Project fear aka pure political fantasy..

[martin_p]

1. A referendum takes place on 1975. The will of the People is expressed in a remain vote (yes). Subsequently, The will of the People is ALLOWED to be enacted and the country remains in the common market. That's democracy.

Following the will of the people's being enacted, people begin campaining to leave the EU. That's democracy.

Fast forward 40 years,

2. A referendum takes place in 2016. The Will of the People is expressed in a Leave vote. Subsequently, BEFORE the Will of the People is ALLOWED to be enacted by Leaving the EU. People try and stop it. That is not democracy.

Ha! Brilliant! I have to admire the effort you put into not admitting you’re wrong. As a matter of interest, exactly what had to be enacted for us to stay in the Common market in ‘75?

[RingoMcCartney]

Its probably written by kids

The point is still valid though. You cant argue its undemocratic to publicly disagree with the 2016 vote when that vote is the direct result of 40 years of people doing exactly that about the 1975 vote. Well you can but you would be dead wrong.

But hey just shout WRONG and complain about being belittled. Meanwhile my logic torpedo has holed your argument :p

First of all you got your facts wrong.

And then "my logic torpedo has holed your argument :"

Some quality self-confirmation! At least your self aggrandizement is of higher quality than your fact finding eh?! Every cloud......

[martin_p]

First of all you got your facts wrong.

And then "my logic torpedo has holed your argument :"

Some quality self-confirmation!

He does irony well though!

[RingoMcCartney]

Ha! Brilliant! I have to admire the effort you put into not admitting you’re wrong. As a matter of interest, exactly what had to be enacted for us to stay in the Common market in ‘75?

I didn't admit I'm wrong!

You're claiming I am.!

Can you spot the difference?

Can you also spot the difference in the 2 points belo

. A referendum takes place on 1975. The will of the People is expressed in a remain vote (yes). Subsequently, The will of the People is ALLOWED to be enacted and the country remains in the common market. That's democracy.

Following the Will of the People being enacted, people begin campaining to leave the EU. That's democracy.

Fast forward 40 years, 

2. A referendum takes place in 2016. The Will of the People is expressed in a Leave vote. Subsequently, BEFORE the Will of the People is ALLOWED to be enacted by Leaving the EU. People try and stop it. That is not democracy.

The first one ACCEPTS democracy

The second DENIES and THWARTS it.

So I'm not wrong. You're just conveniently, choosing not see.

I'll leave you with this thought Marty-

No man is so blind than he who refuses to see....

Toodle pip.

[martin_p]

I didn't admit I'm wrong!

Hey guess what, that’s exactly what I said!

Care to answer my question on the complex issue of how the government enacted staying in the common market in ‘75? I’m particularly interested in how long it took and how long those who wanted to leave had to respectfully wait until they could start campaigning.

[BabylonClaret]

Leave him alone martin. I just think hes far too stupid to even understand the point anyone makes. Like I said he's a moron.

[Tall Paul]

Whoever is behind this parody account that is Ringo is a genius. I can't believe they've managed to keep it up for so long.

[Caballo]

Good grief, 6 pages of absolute drivel, there's about half a dozen posts with any merit. Rabid remainers and boorish brexiteers trading insults whilst the 90% look on in dismay, if this board is indicative of the rest of the UK no wonder we're getting nowhere.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Good grief, 6 pages of absolute drivel, there's about half a dozen posts with any merit. Rabid remainers and boorish brexiteers trading insults whilst the 90% look on in dismay, if this board is indicative of the rest of the UK no wonder we're getting nowhere.

First sensible post in 6 pages. It is a shame the experts on both sides can't see this.

[RingoMcCartney]

Leave him alone martin. I just think hes far too stupid to even understand the point anyone makes. Like I said he's a moron.

Morons believe there was 2 referendums took place when we joined the Common market!!!!

Now that really really is moronic!!!

