Tommy Robinson

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:32 pm

morpheus2 wrote:If I and a few of my friends were in a room staring at you close up for an hour or two, decided to wait outside the room / building for you to come out, observe which vehicle you are in, follow the vehicle, get some pics of you, find out which hotel you are in, have friends at the hotel etc etc etc etc.....I'm sure it could be done with a bit of effort.
I'm sure this sort of thing must have been done before, or am I a pioneer of this kind of operation, I might sell my ideas to special forces....or special needs like you.

Almost all of that would be illegal. If people want to go and commit those kind of crimes then there's little to stop them except the law, but why should their criminality force our courts into adopting secret trials? And how would such secret trials be even remotely just?

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:35 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Considering it's been reported that one lovely chap fire bombed the house of one of his victims, killing her as a result, you'd think they'd have this case held with no members of the public in the gallery.

That could have been the case....I am just putting it forward that Tommy Robinson spoke to people who claimed to be supporters of the accused arriving at the court for the expected verdict.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Almost all of that would be illegal. If people want to go and commit those kind of crimes then there's little to stop them except the law, but why should their criminality force our courts into adopting secret trials? And how would such secret trials be even remotely just?

Well I wouldn't expect them to be going down the legal route to witness intimidation would you, special one?

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:41 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No one's denying that some don't. But that's not what he was saying. He was saying that people of different races can't co-exist in the same country.

Remember, this is what he said "All this living amongst each other different races, religions etc doesnt work as much as people want it too it just doesnt."
Poor punctuation accounted for, that's a pretty clear statement that he believes people of different races living together doesn't work. I consider that to be pretty racist.

Why are you ignoring my last question and post?
Can you not think of an answer to suit your agenda?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:44 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Well I wouldn't expect them to be going down the legal route to witness intimidation would you, special one?

So... they should go to prison. Right? If they commit crimes? Like Robinson? lol. The court has set reasonable restrictions in place to make juror tampering harder in this particular case, perhaps as a result of a victims' house being firebombed (i don't know if that's related yet). The laws about video and photos being taken are intended to make it harder to tamper with a case. They're not designed to make it impossible. If someone is really commited to jury tampering then they can do it, just like any of us could assassinate anyone else if we were truly commited and dedicated to it, but it's still pretty difficult to do because of mostly reasonable laws we have.

Robinson went and knowingly broke a law. He did this while having the dagger of a suspended sentence over him. He deserves his prison time just for being an idiot, but he especially deserves it for trying to **** with our justice system and make it harder to send guilty people to prison, and keep innocent people out.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:46 pm

This is funny...

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:46 pm

bumba wrote:Ok lets put it this way if you was moving house i can certainly gaurentee stoneyholme and daneshouse wouldnt be your choce of your new home....does that also make you racist?

I said only a minority mix which is true. Exactly the same when brits move to Spain they generally live amongst each other.

Nothing racist in what I've said but its proved you will twist words to cause debate an suit your agenda for anybody who didn't already know what you do.

This one? The one where you went all revisionist and tried to imply that some people not living in the same areas of town as other people is what you were saying?

Yeah. I can't imagine why i ignored your post trying to backtrack on the dumb **** you said earlier.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Was that chap someone from the public gallery? And can you provide a source for that claim?

Different case but you'll no doubt seize that as some sort of bizarre reason to dismiss what I'm saying, so I won't be surprised if you do.

Azhar Ali Mehmood fire bombed the house of one of his victims and she died as a result.
Their child didn't, she's been talking about it all in the last few months when the Telford scandal erupted.

Google is your friend for this story, but it shows the potential dangers any juror could be in for a child abuse case.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:50 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Different case but you'll no doubt seize that as some sort of bizarre reason to dismiss what I'm saying, so I won't be surprised if you do.

Azhar Ali Mehmood fire bombed the house of one of his victims and she died as a result.
Their child didn't, she's been talking about it all in the last few months when the Telford scandal erupted.

Google is your friend for this story, but it shows the potential dangers any juror could be in for a child abuse case.

Why would i seize it to dismiss what you're saying? It's a pretty good example of why it's sometimes a bad idea to publicise the identities of jurors in certain cases, which is what Robinson's actions threatened to do.

Why are you arguing with me if you agree with me?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:52 pm

What about Tommy Dickfingers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYX3u5W7kk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:55 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This one? The one where you went all revisionist and tried to imply that some people not living in the same areas of town as other people is what you were saying?

Yeah. I can't imagine why i ignored your post trying to backtrack on the dumb **** you said earlier.

So would ypu live in those areas or are you a racist?

Sounds like your back tracking and avoiding answering because you know you'll look a tool.

I've no need to change what i said you took one word an changed it to try call me a racist but you was wrong, you should apologise really.

