Aston Villa v Middlesbrough

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Tue May 15, 2018 7:46 pm

Just about to get underway.

Fancy Boro here, no idea why.

Vintage Claret · Post by **Vintage Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 7:57 pm

Hoping for a Villa win, never been to Villa Park so would hopefully get the chance to tick off another away ground next season.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:02 pm

Would love to see us sign Ben Gibson if Boro bottle it and in the event of a disaster if Mee leaves. Surprised he stayed loyal to them this season he’s a great defender.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:20 pm

Traore for Boro has yet to pass to one of his own teammates! He must be frustrating to watch.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:26 pm

Snodgrass booked for this. Clearly first to the ball, if he gets a second yellow he’ll be peeved.

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conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:33 pm

Well,let's hope he does ..

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:42 pm

Jack grealish?
Yes please

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:52 pm

yeah if Villa don't make it I'd be trying to sign him

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 8:59 pm

pleased we missed out on Assombalonga, he's offered nothing in either leg so far

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 pm

Boro settling for 0-0 and bring Bamford on

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:24 pm

I think Middlesbrough will really go for it in the third leg.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:26 pm

Hope Pulis has brought plenty of tissues to wipe Bamfords tears at full time.

Awful game with two very average teams.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:29 pm

Don't think Fulham will be fretting about either of these.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:33 pm

Not looking down on them pointing out they both are very average.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:33 pm

Talking of all the more stupid...welcome back

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm

Raya4espania2018 wrote:I love the way so many of your fans try to look down on teams these days like you've been a top flight club for decades. Considering the journey youve been on since the 70s, makes it all the more stupid.

Pass the tissues Pat!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm

how is that not a red for the keeper ?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm

How’s the Villa keeper not been sent off for that hand ball?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:35 pm

That's a red card all day long wtf

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Raya4espania2018 wrote:Average is what you've been most of the time since the 70s.. Come to think of it, average is being very kind.

And what mighty achievements have your club made during that time?

Claretincraven · Post by **Claretincraven** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Mike Dean is a clown.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 pm

shambolic from Dean, basic decision, balls going in

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:40 pm

Raya4espania2018 wrote:Average is what you've been most of the time since the 70s.. Come to think of it, average is being very kind.

Yet you are still obsessed with us......

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:41 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:shambolic from Dean, basic decision, balls going in

Even if it wasn’t the goalkeeper didn’t know and has basically made a save outside the area and got a yellow card!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:42 pm

Dean should have been retired years ago.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:44 pm

Lucky that Boro have Valdes and Negredo to keep them up in the PL

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:48 pm

Yeh but Dyche hates Boro because of them beating Chesterfield 20 odd years ago.

Tits

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yeh but Dyche hates Boro because of them cheating Chesterfield 20 odd years ago.

Tits

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

On signing Assombalonga Gibson boasting they were gonna smash the championship... hmmm really
Rancid club
Odious people

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:02 pm

Correct decision by Mike Dean and correct card given, It was just a handball outside the box and there were covering defenders, therefore did not deny a goalscoring opportunity.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm

I’d class it as a goal scoring opportunity myself.
Even if it was Traore.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Correct decision by Mike Dean and correct card given, It was just a handball outside the box and there were covering defenders, therefore did not deny a goalscoring opportunity.

Nice to know somebody knows the football laws..Well done Mike Dean..

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:12 pm

How sh** and boring were Boro, didn't even attack just sat in and prayed for a scrappy goal, it was like watching a Dyche team 70% of the team.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:15 pm

meltdown well under way, pick a thread, any thread

https://oneboro.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=6

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:18 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Correct decision by Mike Dean and correct card given, It was just a handball outside the box and there were covering defenders, therefore did not deny a goalscoring opportunity.

I don’t think there was any way Terry was getting to the ball. He wasn’t directly behind the keeper and the ball was both travelling at speed and on the upward part of its arc. It would have gone well out of his reach. Had the game been using VAR the keeper would have walked without a doubt.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:25 pm

KRBFC wrote:How sh** and boring were Boro, didn't even attack just sat in and prayed for a scrappy goal, it was like watching a Dyche team 70% of the team.

Well, apart from the fact that they haven’t ended the season being promoted to the Premier League.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:29 pm

martin_p wrote:I don’t think there was any way Terry was getting to the ball. He wasn’t directly behind the keeper and the ball was both travelling at speed and on the upward part of its arc. It would have gone well out of his reach. Had the game been using VAR the keeper would have walked without a doubt.

