Turf Moor Supporter Facilities

[UpTheBeehole]

When the then-North Stand opened, burgers were on the menu. They weren't terrible, from memory.

[claretpipe]

There must be a place for a Haffners pie on’t Turf, local business and IMO considerably tastier than a Holland’s Pie? I’m sure Bowland Brewery would be happy to provide the liquid refreshments and food the bar at Holmes Mill is spot on.

Finally is there any point of dealing with Fan Liaison, these guys just need to walk outside their own workplace to see the issues from the viewpoint of a fan, they aren’t hard to spot?

[Walton]

They have trialed it in the cricket field stand but it was hardly used.

I for one hope they keep the contactless in the CFS. Saves queuing for 10 minutes at the Polish shop to get cash.

[Claretforever]

To knock the Turf into shape and take it into the 21st century you would most likely have to spend something shy of 450million. The stadium is a complete mess,all the stands need knocking down and a complete rebuild.

Has the club stands at this present moment unless we have outside help, we are not strong enough financially to take on this challenge.

We’re not about to build a 50,000 seater stadium in London!

The cost would be a tenth of that to redevelop to our needs. And it IS within our current financial resources to be able to do it. I’m sure the club aren’t totally daft, and know that we have to redevelop on two sides, and spend some money updating on the other two.

I’d imagine time is the issue. Stay up next season and I think things will happen. I’d be disappointed if there were plans afoot even now in terms of drawings and ideas. West Brom for me is the perfect example of what we should be looking to achieve in terms of similar size to ourselves.

[Sausage]

Food would be a good place to start. I don't like pies and thats pretty much the only option. I remember the chips at Walsall, they were the best chips in the world. Garnerssoap had a theory it was because they were forced to change the cooking oil regularly with opening days being relatively infrequent comparatively to other chip selling outlets.

Black pudding. We need black pudding. Anyone who argues to the contrary clearly isn't from Burnley.

[claretpipe]

When I started this thread I deliberately avoided any talk of major re-build although that would nice and usually the cheaper option than updating and renovating. The wider issue is the esteem (or lack of it) the club holds for it’s core customers. Since Barry Kilby took a step back there seems to have been a marked reduction in any form of good will gestures from the club. The end of season celebrations were woeful for example.

I guess what I’m after is some sign that the club values the supporters and can share some of benefits of our new found wealth and provide some improvements to basic facilities. You never know perhaps the basin taps could deliver water for a couple of seconds rather than the instant shut off we now get! UTC

[dsr]

The only thing to kill Norovirus - hot soapy water. Hot is the key bit. Has to be 65 degrees Celsius.

According to this site, 2 seconds exposure to water at 65 degrees will cause burns. And that's in a healthy adult, not a child or an old person.
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[Steve1956]

I quite like our ground as it is....unwelcoming for the prawn sandwich brigade....leave it that way.

[agreenwood]

The group was initially more about trying to improve the exterior of the ground and we did get the pics on the three stands which, I have to say, have been very well received. I know supporters groups from two other clubs were impressed enough to try and do the same at their grounds.

But there is a need to resurrect that group and I'm going to discuss it with the chief exec. From there, I'd like to see an active group set up that will formulate the best plans forward for improving things both in and out of the ground. It would be good if there was a decent sized group looking at different aspects of improving things all round.

I'll certainly keep an eye on this thread and get things listed to take forward.

I wouldn’t bother. Keighley has compared 2018 standards to those of the 1960s and told us to stop moaning.

[CrosspoolClarets]

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You've hit on the catch 22 that I'm familiar with due to my work with hospitals. I suspect a slightly colder temperature will weaken the virus, and running water coupled with soap will send it down the sink. But yes, some recommend no water hotter than 50 yet new boilers must maintain water at 60 to prevent other nasties.

One thing we can all agree on though is that 5 degrees is next to useless, and that must be the hot water temperature in the JHU in winter.

As for Keighley's comment. If I recall correctly, Keighley was / is a GP? If so, I'm not sure mocking requests for basic sanitation is a clever approach.

[aggi]

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(This was a tip from my plumber who claims that the diverter valves on combi boilers wear out through use with one of the factors being them repeatedly being operated when people wash their hands. His tip was to wash your hands with cold water and the boiler will last longer.)