Everybody else knew what i was saying except you.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 9:59 pm

bumba wrote:So would ypu live in those areas or are you a racist?

Sounds like your back tracking and avoiding answering because you know you'll look a tool.

I've no need to change what i said you took one word an changed it to try call me a racist but you was wrong, you should apologise really.

Everybody else knew what i was saying except you.

You're talking to someone who has lived in those areas. Twice. You daft ****. The race of the people who live there has nothing to do with why my next house probably won't be there.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're talking to someone who has lived in those areas. Twice. You daft ****. The race of the people who live there has nothing to do with why my next house probably won't be there.

So your moving away from that area your such a racist!

B*****ks you've ever lived there

cold claret · Post by **cold claret** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This one? The one where you went all revisionist and tried to imply that some people not living in the same areas of town as other people is what you were saying?

Yeah. I can't imagine why i ignored your post trying to backtrack on the dumb **** you said earlier.

Question for you Imploding Turtle.Why did the BNP get 3 councillors elected in the Local Burnley elections in 2003.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:13 pm

morpheus2 wrote:When the left leaning cultural Marxists on here realise a debate is not really going to plan and their frothing accusations of racism are no longer having the intended impact, the next move out of the manual is to wage a campaign of personal insults and petty semantics in the hope that their opponents will respond in a similar manner and the thread will be closed, ergo ending discussion....that is the way this thread will have to go now as they have contributed nothing beyond accusations of racism so far, absolutely nothing of substance.

Not long now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:18 pm

cold claret wrote:Question for you Imploding Turtle.Why did the BNP get 3 councillors elected in the Local Burnley elections in 2003.

Because racists voted for them. How many do they have now?

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So... they should go to prison. Right? If they commit crimes? Like Robinson? lol. The court has set reasonable restrictions in place to make juror tampering harder in this particular case, perhaps as a result of a victims' house being firebombed (i don't know if that's related yet). The laws about video and photos being taken are intended to make it harder to tamper with a case. They're not designed to make it impossible. If someone is really commited to jury tampering then they can do it, just like any of us could assassinate anyone else if we were truly commited and dedicated to it, but it's still pretty difficult to do because of mostly reasonable laws we have.

Robinson went and knowingly broke a law. He did this while having the dagger of a suspended sentence over him. He deserves his prison time just for being an idiot, but he especially deserves it for trying to **** with our justice system and make it harder to send guilty people to prison, and keep innocent people out.

Yes.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:21 pm

bumba wrote:So your moving away from that area your such a racist!

B*****ks you've ever lived there

I think you've exposed your own close mind right here. Asking a question to which you were never going to accept the answer to if it didn't fit your narrative.

I lived there from 2001-2002 and from 2008 to 2012. Not that i owe you any kind of explanation.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why would i seize it to dismiss what you're saying? It's a pretty good example of why it's sometimes a bad idea to publicise the identities of jurors in certain cases, which is what Robinson's actions threatened to do.

Why are you arguing with me if you agree with me?

Now I thought Robinson's intent was to expose the accused?

Wouldn't the Jurors enter at a different time and entrance to avoid seeing the accused and their associates directly prior to the case?
Having never done jury time I couldn't tell you but there are people on this board who have and could confirm either way.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think you've exposed your own close mind right here. Asking a question to which you were never going to accept the answer to if it didn't fit your narrative.

I lived there from 2001-2002 and from 2008 to 2012. Not that i owe you any kind of explanation.

White flight

Textbook racism.

deanothedino · Post by **deanothedino** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:31 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Only unfortunate if you're not interested in hearing it.

Both sides commit this atrocious act but how they go about it is generally different.

Outside of the church, non Muslims tended to be on their own doing it, prior to the arrival of the internet.
Now they use the internet to share what they do over the darkweb.

Muslims tend to do it in groups, usually family and friends and from what I've read they don't tend to share it on the darkweb.

If those differences are uncomfortable for you to digest then that isn't my issue, it's yours.

Both sides have been allowed to getaway with it for decades due to those in a position to stop it being more interested in their own well being/jobs then they are in the well-being of the kids.
Now that isn't just down to a lack of funding or man power, it's a lack of desire or interest in stopping it and instead sweeping it under the carpet.

The differences aren’t uncomfortable (though if you don’t find the topic uncomfortable I’d suggest the issue is with you), I just don’t understand why you think the differences are relevant. Both are atrocious, religion and race has nothing to do with that. If you can’t see that your posts on a thread about a well known racist make it look like you’re saying otherwise then you’re a lost cause.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:34 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I lived there from 2001-2002 and from 2008 to 2012. Not that i owe you any kind of explanation.

