyone will give a damn?
Brighton are disgusting hypocrites.
Probably because a complaint hasn't been made and why should it?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:46 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Neither, its a reference to all the "idiots" on here who have been going on and on about it from the moment the claim by Bong was made. You're like a bunch of shrieking, paranoid, schoolgirls whose favourite school subjects are conspiracy theories and the life and times of Enoch Powell
Errr ok then

When you keep on saying “you” or “you’re” if that is referring to me then you are mental.

If you think some posters on this forum are racist as you are implying then call them out - or report them to the mods.
This thread though is about the clubs fans being accused of racism for booing Bong - which is ridiculous. Though to be honest it’s the same accusation you seem to be making is it not ?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Claret82 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:48 pm

My question is what could they do, is there a precedent?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 01, 2018 10:51 pm

I haven't called anyone racist. You are obviously making your own assumption that im calling people racist which is quite ironic because its the assumption of others about Burnley fans being racist that seems to be one of the things thats upset you.

Id prefer you all shut up about it as im sure our manager and Chairman does too cos its just embarrassing

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by martin_p » Tue May 01, 2018 10:53 pm

Claret82 wrote:My question is what could they do, is there a precedent?
They can’t do anything, nobody has done anything wrong. A player has had his feelings hurt, you’d think the EDL had been marching around the stands the way Brighton are reacting.

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:54 pm

bf2k wrote:Probably because a complaint hasn't been made and why should it?
Because that word is racist
Do you think it would be ok to sing a town full of the N word ? It’s exactly the same.

My only issue here is that I think this would be hypocritical as Burnley fans have disgracefully sang this to Blackburn fans. This kind of singing is exactly what any club should be punished for as should any fan singing it (which I accept is hard to pinpoint when so many do)

For me the club should be fined initially if it’s fans sing a racist song. The club should then warn fans that if it happens again individual fans could be banned if they are caught singing a racist song - it’s no different than calling someone the P or N word.

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by martin_p » Tue May 01, 2018 10:56 pm

And because it’s probably made up, like the monkey noise claims.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by TVC15 » Tue May 01, 2018 10:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I haven't called anyone racist. You are obviously making your own assumption that im calling people racist which is quite ironic because its the assumption of others about Burnley fans being racist that seems to be one of the things thats upset you.

Id prefer you all shut up about it as im sure our manager and Chairman does too cos its just embarrassing
So the reference to Enoch Powell was what exactly ? A reference to our fans being Tory supporters or just liking moustaches ?!!

Nothing ironic at all. Do you think the fans were being racist for booing Bong ?

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by pureclaret » Tue May 01, 2018 11:08 pm

what could they do ?
Ban Burnley fans from say European away games, ban us from entering cup games. Fine us

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 01, 2018 11:15 pm

TVC15 wrote:So the reference to Enoch Powell was what exactly ? A reference to our fans being Tory supporters or just liking moustaches ?!!

Nothing ironic at all. Do you think the fans were being racist for booing Bong ?
No but I think the way that as soon as this story broke the reaction of a lot of posters and subsequently the narrative of this messageboard which was to go on the attack against Bong and accuse him of playing the race card as seems to happen for all news stories of this nature is what triggered the issues and the booing. I think this kind of reaction to these stories happen because we have a section of posters on here who have and push an agenda driven by racist opinions.

Anyhow you made a point of suggesting the club should come out and defend the fans and I suggested they probably were embarrassed by the treatment of Bong by our fans because he had the audacity to report what he felt was racist abuse. You then asked me who I meant by "Idiots" to which I politely replied and then you made an assumption I was accusing people of being racist and I just pointed out it is the assumption the rest of the country has made by what the booing meant that is one of the main things everyone is getting worked up about

Now I cant spend all day helping you out by answering question after question so I suggest I get your pal Eddie involved and let you two have a pointless and embarrassing tit for tat argument for the next day or two and maybe arrange meeting up. I''ll then maybe drop back into the conversation another day when i have some time.

I think thats fair

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by martin_p » Tue May 01, 2018 11:16 pm

pureclaret wrote:what could they do ?
Ban Burnley fans from say European away games, ban us from entering cup games. Fine us
Think you’re being a tad over dramatic. Even if they discovered a couple of racist chants (and they won’t) it’d be a fine at the very worse. Probably just let the club issue life bans though.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by JohnMac » Tue May 01, 2018 11:21 pm

Of course, in Brighton they don't have any homophobic racists. Certainly everyone is absolutely purer than the driven snow.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Claret82 » Tue May 01, 2018 11:29 pm

I noticed Sky has changed it's order of stories, earlier it was 'Burnley in Europe' then 'Glen Murray story' now it has been switched to allow the 'Burnley in Europe' story to end in a positive.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by pureclaret » Tue May 01, 2018 11:35 pm

It may seem over dramatic but lets look at the evidence and use FA logic 1)id Bong get booed ? Yes
2 was it a reaction to or in all probability connected to a case involving Bong and Race/ or discrimination ? Yes it probably was linked to this case
3 No one likes us, no one likes ? We are Burnley from the North
Case Proven against Burnley

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 01, 2018 11:51 pm

martin_p wrote:It’s done! Peoples minds are made up and nothing is going to change that. It’s all grossly unfair and Brighton and their fans have behaved disgracefully in making their snide insinuations. But the damage is done, it’s too late. No racist chanting will be found but that’s not a story and nobody will care. It won’t get any media coverage and the fans who made the claims will have no action taken against them (the FA having already said that making accusations, even baseless ones it seems, is to be applauded).

