Dennis Nilsen dies

[martin_p]

I've had a look and his evidence that trafficking won't be affected by the ending of free movement is that trafficking and free movement aren't correlated. So, there. That's his evidence. I'd have used "logic" as a better description.

Now it's your turn to provide some kind of evidence (or logic) that supports your opinion. We on the Remain side like to only deal with evidence-based opinions. I understand that's often a problem for you on the Leave side (you inparticular) but give it a go. Explain to the rest of us how you have arrived at your opinion. If you can't provide a coherent explanation of how you have formed your opinion then don't make the attempt.

We'll draw our conclusions from whichever option you choose.

Cheers! Glad I haven’t had to explain it again. Banging your head against a brick wall is really painful!

[claretandy]

I thought it was pretty funny too. You guys do like to fantasise about the likes of me being angry, don't you?

It definitely triggered you.

[Imploding Turtle]

Cheers! Glad I haven’t had to explain it again. Banging your head against a brick wall is really painful!

He won't be explaining his opinion. He's like Rowls, a hypocrite and dilettante who disappears or ignores you if you dare to ask them what it is that informs their demonstrably nonsense opinions.

[BennyD]

The cost of keeping criminals in prison is the price we pay for being a civilized race.

It’s not the price we pay, it’s the penalty we pay. Personally, I think that any person who kills a child or policeman should have a mandatory death sentence and the snowflakes can argue over the short term future of the rest. I object to my taxes being wasted on such worthless scumbags.

[Imploding Turtle]

It’s not the price we pay, it’s the penalty we pay. Personally, I think that any person who kills a child or policeman should have a mandatory death sentence and the snowflakes can argue over the short term future of the rest. I object to my taxes being wasted on such worthless scumbags.

But, it costs more to kill them.

Unless you're willing to kill them immediately and forego their right to appeal against conviction, which will result in even more innocent people being executed. Actually, i think you're absolutely fine with that, aren't you?

[BennyD]

No, once the due process has been completed and they are found guilty let them appeal once, and if it fails then string them up. I’d be Ok with that. Too many young thugs are willing to take a life to prove their manliness and make a reputation, so the state should be able to remove such scumbags from society. Permanently.

[Imploding Turtle]

No, once the due process has been completed and they are found guilty let them appeal once, and if it fails then string them up. I’d be Ok with that. Too many young thugs are willing to take a life to prove their manliness and make a reputation, so the state should be able to remove such scumbags from society. Permanently.

And what about all the innocent people we'll be killing? Just collateral damage, or something? **** em?

It's kinda weird that you're literally valuing the lives of innocent people less than the money we spend to avoid killing them. Are these the British values you want immigrants to assimilate into; money matters more than innocent lives?

In the US it already costs more to execute someone with their death penalty and string of appeals, and they still kill innocent people. Imagine how many more innocent people they'd be killing if they saved money by reducing the number of appeals available.

Your option makes no sense. You want to kill people who kill innocent people, yet your solution would lead to even more innocent people being killed. And your solution to save taxpayer money by killing these people would cost more tax payer money to actually kill these people than just putting them in a prison until they die.

So come on, just admit what the rest of us already know. It's not about tax payer money. It's about getting vengeance. These are your values, but fortunately they aren't British Values™ other wise you or I could end up being executed for a crime we didn't commit. Of course, that would never happen to you or I, would it? Just like all those innocent people America kills thought it couldn't happen to them.

And what's the evidence that the death penalty reduces the murder rate there? Just today it was reported that London's murder rate is lower than the top 50 U.S. cities. So tell me more about how capital punishment reduces homocides effectively.

Just like Brexit, your solution doesn't fix the problem you want it to fix, and makes a bunch of other things worse. It's kinda of a trend right now on the right-wing of politics.
And when are you going to start valuing British Values™? You people keep wanting to change our fundamental values, yet you whine and bitch when people come here and don't live by the values you apparently despise. What's up with that?