[nil_desperandum]

That's when , firstly, nil desperandum joined in. Claiming that manifestos weren't binned but "resurrected"
.

Sorry to be pedantic, (again), but I don't like being misquoted / misinterpreted.
I didn't claim that manifestos "weren't binned but "Resurrected".
My point - as you actually know (I think) was that in many cases parties don't bin MANIFESTO POLICIES / PLEDGES after a General Election. They frequently remain idealogically bound to that policy (as did UKip throughout its existence), and then resurrect the same policy at the next election.
You've managed to keep this trivial argument going for about 5 pages now. Well done.
The basic point that you fail to acknowledge is that democracy didn't end in June 2016 with the Referendum result. It continually evolves. Some people / organistaions / political groups shift their views / positions over time, others stick by their views, but an important part of our democratic process is that decisions can be revised, modified or indeed reversed, as situations evolve.
Most "Leavers" voted for the Sovereignty of Parliament. So long as we are 18 years old or above we are all contributors to our Parliamentary democracy, and are free to hold and pursue whatever views we choose.
Our democracy isn't perfect, but it has been tried and tested over the years, and has generally proved to be more successful than most.

[BabylonClaret]

Morons believe there was 2 referendums took place when we joined the Common market!!!!

Now that really really is moronic!!!

No. Thats being mistaken. (Or wrong if you like) At least I admit it. The point I made was still valid.

If you'd called me a moron for arguing with a moron and expecting you to understand it then you'd be right.

My stance on all this thread is that its a pointless argument. (Yet here I am participating - thats moronic)

[Lancasterclaret]

You've been drawn in now Babylon.

You are lost, like the rest of us in a Ringo dystopian fantasy.

Can someone please show us how to get out?

[RingoMcCartney]

Not correct at all. Losing parties often - frequently - resurrect the same policy in their next manifesto.).

This is you arguing that manifestos aren't binned. But definately not saying they don't resurrect some of them.

As you know, but pretend not to. The point I was making was that following a general election only the winning parties manifesto is enacted in to law and legislation.

Non of the pledges contained in the losing parties are enacted into law and legislation. (It doesn't stop political opportunism, for the benefit of aggi)

The point I was making was in reply to Keighley claret who said -

"Rubbish. Democracy is about expressing an opinion. Parties which lose an election still campaign for the next opportunity. Remainers have every right to make their case and every right to campaign for the opportunity to reverse the Democratic decision made 2 years ago, 

If he MISTAKENLY wanted to justify whining on, not accepting and trying to stop, the biggest single expression of democracy the UK has witnessed, by using what happens after a general election as justification. Then he has to also consider what happens to the manifestos after a general election. The winners is acted upon. The losers are ignored. He was trying to compare a general election to a binary, once in a generation, referendum and cherry pick. He shouldn't do. Cos if he and any other Remoaner wants to, they have to acknowledge that for the next 5 years nobody takes a blind bit of notice to what the losers said.

"The political party that wins then forms the government, and bases its legislative agenda on its election manifesto"

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To be fair to you nil desperandum. You come across as one off the more intelligent, considered and far less hysterical Remoaners on here. Pedantic but a smart chap.
So I think you can see the basic point I was making. Don't compare a general election, which exists on a 5 year cycle, where it's all to play for. To a once in a generation referendum. Unless you accept all the associated consequences if you do.

[CrosspoolClarets]

But they still want to Lancaster - because any actual impact on pockets wont happen until its been a wgile after leaving. And to be fair its all speculation either way - even though the logic says that you cant have your cake and eat it we cant say for certain what will happen. Thats why you cant win this argument. Its a hearts vs minds thing.

Re read crosspool's post. Leavers* dont care about the money side - or rather they have decided it will be fine. They dont want to debate the economic issues because they voted for 'an independent britain thats great again'- whatever that is.

*Im generalising here to make the point but it seems to me that nearly every person i know who voted leave did so for societal reasons rather rhan economic

I think you are right, though there is a difference in types of leave voter. I'll make this post a long one to expand on what I said about the other issues than the CU/SM.