Hope you don't mind me asking but did you live with a female partner during those years?

cold claret · Post by **cold claret** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because racists voted for them. How many do they have now?

Not Racists.People just had enough of the way Daneshouse and Stoneyholme got lots money spent to improve the Areas.While other areas of Burnley got hardly nothing.Also very few Asians were sent to jail for rioting on Colne Road.Even thou the Police were watching them set cars on fire and petrol bomb the Duke of York pub.Where as over 50 white rioters got large jail sentences for the disturbances under the culvert and Burnleywood

This is why the BNP got votes. Burnley folk are not Racist as you wrongly said

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:47 pm

cold claret wrote:Not Racists.People just had enough of the way Daneshouse and Stoneyholme got lots money spent to improve the Areas.While other areas of Burnley got hardly nothing.Also very few Asians were sent to jail for rioting on Colne Road.Even thou the Police were watching them set cars on fire and petrol bomb the Duke of York pub.Where as over 50 white rioters got large jail sentences for the disturbances under the culvert and Burnleywood

This is why the BNP got votes. Burnley folk are not Racist as you wrongly said

"Burnley folk are not Racist as you wrongly said"

I said what?

cold claret · Post by **cold claret** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:49 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because racists voted for them. How many do they have now?

This is what you said.Have you forgot..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:51 pm

Dazzler wrote:Hope you don't mind me asking but did you live with a female partner during those years?

I do mind you asking. Perhaps you could encourage me to answer by demonstrating relevence.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:51 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because racists voted for them.

You're an idiot.

And an idiot with a worryingly short memory.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:51 pm

cold claret wrote:This is what you said.Have you forgot..

Apparently i have. Care to remind me with a quote?

cold claret · Post by **cold claret** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because racists voted for them. How many do they have now?

Here is the QUOTE again Imploding Turtle.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:58 pm

deanothedino wrote:The differences aren’t uncomfortable (though if you don’t find the topic uncomfortable I’d suggest the issue is with you), I just don’t understand why you think the differences are relevant. Both are atrocious, religion and race has nothing to do with that. If you can’t see that your posts on a thread about a well known racist make it look like you’re saying otherwise then you’re a lost cause.

Religion does have something to do with it, on both sides to differing degrees, race also due to some cultural aspects.

Religion - church covered up child abuse for decades, Muslims don't see abusing white girls as an issue because they're not Muslim.

Race - I'll refer you to men from places like Pakistan and Afghanistan abusing predominantly white girls in the UK.

FGM is a cultural /racial thing because as far as I'm aware it's not practiced by white Europeans is it?
I could be wrong though so if I am I'll hold my hands up.

Forced/arranged marriages - we generally don't do that stuff , as in arranged marriages, but also we don't encourage marriage between an adult and a child, apart from maybe places in the US, but they're odd over there and even they don't allow children under a certain age to get married.

Where have I said the topic isn't uncomfortable for me?
It's an uncomfortable topic to discuss but that's usually because it gets shouted down by people who're far to willing to pull the trigger on the racist button.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:58 pm

cold claret wrote:Here is the QUOTE again Imploding Turtle.

I think if you're going to live here you should learn to speak the language.

Saying that racists in Burnley voted for the BNP 15 years ago is not the same as saying Burnley folk are racist. And if you think it is then you need to go back to school because whatever previous education you've had has failed you.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:58 pm

cold claret wrote:Not Racists.People just had enough of the way Daneshouse and Stoneyholme got lots money spent to improve the Areas.While other areas of Burnley got hardly nothing.Also very few Asians were sent to jail for rioting on Colne Road.Even thou the Police were watching them set cars on fire and petrol bomb the Duke of York pub.Where as over 50 white rioters got large jail sentences for the disturbances under the culvert and Burnleywood

This is why the BNP got votes. Burnley folk are not Racist as you wrongly said

Bang on.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon May 28, 2018 10:59 pm

cold claret wrote:Not Racists.People just had enough of the way Daneshouse and Stoneyholme got lots money spent to improve the Areas.While other areas of Burnley got hardly nothing.Also very few Asians were sent to jail for rioting on Colne Road.Even thou the Police were watching them set cars on fire and petrol bomb the Duke of York pub.Where as over 50 white rioters got large jail sentences for the disturbances under the culvert and Burnleywood

This is why the BNP got votes. Burnley folk are not Racist as you wrongly said

Harle Syke wasn't very welcoming to Asian families moving into the area, I think a brick through the window was the preferred method of welcoming them.
Same with Rosehill.

cold claret · Post by **cold claret** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Shut up you tit .Is that plain enough English for you.I got a St Teds Education which was the best school in Burnley. This is for you Imploding Turtle

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Apparently i have. Care to remind me with a quote?

Put the spade down you clown.