[RingoMcCartney]

Cheers! Glad I haven’t had to explain it again. Banging your head against a brick wall is really painful!

You could always stop the head banging, and simply show me the evidence you had that ending free movement of people would not help to stop exploitation, modern day slavery and people trafficking.

Remember I only had an opinion. Where as you Marty, well you had the evidence. Or so you claimed. It's never to late to get in the Delorean you know Marty!

[RingoMcCartney]

I've had a look and his evidence that trafficking won't be affected by the ending of free movement is that trafficking and free movement aren't correlated. So, there.

You've had a look at it!!!!?



You've had a look at it?

You've had a look at HIS evidence!!!!

Considering he hasn't got any, you've done exceptionally well my idiotic bunker dwelling zero in a half shell!!!!

And to top it off with a side splitting "So there" was 6 year girlesque, comedy gold !!!!

[ClaretMoffitt]

I thought it was pretty funny too. You guys do like to fantasise about the likes of me being angry, don't you?

Not really I just proper like the idea of a Turtle Bunker

[Imploding Turtle]

Admittedly 'Zero in a half shell' is pretty funny.

[RingoMcCartney]

Now it's your turn to provide some kind of evidence (or logic) that supports your opinion.
.

You really are a total and utter gold plated, idiot aren't you! You just don't get it do you. I have no evidence! Take a moment to have the opportunity to that thought sink in to that dense shell of yours.

I only have an opinion. An opinion that when a country that formerly had an open door policy to immigration, ends the policy of free movement of people. It will make it more tricky for exploitative gangs to smuggle in their victims.

For the last time- I have no evidence! You idiot!

[Top Claret]

Do any of you wankers actually go on the turf or have even watched Burnley play?. I reckon Imploding Turd is not even a Claret, just some fat lefty ponce who trolls the Web picking a political argument here and their

[Imploding Turtle]

Do any of you wankers actually go on the turf or have even watched Burnley play?. I reckon Imploding Turd is not even a Claret, just some fat lefty ponce who trolls the Web picking a political argument here and their

Oooh. You'll have all the handbag clutchers on your back for this post. They get really upset when i call someone an idiot, i'm absolutely sure none of them are hypocrites who will ignore your post.

I mean, i have no evidence for this opinion, because they only ever seem to get upset at me and never people directing insults in my direction, but apparently it's ok to make claims without evidence. Aint that right, Ringo?

[RingoMcCartney]

We on the Remain side like to only deal with evidence-based opinions.

You like to deal with it.!?

But don't, and actually can't, provide it!!!!!!



Now I know you spend your days in a subterranean twilight zone. But I'm not prepared to go down this particular rabbit hole with you.

Why not meet up with Marty and get him to take you for a spin in the Delorean. You never know, the pair of you may find that, future based, evidence that's proving so elusive.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Do any of you wankers actually go on the turf or have even watched Burnley play?. I reckon Imploding Turd is not even a Claret, just some fat lefty ponce who trolls the Web picking a political argument here and their

Apparently he's a really skinny, introverted lad shy of some vitamin D according to a lad I know.

[ClaretAndJew]

You like to deal with it.!?

But don't, and actually can't, provide it!!!!!!



Now I know you spend your days in a subterranean twilight zone. But I'm not prepared to go down this particular rabbit hole with you.

Why not meet up with Marty and get him to take you for a spin in the Delorean. You never know, the pair of you may find that, future based, evidence that's proving so elusive.

Doc Brown flies the DeLoreon <3

[RingoMcCartney]

Do any of you wankers actually go on the turf or have even watched Burnley play?

Er yeah.

That's why I posted around dinner time, then carried on now I've got back. Not the best of games but best position for donkeys years and European footy to look forward to next season.

Reasons to be cheerful.

Oh, and w@nking as well!

[RingoMcCartney]

Apparently he's a really skinny, introverted lad shy of some vitamin D according to a lad I know.