The entrepreneur types, like me, will have more than one eye on the economics, but are probably more risk takers by nature than most employee-type voters. I recall a party just after the vote with 40 people there, of which 35 voted to remain (I live in one of the most liberal parts of Britain). The 5 who voted to leave were the only 5 in the room who ran their own businesses, which I found interesting.

Generally though, many feel the economics will not affect them hugely, mainly because after 10 years of austerity they feel governments have the power to affect their personal situation far more than leaving the EU will. Currency and tariffs I view as immaterial, swings and roundabouts. The one exception is job losses, but as I said yesterday many leave voters have decided, sod it, they are prepared to take that risk in order to reshape Britain and that is their right, their choice.

Seeing there are a handful still wanting a sensible discussion on this thread, I'll add the below list off the top of my head. I think this is what the bulk of leave voters want, which if most are not fulfilled will cause a new leave movement that makes Vote Leave look the size of a corner shop, so I don't feel it can be an option. There is a long list, some are economic but not CU/SM - how much have the media and MPs spent talking about it?

1. Free trade deals and renewed relationship with the affluent commonwealth countries (they are ambivolent to the poorer ones but still value them). Imagine free movement with Aus, Canada and NZ? Free movement where we have many going out, not just receiving people. It will be hugely popular and could be possible if we offer these countries free trade deals. At the moment there are huge restrictions for most ordinary people to emigrate.

2. The right to have a less socially democratic society (many see the EU leaning on Poland and Hungary as undemocratic and wrong, even if they wouldn't choose to have such a government themselves). Less libertarian and more authoritarian / conservative would be another way of putting it.

3. Less regulation on things like home improvements, home appliances, cars, lightbulbs etc. Some are costly (building regulations), some are unpleasant (lightbulbs).

4. Less EU migration so that it is limited to a point where it doesn't change the culture of the country (e.g. I have run a sports club for 20 years, the demographics have shifted massively, now it is full of decent people from 10 countries but everyone has less in common, conversation tends to be less about people's lives, jokes are often misunderstood, we don't have a pub culture afterwards nor get together socially, and it generally isn't as enjoyable, but as I said, everyone is decent, but that isn't the issue).

5. Control of our fisheries and farming (2 areas I think there is huge passionate feeling even if people aren't actively involved in them)

6. Queueing for ages to get back in our own country alongside EU citizens - many feel UK citizens should not be treated in this way after a holiday or work trip, and would accept longer queues to get into the EU in return because again, that would be fair.

7. Control of our laws - the European Working Time Directive being an obvious one that can upset people

8. State subsidy to poorer regions (e.g. zero corporation tax in the northeast). This type of Corbynomics (which I would support) is not allowed in the EU.

9. Tariffs and quotas to suit our own industries, not based on EU decisions that favour the country and company that lobbies them the most.

10. Less globalisation and more regional decision making (like Preston, who are, probably illegally under EU law, allowing small local companies to be prioritised in public sector tenders, another form of Corbynomics I would support).

11. Stop giving our money to the eastern european states to help them integrate into the EU, to get their public to admire the EU, not Putin (this is in effect what the EU are doing with our excess contribution, but many here feel charity begins closer to home)

Just a random list designed to demonstrate how maintaining customs links isn't the biggest issue in most people's minds, despite "fifth columnist" Theresa May focusing relentlessly on it. Nobody, nobody, can say the UK will be a worse place if we have that lot, we can debate but not conclude.

Right, back to my expensive home improvements (thanks, EU ).

[If it be your will]

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[martin_p]

I repeat

He can’t understand the simple logic of ‘ending the public sector pay cap is a Lib Dem manifesto promise’ and ‘the Tories enacted the ending of the public sector pay cap’ means ‘ the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promise’.