There’s literally nothing that can be done to change this, so best not to add fuel to the fire and let in rumble on longer and longer.
Whilst I agree with you, I still think a statement to at least try and clear our name in all of this is needed.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by KRBFC » Tue May 01, 2018 11:55 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No but I think the way that as soon as this story broke the reaction of a lot of posters and subsequently the narrative of this messageboard which was to go on the attack against Bong and accuse him of playing the race card as seems to happen for all news stories of this nature is what triggered the issues and the booing. I think this kind of reaction to these stories happen because we have a section of posters on here who have and push an agenda driven by racist opinions.
But but but it's Jay Rodriguez, he was born in Burnley y'know....... ;)

Jay Rodriguez could commit any crime and still have the backing of the majority on here.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Spiral » Wed May 02, 2018 12:11 am

TVC15 wrote:Do you think the fans were being racist for booing Bong ?
There's nothing racist in and of itself in booing a player but it would do the (seemingly) majority on here and elsewhere the world of good to stop being so insular and tribal and recognise the bigger picture. There's been a concerted effort by the football authorities and various pressure groups to change the culture of football to one where racism is challenged and ultimately stamped out and a huge part of that is cultivating an environment where those who feel they have been the subject of racist abuse have the confidence to actually speak up in the knowledge that their claims will be giver proper consideration.

Whether or not Bong did or didn't hear what he might or might not have heard, and his questionable lack of grace, is irrelevant. The FA were convinced he made the claims in good faith, which is the essential point. Booing him mercilessly, perhaps viciously, for raising a complaint undermines the efforts of those involved in attempting to stamp out racism in football. If you found his behaviour to be classless, fine. That's your prerogative, but the mature thing to do would have been to rise above it. Rodriguez is a big boy, he can look after himself. As I mentioned on another thread, you don't support him my attacking the complainant. Perhaps in the future people will consider the optics before acting on their baser instincts.

Side note, I'm sick of the 'kick one, kick us all' attitude and people presuming to speak for me/others (strangers) as Burnley fans. It's that attitude that got us in this situation in the first place. For the sake of the club this needs to die a death.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by dsr » Wed May 02, 2018 12:12 am

KRBFC wrote:But but but it's Jay Rodriguez, he was born in Burnley y'know....... ;)

Jay Rodriguez could commit any crime and still have the backing of the majority on here.
Actually, I think it's more that Jay Rodriguez could be accused of any crime with no competent evidence against him, and still get the backing of the majority on here. A man claims he can hear every word spoken to him by a man with his hand over his mouth, in a football crowd, and he couldn't possibly be wrong; that is the single piece of evidence against him. If that accusation was made by someone you don't know, against a friend / family member / colleague of yours, would you automatically assume your friend / family member / colleague was guilty?

It's only natural. If someone who you're acquainted with and like, personally or by reputation, is accused of a serious offence by someone you don't know; and a professional tribunal decides there is no evidence of wrongdoing; you tend to believe and support the person you know. Well, I do, anyway.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by 4:20 » Wed May 02, 2018 12:29 am

The statements Bong made after the verdict, this is why I booed him.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Dazzler » Wed May 02, 2018 12:31 am

Can I just say thanks to all those who thought it necessary to boo a black player.
How intelligent of them that they did not forsee any potential that it could drag the name of Burnley FC & once again the town 'through the dirt'

Also,I was very surprised on reading a few posters comments that advocated this booing.
Posters that I thought had certain qualities & standards.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by dsr » Wed May 02, 2018 12:42 am

Dazzler wrote:Can I just say thanks to all those who thought it necessary to boo a black player.
How intelligent of them that they did not forsee any potential that it could drag the name of Burnley FC & once again the town 'through the dirt'
I didn't boo, but I can honestly say that I never thought the colour of Bong's skin was an issue. Martin Luther King had a dream that "my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character". I can see the point of treating Bong differently just because of his skin colour, but I don't like it. I prefer King's dream.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by 4:20 » Wed May 02, 2018 12:51 am

Don't boo black player because this this and this will happen.

What in the literal ****.

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Re: BHA to investigate Bong abuse claims

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed May 02, 2018 12:57 am

thelaughingclaret wrote:Why aren’t the police investigating Brighton fans calling us ‘a town full of pak*s’?
They actually sang that, we could all hear them yet no one does anything as it seems Brighton can’t be racist for some reason.
Or do the club in question have to be below Birmingham before anyone will give a damn?
Brighton are disgusting hypocrites.
Think they sang a town full of Rascists

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 02, 2018 1:03 am

Anyone who noticed the colour of his skin, and believes that the skin colour is fundamental in all this is a racist....