He's made several attempts at putting some, years out of date, tubes of unused Ambro Solaire in the recycle bin. But can't get past the ever-growing pile of fast food delivery menus, final demand notifications, free news papers and junk mail stacked up behind the reinforced steel access doors.

[Imploding Turtle]

And to think i get **** for calling you people 'idiots'.

[ClaretMoffitt]

And to think i get **** for calling you people 'idiots'.

In fairness you've called me a mentally ill/brain damaged neo-nazi in the past so you give as good as you get

[Imploding Turtle]

In fairness you've called me a mentally ill/brain damaged neo-nazi in the past so you give as good as you get

No i didn't. I said you should see a doctor about your personality change from being a liberal to being a far right extremist. That's not at all the same as calling you mentally ill or brain damaged. I gave good advice, and you should follow it. I also said chances are you're in the clear and it's just that you're a prick/****/**** (i forget the exact word).

[Imploding Turtle]

He's made several attempts at putting some, years out of date, tubes of unused Ambro Solaire in the recycle bin. But can't get past the ever-growing pile of fast food delivery menus, final demand notifications, free news papers and junk mail stacked up behind the reinforced steel access doors.

I think you're projecting here. Are you sure the reinforced steel access door isn't from your time in "hospital"?

[ClaretMoffitt]

No i didn't. I said you should see a doctor about your personality change from being a liberal to being a far right extremist. That's not at all the same as calling you mentally ill or brain damaged. I gave good advice, and you should follow it. I also said chances are you're in the clear and it's just that you're a prick/****/**** (i forget the exact word).

Fair play fam.

[bob-the-scutter]

That was Donald Nielsen aka the Black Panther. Different bloke.

I stand corrected! Alway got the 2 mixed up.
So big Don's still alive then?

[BennyD]

And what about all the innocent people we'll be killing? Just collateral damage, or something? **** em?

It's kinda weird that you're literally valuing the lives of innocent people less than the money we spend to avoid killing them. Are these the British values you want immigrants to assimilate into; money matters more than innocent lives?

In the US it already costs more to execute someone with their death penalty and string of appeals, and they still kill innocent people. Imagine how many more innocent people they'd be killing if they saved money by reducing the number of appeals available.

Your option makes no sense. You want to kill people who kill innocent people, yet your solution would lead to even more innocent people being killed. And your solution to save taxpayer money by killing these people would cost more tax payer money to actually kill these people than just putting them in a prison until they die.

So come on, just admit what the rest of us already know. It's not about tax payer money. It's about getting vengeance. These are your values, but fortunately they aren't British Values™ other wise you or I could end up being executed for a crime we didn't commit. Of course, that would never happen to you or I, would it? Just like all those innocent people America kills thought it couldn't happen to them.

And what's the evidence that the death penalty reduces the murder rate there? Just today it was reported that London's murder rate is lower than the top 50 U.S. cities. So tell me more about how capital punishment reduces homocides effectively.

Just like Brexit, your solution doesn't fix the problem you want it to fix, and makes a bunch of other things worse. It's kinda of a trend right now on the right-wing of politics.
And when are you going to start valuing British Values™? You people keep wanting to change our fundamental values, yet you whine and bitch when people come here and don't live by the values you apparently despise. What's up with that?

You have your opinion and I have mine and I t looks like we’ll never agree so let’s agree to disagree. At the moment your opinion tallys with the official line, in years to come, it might not. Anyway, the need to get revenge is a perfectly normal reaction for a lot of people but not, apparently, the snowflakes of society. Over and out.

[Imploding Turtle]

You have your opinion and I have mine and I t looks like we’ll never agree so let’s agree to disagree. At the moment your opinion tallys with the official line, in years to come, it might not. Anyway, the need to get revenge is a perfectly normal reaction for a lot of people but not, apparently, the snowflakes of society. Over and out.