[KeighleyClaret]

As for Keighley's comment. If I recall correctly, Keighley was / is a GP? If so, I'm not sure mocking requests for basic sanitation is a clever approach.

You recall wrong but never mind. I don't knock requests for basic sanitation but I've not seen anything wrong with it.

[DCWat]

There must be a place for a Haffners pie on’t Turf, local business and IMO considerably tastier than a Holland’s Pie? I’m sure Bowland Brewery would be happy to provide the liquid refreshments and food the bar at Holmes Mill is spot on.

Finally is there any point of dealing with Fan Liaison, these guys just need to walk outside their own workplace to see the issues from the viewpoint of a fan, they aren’t hard to spot?

Agree about trying to use local suppliers for food and drink. Moorhouses and a decent pie would be great, alongside more variety. The tat that’s currently on offer at silly prices, is very poor.

Expectations are rising and rightly so, it’s time we at least tried to keep up.

[tim_noone]

Agree about trying to use local suppliers for food and drink. Moorhouses and a decent pie would be great, alongside more variety. The tat that’s currently on offer at silly prices, is very poor.

Expectations are rising and rightly so, it’s time we at least tried to keep up.

Been to the Olympic stadium and a hot dog at £5.50 and a Slice of pizza was all I saw on offer .. We have pies..hot dogs at £3,crisps chocolate bars tea coffee and bovril. Chips on the menu would be a bonus but that aside Burnleys food And drink bars are better than most.

[whentheballmoves]

A real ale local to the visiting team on sale inside the ground or just in the fanzone? Brighton used to do it, I think?

[MACCA]

A real ale local to the visiting team on sale inside the ground or just in the fanzone? Brighton used to do it, I think?

I'm sure 1 team went as far as offering hot pot pies or something similar, and often supplied the visiting team with their local produce.

On a side note, is there really that much profit in the catering sales to be making it such a wide range? To coin a Mr Dyche phrase, The margins are surely very fine

[Burnleyareback2]

Generally speaking the facilities in the BL are fantastic. Minimal queues clean toilets etc.

Improved wifi would be nice but nothing else to moan about...

[Leisure]

Peas. Bring back pie and peas!

[tybfc]

Bet you don't get pie and peas In Marseille. But the wine will be nice.

[Funkydrummer]

I'd like to see the return of the guys in the white coats who used to wander about the pubs and clubs
with a wicker basket flogging cockles, mussels, prawns etc.

Now that would be different, if not illegal.

[tim_noone]

I'd like to see the return of the guys in the white coats who used to wander about the pubs and clubs
with a wicker basket flogging cockles, mussels, prawns etc.

Now that would be different, if not illegal.

They used to do that at Watford with sweets etc.

[Top Claret]

We’re not about to build a 50,000 seater stadium in London!

The cost would be a tenth of that to redevelop to our needs. And it IS within our current financial resources to be able to do it. I’m sure the club aren’t totally daft, and know that we have to redevelop on two sides, and spend some money updating on the other two.

I’d imagine time is the issue. Stay up next season and I think things will happen. I’d be disappointed if there were plans afoot even now in terms of drawings and ideas. West Brom for me is the perfect example of what we should be looking to achieve in terms of similar size to ourselves.

Agree 450 million is excessive. Although to redevelop our ground to bring it up to the 21st century would take a lot more than 50 million.
All 4 sides need development. Jimmy Mac,safe standing. James Hargreaves, new roof and add another tier to increase the capacity. Cricket field new stand and Bob Lord new. Increase the capacity to 27,000.
Then the other problem is where will our new home be for 12 months? or do we do the work over 4 years?

[deanothedino]

Agree 450 million is excessive. Although to redevelop our ground to bring it up to the 21st century would take a lot more than 50 million.
All 4 sides need development. Jimmy Mac,safe standing. James Hargreaves, new roof and add another tier to increase the capacity. Cricket field new stand and Bob Lord new. Increase the capacity to 27,000.
Then the other problem is where will our new home be for 12 months? or do we do the work over 4 years?

I wouldn't recommend developing for safe standing at this stage. Would be a phenomenal waste of money if it never makes it to law.

Can't see us needing more capacity either. Will we maintain our current attendances if we don't finish 7th or higher next season? Why do the two modern stands need new roofs? As long as they're structurally sound I can't see the point in that. Just replace the (formerly) clear plastic for new. Also, can't see us adding a tier to the James Hargreaves - any capacity increase is more likely to come from a new tier on the Bob Lord.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Peas. Bring back pie and peas!