That hole is just getting deeper and deeper with every idiotic post you make!

You've been on here all bank holiday weekend. We've had clear blue skies and temperatures of around 20 odd degrees. And you've sat deep in the bowels of The Turtle Bunker getting all revved up and frothing at the mouth, lashing out at anybody who has a different opinion to you!

And now you're meeting your self coming backwards in a futile attempt at wriggling out of being caught bang to rights for denying you said summat that you clearly did!

You're an idiot. And idiot with a shockingly, almost conveniently, bad memory. But an idiot with a bad memory lacking vitamin D!

Leave the Bunker. For you're own mental well being and self respect.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I think if you're going to live here you should learn to speak the language.

Saying that racists in Burnley voted for the BNP 15 years ago is not the same as saying Burnley folk are racist. And if you think it is then you need to go back to school because whatever previous education you've had has failed you.

Wriggle wriggle wriggle wriggle wriggle yeah!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:10 pm

cold claret wrote:Shut up you tit .Is that plain enough English for you.I got a St Teds Education which was the best school in Burnley. This is for you Imploding Turtle

"best school in Burnley" is a bit like saying "i have the best form of herpes"

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I do mind you asking. Perhaps you could encourage me to answer by demonstrating relevence.

I understand your reluctance but it is purely a harmless question.

I think you may well know the relevance of the question of which I will not go into.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"best school in Burnley" is a bit like saying "i have the best form of herpes"

You've admitted you don't go on the turf.

And just like you're alter ego, uphisownhole, who described Burnley women as "scrubbers", lads who go in the JMU with their grandchildren as "paedos". You're now actually sneering at Burnley, the town.

Why do you exist?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:21 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Put the spade down you clown.

That hole is just getting deeper and deeper with every idiotic post you make!

You've been on here all bank holiday weekend. We've had clear blue skies and temperatures of around 20 odd degrees. And you've sat deep in the bowels of The Turtle Bunker getting all revved up and frothing at the mouth, lashing out at anybody who has a different opinion to you!

And now you're meeting your self coming backwards in a futile attempt at wriggling out of being caught bang to rights for denying you said summat that you clearly did!

You're an idiot. And idiot with a shockingly, almost conveniently, bad memory. But an idiot with a bad memory lacking vitamin D!

Leave the Bunker. For you're own mental well being and self respect.

I love this type of Ringoposting

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're talking to someone who has lived in those areas. Twice.

Now it all makes sense........

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:25 pm

Dazzler wrote:I understand your reluctance but it is purely a harmless question.

I think you may well know the relevance of the question of which I will not go into.

Why won't you?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why won't you?

I shouldn't have to,It is a completely harmless question.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:30 pm

This is totes hilare

Just gone through all 6 pages for the first time

I.T having a ‘live meltdown’.

Jesus. Get well soon..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Dazzler wrote:I shouldn't have to,It is a completely harmless question.

If you're unwilling to explain why you're asking then why should I answer? You're asking me quite a personal question. A specific one too. Female, not male. Before i answer I want to know why you're asking.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If you're unwilling to explain why you're asking then why should I answer? You're asking me quite a personal question. A specific one too. Female, not male. Before i answer I want to know why you're asking.

A personal question ?

Folk get asked the question all the time "are you married" ?
And answer yes or no without hesitation or suspicious thoughts.

What is wrong with you ?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:47 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I love this type of Ringoposting

It's understandable. You're only human pal!

Where as, our, calcium deficient, zero in a half shell chum. Were he ever to emerge from his subterranean fortress. Won't take the, well intentioned, advice of, stop having your self for a fat lad!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:50 pm

Dazzler wrote:A personal question ?

Folk get asked the question all the time "are you married" ?
And answer yes or no without hesitation or suspicious thoughts.

What is wrong with you ?

Whether or not you think i should have been suspicious when you asked, i think i'm quite right to be suspicious now that you're so reluctant to explain why you're asking.

I'm suspicious of anyone on here who asks me personal questions, of any kind. I usually don't respond, or when i do it's to ask them why their question is relevent. And if they show relevence then i'll answer.

All i want from you is for you to tell me why you think your question is relevent. If i agree with you then i'll answer. Are you going to explain, or not?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon May 28, 2018 11:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Are you going to explain, or not?

No,there's no need to explain,you know why I asked,that is why you refuse to answer.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 29, 2018 12:06 am

Dazzler wrote:No,there's no need to explain,you know why I asked,that is why you refuse to answer.

Lol. I think i know why you're asking, yes.

But it's kinda funny because you're so ashamed/embarrassed by your reason for asking that you're this reluctant to share it.

I've no problem answering it, provided you can show me how the question is relevant. Do that and I'll answer. Otherwise, in future, don't ask people personal questions that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.