Referee was in the best position to judge the situation as he was directly behind it, he made his decision on what he saw, not on what any tv replays and pundits make of it. It may be old fashioned, however, the referee's decision is final and, from what he saw, the deicision was correct.
He may also have thought that the ball was on its upward arc and would have been nowhere near the goal. He made the decision from what he saw which is what referees do, in spite of all the various opinions of pundits, fans etc.
From what he saw he gave a free kick and cautioned the keeper for handball outside the box. According to The Laws of the Game he was 100% correct.

Ealing_Claret · Post by **Ealing_Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:And what mighty achievements have your club made during that time?

Slightly unfair to judge them on their achievements since the 70s; they’ve only existed since 1986.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:34 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Referee was in the best position to judge the situation as he was directly behind it, he made his decision on what he saw, not on what any tv replays and pundits make of it. It may be old fashioned, however, the referee's decision is final and, from what he saw, the deicision was correct.
He may also have thought that the ball was on its upward arc and would have been nowhere near the goal. He made the decision from what he saw which is what referees do, in spite of all the various opinions of pundits, fans etc.
From what he saw he gave a free kick and cautioned the keeper for handball outside the box. According to The Laws of the Game he was 100% correct.

The keeper made a save, the very definition of denying a goal scoring opportunity! I’ll admit Dean made the right decision based on his interpretation of the situation, but that interpretation was very wrong. Do you think the keeper would have been sent off if VAR was available?

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:38 pm

martin_p wrote:The keeper made a save, the very definition of denying a goal scoring opportunity! I’ll admit Dean made the right decision based on his interpretation of the situation, but that interpretation was very wrong. Do you think the keeper would have been sent off if VAR was available?

No,not if they applied it to the letter of the law .

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:38 pm

martin_p wrote:The keeper made a save, the very definition of denying a goal scoring opportunity! I’ll admit Dean made the right decision based on his interpretation of the situation, but that interpretation was very wrong. Do you think the keeper would have been sent off if VAR was available?

Why should he have been sent off if VAR was available? Oh yes, we would have had 28 replays from every angle possible leaving all the fans who were actually paying to attend the match in doubt as to what the hell was going on.
How easy just to accept that the referee was in a position to give a decision and accept that and get on with the game.
Football is played on the pitch ---not on a television screem --unless you play these stupid computer games.

Ealing_Claret · Post by **Ealing_Claret** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:41 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:And what mighty achievements have your club made during that time?

Slightly unfair to judge them on their achievements since the 70s; they’ve only existed since 1986.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:41 pm

conyoviejo wrote:No,not if they applied it to the letter of the law .

The letter of the law being that a keeper handling the ball outside the box to deny a goal is sent off.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:43 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Why should he have been sent off if VAR was available? Oh yes, we would have had 28 replays from every angle possible leaving all the fans who were actually paying to attend the match in doubt as to what the hell was going on.
How easy just to accept that the referee was in a position to give a decision and accept that and get on with the game.
Football is played on the pitch ---not on a television screem --unless you play these stupid computer games.

If he’s made the wrong decision then it’s not easy to accept at all. That’s exactly what VAR is all about, correcting wrong decisions that have a major impact on the match. Do you think referees never make mistakes or should be beyond criticism?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:44 pm

martin_p wrote:The letter of the law being that a keeper handling the ball outside the box to deny a goal is sent off.

In the referee's opinion --he did not deny a goal --that is the salient fact!

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:46 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:In the referee's opinion --he did not deny a goal --that is the salient fact!

Yes I know, but he was wrong!

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:47 pm

martin_p wrote:Yes I know, but he was wrong!

How many years have you been refereeing martin? Just interested.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:50 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:How many years have you been refereeing martin? Just interested.

The same number of years I’ve been a professional footballer, film maker, artist, author and rock star. It doesn’t stop me having an opinion on any of them.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:53 pm

martin_p wrote:If he’s made the wrong decision then it’s not easy to accept at all. That’s exactly what VAR is all about, correcting wrong decisions that have a major impact on the match. Do you think referees never make mistakes or should be beyond criticism?

I didn't say that they don't make mistakes, however, he did not make a mistake in this particular case.
VAR will be a blight on the game because the people who will not know what is happening will be those attending the games and paying their money to do so.
They will not show things on a screen because they will be afraid of the reaction from some fans. You have to remember that we are talking football here, not rugby, cricket or tennis where fans accept the decisions of referees and umpires. Many football fans do not.

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pm

martin_p wrote:The same number of years I’ve been a professional footballer, film maker, artist, author and rock star. It doesn’t stop me having an opinion on any of them.

Very true --your opinion says that the referee was wrong, however, in his opinion, he was correct. Is he not allowed to have an opinion --just because he is a neutral referee?