There's no bloody peas? Heresy!

Iv'e been gone too long!

[Claretforever]

Agree 450 million is excessive. Although to redevelop our ground to bring it up to the 21st century would take a lot more than 50 million.
All 4 sides need development. Jimmy Mac,safe standing. James Hargreaves, new roof and add another tier to increase the capacity. Cricket field new stand and Bob Lord new. Increase the capacity to 27,000.
Then the other problem is where will our new home be for 12 months? or do we do the work over 4 years?

We don’t “need” all of that at all. Revamp the concourses on the larger stands. Replace the seats as many are faded as plastic does after years.

We could build behind the current Bob Lord stand, then take the current roof off and join it up. The Cricket Field would need totally demolishing, but that’s 4,000 seats. If we did the Bob Lord first, adding maybe 2,000 extra seats at the back and building behind without affecting the current stand (like Liverpool did), then we’d just have to have a 19,500 capacity for a season. No need to move anywhere.

[Claretforever]

I wouldn't recommend developing for safe standing at this stage. Would be a phenomenal waste of money if it never makes it to law.

Can't see us needing more capacity either. Will we maintain our current attendances if we don't finish 7th or higher next season? Why do the two modern stands need new roofs? As long as they're structurally sound I can't see the point in that. Just replace the (formerly) clear plastic for new. Also, can't see us adding a tier to the James Hargreaves - any capacity increase is more likely to come from a new tier on the Bob Lord.

Exactly! I’d add maybe another 2-3,000 seats in as our average attendance would have been 2-3,000 higher had we had the capacity this season. The big games sold out, and the away average would increase by maybe 1,000 had we been able to offer more tickets to around half the teams.

[2 Bee Holed]

Seeing as you are looking for quick/cheap improvements CT.

Move the beer selling to the outside kiosk in the CFS.
Or, if the beer has to be inside, swop the toilets with the beer kiosk.
The crowds need moving away from the bottom of the stairs somehow!

[bf2k]

The group was initially more about trying to improve the exterior of the ground and we did get the pics on the three stands which, I have to say, have been very well received. I know supporters groups from two other clubs were impressed enough to try and do the same at their grounds.

But there is a need to resurrect that group and I'm going to discuss it with the chief exec. From there, I'd like to see an active group set up that will formulate the best plans forward for improving things both in and out of the ground. It would be good if there was a decent sized group looking at different aspects of improving things all round.

I'll certainly keep an eye on this thread and get things listed to take forward.

If a group was set up I'd be interested in joining up again. A lot of good positive discussions and ideas came out of these meetings

[deanothedino]

Exactly! I’d add maybe another 2-3,000 seats in as our average attendance would have been 2-3,000 higher had we had the capacity this season. The big games sold out, and the away average would increase by maybe 1,000 had we been able to offer more tickets to around half the teams.

Would it have though? And even if it did will it continue to be the case we can fill an extra 3,000? We all know attendance will decline over time if we aren't improving on the field.

[mikeS]

Gents Toilets in the Bob Lord. Need extending to accomodate more urinals and thrones. Two sinks and two hand driers, one located the other end of the toilets on the way out.

Ladies toilets - always a queue outside at the interval these must need extending too.

[Transpennine]

Seeing as you are looking for quick/cheap improvements CT.

Move the beer selling to the outside kiosk in the CFS.
Or, if the beer has to be inside, swop the toilets with the beer kiosk.
The crowds need moving away from the bottom of the stairs somehow!

Exactly this. Oh and increase the number of cubicles in the gents toilets, as judging by the queues at HT there simply arent enough...or is that a different matter altogether...?

[randomclaret2]

Drove past The Turf this morning and the exterior cladding on the Bob Lord where the lettering is is shabby beyond belief...thats nothing to do with " fortess Turf Moor" or making the place hostile for away teams...on the day its been confirned we'll receive £120 million from the Premier League its just downright scruffy and an eyesore.

[Leisure]

Exactly! I’d add maybe another 2-3,000 seats in as our average attendance would have been 2-3,000 higher had we had the capacity this season. The big games sold out, and the away average would increase by maybe 1,000 had we been able to offer more tickets to around half the teams.