Snowflakes are the ones who don't need to get revenge? Snowflakes are typically the kind of people who can't control their emotions well enough that their need for vengeance overcomes their other supposed values, like, for example, not wanting to see innocent people get killed. Which is hilarious because innocent people getting killed is what causes their need for vengeance. See how dumb your position is? Aside from it making you the snowflake, it's literally a cause of the thing you claim to want vengeance for.

[martin_p]

You've had a look at it!!!!?



You've had a look at it?

You've had a look at HIS evidence!!!!

Considering he hasn't got any, you've done exceptionally well my idiotic bunker dwelling zero in a half shell!!!!

And to top it off with a side splitting "So there" was 6 year girlesque, comedy gold !!!!

I posted what IT refers to on the original thread and you ignored it because it didn’t fit your narrative.

[RingoMcCartney]

I posted what IT refers to on the original thread and you ignored it because it didn’t fit your narrative.

Stop banging your head against a brick wall. Bring on the evidence my time travelling friend!

Go for it Marty!

[martin_p]

Stop banging your head against a brick wall. Bring on the evidence my time travelling friend!

Go for it Marty!

All there on the original thread. Do some time travelling yourself and go back and find it. (Warning - you were too stupid to understand it last time, so don’t be surprised if you’re confused again).

[RingoMcCartney]

All there on the original thread. Do some time travelling yourself and go back and find it. (Warning - you were too stupid to understand it last time, so don’t be surprised if you’re confused again).

Nothing the first time round, as you well know. However, clearly, with you being so intellectually superior, it really wouldn't be that difficult to just cut n paste this Holy Grail
you cling onto would it now!



Come on now. Don't be shy Marty! Let's celebrate European football with you providing this cast iron evidence that ending free movement of people would not help to stop human exploitation, people trafficking and modern day slavery. Let's make it memorable for all the right reasons! Go on tiger, you can do it!!

I'll pay for the petrol for the Delorean myself!!!

[tim_noone]

I stand corrected! Alway got the 2 mixed up.
So big Don's still alive then?

No...

[BennyD]

Snowflakes are the ones who don't need to get revenge? Snowflakes are typically the kind of people who can't control their emotions well enough that their need for vengeance overcomes their other supposed values, like, for example, not wanting to see innocent people get killed. Which is hilarious because innocent people getting killed is what causes their need for vengeance. See how dumb your position is? Aside from it making you the snowflake, it's literally a cause of the thing you claim to want vengeance for.

You don’t half post some drivel. Anyway, I don’t have to converse with you and I’m not going to so please, go troll elsewhere.

[Blackrod]

These are real people that were butchered with real families. I always wonder what these 'human rights ' types that side that want to counsel and support criminals instead of punish would do if it was their own families that were involved. The same applies to the money grabbing lawyers that defend them. I'm sure if Imploding Turtle was maimed in an attempted murder he wouldn't be as supporting of the monster that did it. Books and ideals are great but reality is different.

[Lowbankclaret]

I 100% think the death penalty should be brought back be very serious crimes such as his.
The money saved should be used to build more prisons and all sentences doubled.

[Imploding Turtle]

I 100% think the death penalty should be brought back be very serious crimes such as his.
The money saved should be used to build more prisons and all sentences doubled.

The money saved would be a negative figure.
I wonder how many prisons could be built with less than zero pounds.

Lets do a little maths exercise to show you how dumb your opinion is.

If the government could spend £900,000 on housing a prisoner but instead chooses to kill the prisoner at a cost of £1,000,000. How much has the government saved. Even you, and benny, and Blackrod, and Ringo should have the schooling to work out this most basic of maths problems.

The death penalty costs more, you dumb *****. Stop talking about savings.

[Blackrod]

It shouldn't and doesn't have to cost more to kill a convicted murderer than to house them in prison for years on end. Having read the official hangman's autobiography it appears to have been quite a cheap operation in years gone by.

Anyone would think you were left wing. When people have differing opinions to you you resort to name calling.

[Bfcboyo]

Nilsen had a mongrel dog named Bleep. After its master attempted to drown a victim in the bath, it revived the unconscious man by licking his face, and he was able to escape.