[Lancasterclaret]

I feel like the kid in "The Sixth Sense", in that I see Ringo everywhere

[RingoMcCartney]

You just don't answer him, I think. Come on everyone, let's try an experiment and see what happens for a laugh. Whenever Ringo says anything, no matter how personally annoying you consider it to be, just let it go and totally forget about it. Just talk around him or something.

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[UpTheBeehole]

1. Free trade deals and renewed relationship with the affluent commonwealth countries (they are ambivolent to the poorer ones but still value them). Imagine free movement with Aus, Canada and NZ? Free movement where we have many going out, not just receiving people. It will be hugely popular and could be possible if we offer these countries free trade deals. At the moment there are huge restrictions for most ordinary people to emigrate.

2. The right to have a less socially democratic society (many see the EU leaning on Poland and Hungary as undemocratic and wrong, even if they wouldn't choose to have such a government themselves). Less libertarian and more authoritarian / conservative would be another way of putting it.

3. Less regulation on things like home improvements, home appliances, cars, lightbulbs etc. Some are costly (building regulations), some are unpleasant (lightbulbs).

4. Less EU migration so that it is limited to a point where it doesn't change the culture of the country (e.g. I have run a sports club for 20 years, the demographics have shifted massively, now it is full of decent people from 10 countries but everyone has less in common, conversation tends to be less about people's lives, jokes are often misunderstood, we don't have a pub culture afterwards nor get together socially, and it generally isn't as enjoyable, but as I said, everyone is decent, but that isn't the issue).

5. Control of our fisheries and farming (2 areas I think there is huge passionate feeling even if people aren't actively involved in them)

6. Queueing for ages to get back in our own country alongside EU citizens - many feel UK citizens should not be treated in this way after a holiday or work trip, and would accept longer queues to get into the EU in return because again, that would be fair.

7. Control of our laws - the European Working Time Directive being an obvious one that can upset people

8. State subsidy to poorer regions (e.g. zero corporation tax in the northeast). This type of Corbynomics (which I would support) is not allowed in the EU.

9. Tariffs and quotas to suit our own industries, not based on EU decisions that favour the country and company that lobbies them the most.

10. Less globalisation and more regional decision making (like Preston, who are, probably illegally under EU law, allowing small local companies to be prioritised in public sector tenders, another form of Corbynomics I would support).

11. Stop giving our money to the eastern european states to help them integrate into the EU, to get their public to admire the EU, not Putin (this is in effect what the EU are doing with our excess contribution, but many here feel charity begins closer to home)

Just a random list designed to demonstrate how maintaining customs links isn't the biggest issue in most people's minds, despite "fifth columnist" Theresa May focusing relentlessly on it. Nobody, nobody, can say the UK will be a worse place if we have that lot, we can debate but not conclude.

Right, back to my expensive home improvements (thanks, EU ).

1) Australia and Canada are countries made up of immigrants from all over the world.
2) So you want a more authoritarian society, but ....
3) ...don't want this authoritarian nature to stop companies from throwing up unsafe houses, deathtrap cars or earthscorching lightbulbs.
4) no one gives a toss about who goes to your golf club.
5) fishing is a tiny industry in the UK, and we import the fish we eat. Make them get proper jobs instead of pratting about at sea catching naff all.
6) those people queueing to get into the UK on the flight into the UK, are predominantly UK citizens. Have a UK citizen only queue then, but it will only be made up of the exact same people as the current queues.
7) working time directives stop the unscrupulous rich from thrashing the working poor to an early grave. What else do you want, kids going up chimneys?
8) And how will zero corporation tax help the overall tax take?
9) What industries are these?
10) Another increase in costs
11) How much UK money goes specifically to eastern european countries to get their people to admire the EU?

[RingoMcCartney]

I repeat

He can’t understand the simple logic of ‘ending the public sector pay cap is a Lib Dem manifesto promise’ and ‘the Tories enacted the ending of the public sector pay cap’ means ‘ the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promise’.