But if we increased the capacity and as a result had to give more seats to away fans, we'd end up with a reduced number of home seats in the CFS!

[BleedingClaret]

This blooming capacity thing
Question
BRFC got 27600 on the other day wth a capacity of around 31000+
If they had a capacity of 21000+
Would they have got a gate of 27600 or just over 21000 and that would have been their EPL average too at around 20000+ Not 25000 or so
Then people would be saying they only get 20k on no need for a bigger ground.
Many an oldie tell you of first going on a big game with a big crowd that got them hooked, there may have been smaller crowds either side of the big game but the capacity allowed thousands to go on that weren’t there every week and some of their kids are today’s diehards.

[ontario claret]

I heard that they're going to have an "Old Time Days" theme for a game next year. There will be a prize for the largest thistle grown, in honour of the old bogs in the Longside.

[bfcwest]

We need more capacity absolutely. The seats that the walks ons end up with for the big games are so rubbish that I'm surprised they want to come back. We need a bigger Bob Lord so there are more 'better seats' from a positional perspective.

I brought my family of 4 to the final game, we sat in the only seats of four together and ended up not seeing much of the game. We were down low in the Long Side lower where the players tunnel comes out. Everyone was stood up, the pitch was almost eye level. My kids couldn't see too much at all. If we could get seats together more central and higher up then we'd attend more games, but these seats don't exist for walk-ons. (I work aborad alot and we live 150 miles away so season tickets are not an option before anyone tells me to buy some!)

And as for facilities, it would have been nice to have had some soft drinks available after queuing for 15 minutes at half time, but there was nothing.

[tim_noone]

Walk ons? I've seen visiting turf moor. Icelandics..Italians ...Dutch..German..Norwegians..czechs..what they must think god knows.increase the capacity.though maybe the facilities for the less abled are the start of better things to come.

[Claretforever]

But if we increased the capacity and as a result had to give more seats to away fans, we'd end up with a reduced number of home seats in the CFS!

Our current official capacity is 21,401 (I know, before anyone starts!), so we have to give 2,104 seats to away fans. We currently give 2,470 seats to away fans, or the equivalent of having a 24,700 capacity ground.

3,000 extra seats would therefore not affect the away allocation, although I’d update so as to be able to give 15% of the ground to away fans for cup games (rules) without having to compromise our own fans too much.

[Zesty]

We could improve things without spending millions anyway, take note of what some others have said about the slippery floor, general clean of the stands just re do the ends of the stands coz they’re filthy. Paint the concourses, reduce beer price and get card facilities. Improve the fanzone/buy the pub across from the ground and make it to a Burnley themed pub. Get better lighting in the concourses and around the ground.

[Claretforever]

This blooming capacity thing
Question
BRFC got 27600 on the other day wth a capacity of around 31000+
If they had a capacity of 21000+
Would they have got a gate of 27600 or just over 21000 and that would have been their EPL average too at around 20000+ Not 25000 or so
Then people would be saying they only get 20k on no need for a bigger ground.
Many an oldie tell you of first going on a big game with a big crowd that got them hooked, there may have been smaller crowds either side of the big game but the capacity allowed thousands to go on that weren’t there every week and some of their kids are today’s diehards.

We certainly don’t need a 31,000 capacity ground, just like Blackburn don’t, but 25,000 would see to our demand for big games whilst also allowing 3,000 away tickets. It also won’t look ridiculous if we have 18-20,000 on, and would allow us to soeculate more by enticing the school kids/fans of tomorrow on from further afield. Right now we don’t really have the room or the views.

[Zesty]

Also do something about the queues at half time wether that’s more people serving or expand the bar areas. To have a chance of getting a beer you have to go down around the 40th minute otherwise you’re queuing all of half time.

[tim_noone]

We could improve things without spending millions anyway, take note of what some others have said about the slippery floor, general clean of the stands just re do the ends of the stands coz they’re filthy. Paint the concourses, reduce beer price and get card facilities. Improve the fanzone/buy the pub across from the ground and make it to a Burnley themed pub. Get better lighting in the concourses and around the ground.

The turf hotel and royal dyche are Burnley themed...and I don't do cards.

[deanothedino]

Also do something about the queues at half time wether that’s more people serving or expand the bar areas. To have a chance of getting a beer you have to go down around the 40th minute otherwise you’re queuing all of half time.

Bring back iPie!