He's just a footballer who got got booed for falling out with a lad born in Burnley.
Can't we just put this down?

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Re: FA issue statement to say some Burnley fans behaviour unacceptable on Saturday

Post by BleedingClaret » Wed May 02, 2018 1:06 am

CombatClaret wrote:So is trying to shame and silence a player for exercising his right not to be, in his opinion, racially abused.

An incident which has been deemed unprovable, not false.
Assumed innocent until proven guilty

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Dazzler » Wed May 02, 2018 1:08 am

boatshed bill wrote:Anyone who noticed the colour of his skin, and believes that the skin colour is fundamental in all this is a racist....

He's just a footballer who got got booed for falling out with a lad born in Burnley.
Can't we just put this down?
Tell that to Bong,Brighton Fc,The FA,Race Relations,Diane Abbott and while you're at it,the rest of the world

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I missed out Glen Murray

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by boatshed bill » Wed May 02, 2018 1:18 am

Dazzler wrote:Tell that to Bong,Brighton Fc,The FA,Race Relations,Diane Abbott and while you're at it,the rest of the world

Edit
I missed out Glen Murray
Well, I have my own opinion on what constitutes a racist, and will stick with it.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Dazzler » Wed May 02, 2018 1:23 am

boatshed bill wrote:Well, I have my own opinion on what constitutes a racist, and will stick with it.
I will therefore stick you in the unimaginative self-centred bracket.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Somethingfishy » Wed May 02, 2018 2:20 am

Dazzler wrote:Can I just say thanks to all those who thought it necessary to boo a black player.
How intelligent of them that they did not forsee any potential that it could drag the name of Burnley FC & once again the town 'through the dirt'

Also,I was very surprised on reading a few posters comments that advocated this booing.
Posters that I thought had certain qualities & standards.
So by saying that it is not ok to boo a black player are you inferring that white players are fair game to random booing? Or is all booing now not allowed? Surely anti-racism works by people being treated equally? Something that those that shout racist the loudest often fail to take into consideration because they are too consumed in being seen as PC.
The colour of Bongs skin never came into it. This is something Brighton fans, Hughton and the FA have completely bypassed in pursuit of a PC agenda. The FA in particular making themselves look completely foolish (as always)in their statement by more or less saying booing someone is unacceptable. Trotting out the inquiries findings is totally meaningless and shows they have completely misread the fans reasons for booing Bong.

It's as though they are all standing with eyes closed..hands over ears..going blah blah blah very childishly as we try to explain..and every now and then shouting racist. That is how it feels.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by KRBFC » Wed May 02, 2018 2:27 am

dsr wrote:Actually, I think it's more that Jay Rodriguez could be accused of any crime with no competent evidence against him, and still get the backing of the majority on here. A man claims he can hear every word spoken to him by a man with his hand over his mouth, in a football crowd, and he couldn't possibly be wrong; that is the single piece of evidence against him. If that accusation was made by someone you don't know, against a friend / family member / colleague of yours, would you automatically assume your friend / family member / colleague was guilty?

It's only natural. If someone who you're acquainted with and like, personally or by reputation, is accused of a serious offence by someone you don't know; and a professional tribunal decides there is no evidence of wrongdoing; you tend to believe and support the person you know. Well, I do, anyway.
The difference being you don't know Rodriguez.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Grimsdale » Wed May 02, 2018 4:25 am

Dazzler wrote:Can I just say thanks to all those who thought it necessary to boo a black player.
How intelligent of them that they did not forsee any potential that it could drag the name of Burnley FC & once again the town 'through the dirt'
At least there will be none of this in our next home game.

*checks opposition team sheet*

*sees ex-Rover Josh King*

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by bartons baggage » Wed May 02, 2018 6:01 am

Grimsdale wrote:At least there will be none of this in our next home game.

*checks opposition team sheet*

*sees ex-Rover Josh King*

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Ha ha brilliant. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed May 02, 2018 6:38 am

Dazzler wrote:Tell that to Bong,Brighton Fc,The FA,Race Relations,Diane Abbott and while you're at it,the rest of the world

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I missed out Glen Murray
It’s set to get worse I believe Brighton are taking this to the UN this morning.

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Re: Glen Murray asking for punishment

Post by ten bellies » Wed May 02, 2018 6:51 am

Dazzler wrote:Can I just say thanks to all those who thought it necessary to boo a black player.
How intelligent of them that they did not forsee any potential that it could drag the name of Burnley FC & once again the town 'through the dirt'

Also,I was very surprised on reading a few posters comments that advocated this booing.
Posters that I thought had certain qualities & standards.
The booing was not of a black player. Just a player who does not accept he was mistaken.

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