"the Tories enacted the ending of the public sector pay cap’ means ‘ the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promis"


"The political party that wins then forms the government, and bases its legislative agenda on IT'S election manifesto"

You are trying to claim something entirely different (political opportunism on behalf of the tory government) was effectively what would be a breach of parliamentary convention.

Political opportunism- Political opportunism refers to the attempt to maintain political support, or increase political influence, in a way which disregards relevant ethical or political principles. 

That's what the Tories did by nicking the LibDems ideas. It wasn't Vince cable as the losing party leader enacting a manifesto pledge.


Over the weekend try and compare and contrast 2 entirely different things.

A breach of parliamentary convention

Poilital opportunism.

Get back to me some time on the future. Use the Delorean if you like Marty!

[martin_p]

"the Tories enacted the ending of the public sector pay cap’ means ‘ the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promis"


"The political party that wins then forms the government, and bases its legislative agenda on IT'S election manifesto"

You are trying to claim something entirely different (political opportunism on behalf of the tory government) was effectively what would be a breach of parliamentary convention.

Political opportunism- Political opportunism refers to the attempt to maintain political support, or increase political influence, in a way which disregards relevant ethical or political principles. 

That's what the Tories did by nicking the LibDems ideas. It wasn't Vince cable as the losing party leader enacting a manifesto pledge.


Over the weekend try and compare and contrast 2 entirely different things.

A breach of parliamentary convention

Poilital opportunism.

Get back to me some time on the future. Use the Delorean if you like Marty!

Pig sh1t has nothing on you in the thickness arena! May I suggest some adult education classes around comprehension.

And when you’re ready to list those Tory manifesto promises that they’ve ‘enacted’ that several people have asked you for I’d be very interested to see it.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I feel like the kid in "The Sixth Sense", in that I see Ringo everywhere

He’s the best thing to happen to this message board. Absolute quality. (Apart from when he goes on his rants that get him banned)

In your best game show voice “Leeeets play Ringo Dingo”

[RingoMcCartney]

Pig sh1t has nothing on you in the thickness arena! May I suggest some adult education classes around comprehension.

And when you’re ready to list those story manifesto promises that they’ve ‘enacted’ that several people have asked you for I’d be very interested to see it.

A breach of parliamentary convention

Poilital opportunism.

Research the difference.

[RingoMcCartney]

He’s the best thing to happen to this message board. Absolute quality. (Apart from when he goes on his rants that get him banned)

In your best game show voice “Leeeets play Ringo Dingo”

Snipe snipe.......

[Bordeauxclaret]

Snipe snipe.......

Love you.

[martin_p]

A breach of parliamentary convention

Poilital opportunism.

Research the difference.

Hey guess what, no one except you is talking about the first. The Tories took a manifesto promise from the Lib Dem manifesto and enacted it. Call it political opportunism, but the fact is the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promise. Who knows, perhaps in the Tory celebrations that another five years in power had only cost a £1 million pound bribe to the DUP they accidentally picked up the Lib Dem manifesto and started using that. It would explain why they don’t seem to have made much progress with their own.

Now then, that list you were asked for.

[RingoMcCartney]

Hey guess what, no one except you is talking about the first. The Tories took a manifesto promise from the Lib Dem manifesto and enacted it. Call it political opportunism, but the fact is the Tories enacted a Lib Dem manifesto promise. Who knows, perhaps in the Tory celebrations that another five years in power had only cost a £1 million pound bribe to the DUP they accidentally picked up the Lib Dem manifesto and started using that. It would explain why they don’t seem to have made much progress with their own.

Now then, that list you were asked for.

The list, as you know, will be very brief! They're struggling to get anything through. But As the winning party only their manifesto will be enacted into law and legislation. The liberal democrats manifesto is history. The fact that the Tories have nicked their idea is not Vince cable as the losing party leader being allowed to enact his manifesto. That would be a clear breach of parliamentary convention. The constitutional legality of which would be challenged.