Good dog.

That sick little puppy was tasting him.!

[Bfcboyo]

The money saved would be a negative figure.
I wonder how many prisons could be built with less than zero pounds.

Lets do a little maths exercise to show you how dumb your opinion is.

If the government could spend £900,000 on housing a prisoner but instead chooses to kill the prisoner at a cost of £1,000,000. How much has the government saved. Even you, and benny, and Blackrod, and Ringo should have the schooling to work out this most basic of maths problems.

The death penalty costs more, you dumb *****. Stop talking about savings.

It doesn't cost more. Not with the new judge, jury and exocutioner all rolled into one key workers role as part of cut backs.

[Imploding Turtle]

It shouldn't and doesn't have to cost more to kill a convicted murderer than to house them in prison for years on end. Having read the official hangman's autobiography it appears to have been quite a cheap operation in years gone by.

Anyone would think you were left wing. When people have differing opinions to you you resort to name calling.

You're right. It doesn't have to cost more. But then you'd be killing even more innocent people who were wrongfully convicted. Why are you OK with that? You claim to want to kill people who kill innocent people, so who's going to kill the executioners when they kill the wrongfully convicted. You?

[Lowbankclaret]

The money saved would be a negative figure.
I wonder how many prisons could be built with less than zero pounds.

Lets do a little maths exercise to show you how dumb your opinion is.

If the government could spend £900,000 on housing a prisoner but instead chooses to kill the prisoner at a cost of £1,000,000. How much has the government saved. Even you, and benny, and Blackrod, and Ringo should have the schooling to work out this most basic of maths problems.

The death penalty costs more, you dumb *****. Stop talking about savings.

The trial will cost the same with or without the death penalty.

The method by which it may be carried out could cost a small amount or a large amount, but your claim of 1 million smacks of desperate attempts to build up an argument.

[Imploding Turtle]

The trial will cost the same with or without the death penalty.

The method by which it may be carried out could cost a small amount or a large amount, but your claim of 1 million smacks of desperate attempts to build up an argument.

I think it's pretty desperate to use figures i've made up to demonstrate the concept as if i'm literally saying it only costs £1 million.

I'm assuming you lot want a US style system rather than a Saudi Arabian-style system (but maybe i'm wrong about that) so here's some financial info about that US system
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[claretandy]

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Nilsen confess to everything ? so no need for years and years on death row and countless appeals ?

[taio]

I think it's pretty desperate to use figures i've made up to demonstrate the concept as if i'm literally saying it only costs £1 million.

I'm assuming you lot want a US style system rather than a Saudi Arabian-style system (but maybe i'm wrong about that) so here's some financial info about that US system
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who has said they want a US style system? My assumption is that those who support execution in the UK are only referring to the very small number of the most psychopathic criminals who have committed the most despicable crimes. The people who are on whole life orders for example and where there is no doubt that their conviction was totally safe to the extent that any request for an appeal could be swiftly thrown out. That way the cost to which you keep referring to would be lower than the cost of locking them up for life, or if that's not the case, which I very much doubt, it becomes pretty irrelevant anyway.

[Imploding Turtle]

Who has said they want a US style system? My assumption is that those who support execution in the UK are only referring to the very small number of the most psychopathic criminals who have committed the most despicable crimes. The people who are on whole life orders for example and where there is no doubt that their conviction was totally safe to the extent that any request for an appeal could be swiftly thrown out. That way the cost to which you keep referring to would be lower than the cost of locking them up for life, or if that's not the case, which I very much doubt, it becomes pretty irrelevant anyway.

So they want a system that's even more strict than the US, which itself is already a system that costs more than just locking them up for life.

That means the system they want is even more cost inefficient, which just further proves my point, that their whining that we spend too much money locking them up for life is dumb as ****.

And you can't just throw out requests for appeal without hearing the appeal. The only way we would know that their conviction is "totally safe" would be to hear these appeals and then reject them.