But why only focus on how much the current government is enacting of its manifesto pledge. Why not look at just how much Bliars landslide government enacted. Lots. But more importantly how much of the tories was Marty? - none! How much of Neil Kinnocks Labour party manifesto was enacted following his defeat? None Marty. That would be a breach of parliamentary convention.

I'm trying to help you here. You're mixing up 2 entirely different things to try and win an argument that I'm increasingly getting bored of.

Stop losing. Begin researching.

A breach of parliamentary convention

Poilital opportunism.


While you're at it, try and get that much promised evidence that leaving the EU and ending free movement of people, would NOT help to stop modern day slavery, people trafficking and exploitation.

Busy weekend ahead, for you if youre really going to work out the difference AND get the evidence you boasted of. Give yourself a break and try and catch the last half hour of the cup final!

See you in the future, my, Delorean driving, Remoaner troll friend.

[martin_p]

Please paste my previous response here.

[RingoMcCartney]

Whoever is behind this parody account that is Ringo is a genius. I can't believe they've managed to keep it up for so long.

Here's Tender Paul!! Straight out of Strangeways for non payment of his tv licence. He's was of those who's misplaced belief that you would wind up in clink if you refused to pay your tv licence!

As the judge said "take him down", he was heard saying,

"But if I couldn't afford to pay my tv licence, how do you expect me to pay the £1000 fine, my Lord!?

I say "Tender Paul", during his 28 days in Strangeways he gradually got to be know as "more accommodating Paul"

On completion of his 28 day "stretch" his name as been updated yet again. Anyway welcome back to the fun n games "Slack Paul!"

[martin_p]

misplaced belief that you would wind up in clink if you refused to pay your tv licence!

Good that you’ve finally accepted that that belief is misplaced.

[nil_desperandum]

To be fair to you nil desperandum. You come across as one off the more intelligent, considered and far less hysterical Remoaners on here. Pedantic but a smart chap .

Well that's made my day Ringo old chap. As you know I'm a big follower of you, and to receive such an accolade is music to my ears.
Just take care avoid the homophobic stuff - we all missed you.

[RingoMcCartney]

Well that's made my day Ringo old chap. As you know I'm a big follower of you, and to receive such an accolade is music to my ears.
Just take care avoid the homophobic stuff - we all missed you.

Have a great weekend and I genuinely hope the sun's shining, like it is here, on you and yours wherever you may be nil desperandum.

[RingoMcCartney]

5) fishing is a tiny industry in the UK, and we import the fish we eat. Make them get proper jobs instead of pratting about at sea catching naff all.

Being a fisherman is an honourable and noble way for a man to make a living. A living, that can at times, mean he risks his life, in order to put food on the plate of the People. Even people as unsophisticated as you.

So congratulations on the making easily the most ignorant post on this entire thread.

[UpTheBeehole]

No chap, you are sole exclusive rights-holder to ignorant posts on this thread.

[RingoMcCartney]

5) fishing is a tiny industry in the UK, and we import the fish we eat. Make them get proper jobs instead of pratting about at sea catching naff all.

Next time your mum takes you and your big brother to McDonald's and you get your fillet of fish. It got there by some bloke who can't get a "proper job and pratting about at sea"

Enjoy your meal and experience at McDonald's. Cos in a few years time, given your attitude and lack of intellect. You'll be on the other side of the counter, on the preparation side of things (They wouldn't risk a customer facing role). If you're lucky.

And before you accuse me of sneering at McDonald's workers. I'm not. There can be a really rewarding career pursuing a path in retail. But let's be honest. When you get older, you, burgers, the grill and the flipper are gonna be seeing one hell of a lot of each other aren't you.!

[martin_p]

Next time your mum takes you and your big brother to McDonald's and you get your fillet of fish. It got there by some bloke who can't get a "proper job and pratting about at sea"

Enjoy your meal and experience at McDonald's. Cos in a few years time, given your attitude and lack of intellect. You'll be on the other side of the counter, on the preparation side of things (They wouldn't risk a customer facing role). If you're lucky.

And before you accuse me of sneering at McDonald's workers. I'm not. There can be a really rewarding career pursuing a path in retail. But let's be honest. You, burgers, the grill and the flipper are gonna be seeing one hell of a lot of each other aren't you.!

But you did sneer at McDonalds workers.

'Enjoy your meal and experience at McDonald's. Cos in a few years time, given your attitude and lack of intellect. You'll be on the other side of the counter, on the preparation side of things'

You're characterising McDonalds workers have having a bad attitude and lack of intellect.

Mines a Big Mac Meal Ringo.

[quoonbeatz]

the fish in Filet-o-Fish, to use the correct terminology and give it the respect it deserves, is hoki which is found in the pacific.

[RingoMcCartney]

But you did sneer at McDonalds workers.

'Enjoy your meal and experience at McDonald's. Cos in a few years time, given YOUR, attitude and lack of intellect. You'll be on the other side of the counter, on the preparation side of things'

You're characterising McDonalds workers have having a bas attitude and lack of intellect.

Mines a Big Mac Meal Ringo.

The clue was in "YOUR attitude and lack of intellect"....

Nice try....well, I say nice.......a try......

Yours is definately not a big Mac meal Marty. Yours is an inability to see the difference between a breach of parliamentary convention and political opportunism


Anyway research and evidence finding for you this weekend Marty. Get to your room.

[martin_p]

The clue was in "YOUR attitude and lack of intellect"....

Nice try....well, I say nice.......a try......

Anyway research and evidence finding for you this weekend Marty. Get to your room.

So why does having a bad attitude and lack of intellect qualify him to work behind the counter at McDonalds then?

[UpTheBeehole]

I'm confident my experience and standing in my chosen industry mean I'll forever be the one making the order, not taking the order.

You're self employed aren't you. How's your little cottage industry going? Work must be quiet, with the amount of time you spend on here.

[RingoMcCartney]

the fish in Filet-o-Fish, to use the correct terminology and give it the respect it deserves, is hoki which is found in the pacific.

Hoki may well be found in the Pacific. But your intervention will be filed in the

"Posts that tried too hard to be both funny and informative while attempting a put down. But failed miserably" drawer.

[UpTheBeehole]

Quoonbeatz's post has shown you up to be incorrect though, hasn't it.

Same old Ringo, always wrong.

[martin_p]

Quoonbeatz's post has shown you up to be incorrect though, hasn't it.

Same old Ringo, always wrong.

Yeah, but wait until we leave the restrictive EU. We''ll be sending our honourable fishermen to the Pacific to catch the Hoki!

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm confident my experience and standing in my chosen industry mean I'll forever be the one making the order, not taking the order.

You're self employed aren't you. How's your little cottage industry going? Work must be quiet, with the amount of time you spend on here.

You'll certainly experience a lot of standing at the burger grill!!

And given your attitude most if the orders you'll be taking are the ones that end in "off"!!!!

[quoonbeatz]

Hoki may well be found in the Pacific. But your intervention will be filed in the

"Posts that tried too hard to be both funny and informative while attempting a put down. But failed miserably" drawer.

i am here merely to educate. its all very easy for me.

[RingoMcCartney]

Quoonbeatz's post has shown you up to be incorrect though, hasn't it.

Same old Ringo, always wrong.

Same old Marty.

A, bereft of humour, troll.

[martin_p]

So come on Ringo, why is lack of intellect and bad attitude suitable qualifications to work at McDonalds. Why are you using working at McDonalds as a put down? Is the job beneath you? Are you happy to defend the fishermen but insult McDonalds staff? Seems like double standards to me.

[martin_p]

Same old Marty.

A, bereft of humour, troll.

Wrong again!!!

[RingoMcCartney]

i am here merely to educate. its all very easy for me.

Marty ! Uphisownhole! Come down from your rooms now! Quoonbeatz has come to see you!