Jay Rod

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed May 30, 2018 2:48 pm

joey13 wrote:Did you say that about Marvin ?

Did you say that about Barnes, Gray & Wood ?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 30, 2018 2:56 pm

joey13 wrote:Did you say that about Marvin ?

A lot of credit has been accrued by Dyche since then.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:01 pm

jojomk1 wrote: Given the position WBA were in when he signed for them, it seems inconceivable to me that his agent didn't get some sort of relegation release clause written into the contract.
Poor work by his agent but WBA will know they can hold out for a high bid

he signed for them in july last year so even without the wages they were a more solid prospect than us.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed May 30, 2018 7:11 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Did you say that about Barnes, Gray & Wood ?

Didn’t say it about Wells either , like all managers he makes mistakes, the in Dyche we trust and like comments are just sycophancy

1968claret · Post by **1968claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:22 pm

joey13 wrote:Didn’t say it about Wells either , like all managers he makes mistakes, the in Dyche we trust and like comments are just sycophancy

To be fair, a manager who has taken a team from the championship to Europe, has the right to be trusted surely.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 10:58 pm

Why is Wells a mistake, he brought him in to add to the squad.
I hoped he would have had a bigger role, even if from the bench, but just because he hasn't played regular is irrelevant.
The same can be said for Bardsley. Not every player we buy is to add to the starting XI.
I thought Wells looked ok for the few minutes he came on against Bournemouth. With a pre season and a longer run who knows how it will pan out for him, it's certainly far too early to decide it was a bad buy.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:34 am

joey13 wrote:Didn’t say it about Wells either , like all managers he makes mistakes, the in Dyche we trust and like comments are just sycophancy

True but you specialise in the moaning side and pick out the ones that didn't work.

PrecisionClaret · Post by **PrecisionClaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 10:59 am

joey13 wrote:Did you say that about Marvin ?

Forgive me if I'm wrong but are you referring to Marvin Bartley?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu May 31, 2018 11:04 am

PrecisionClaret wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong but are you referring to Marvin Bartley?

Sordell, to be precise.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Thu May 31, 2018 11:05 am

PrecisionClaret wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong but are you referring to Marvin Bartley?

Sordell

PrecisionClaret · Post by **PrecisionClaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 11:11 am

kaptin1 wrote:Sordell

Jesus I forgot about him. I was about to point out Bartley was a Howe signing.... embarrassment avoided. Carry on.

My thoughts however on Jay; most complete forward we've had in the modern era and we should pull out all stops.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu May 31, 2018 11:49 am

The MIGHTY DANE RICHARDS

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu May 31, 2018 11:53 am

Dane Richards deal was done by Eddie Howe I think rather than SD.

I know some players are bought on the basis of footage from dvds or you tube but the unique thing about the Richards deal was that he was brought in after Howe and Tindall had watched 2 episodes of Different Strokes and they thought Arnold might bring a bit of fun to the dressing room.

And that’s a true story....probably

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 31, 2018 12:06 pm

So Jay Rod isn't actually back yet, Sky reporting we're interested while several on here are reporting the deal has already been done.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 31, 2018 12:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:So Jay Rod isn't actually back yet, Sky reporting we're interested while several on here are reporting the deal has already been done.

Sky makes up more shite than all the posters put together on here!

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu May 31, 2018 12:14 pm

KRBFC wrote:So Jay Rod isn't actually back yet, Sky reporting we're interested while several on here are reporting the deal has already been done.

I dont think many know whats exactly happening . Just guess work

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 31, 2018 12:37 pm

PrecisionClaret wrote:Jesus I forgot about him. I was about to point out Bartley was a Howe signing.... embarrassment avoided. Carry on.

My thoughts however on Jay; most complete forward we've had in the modern era and we should pull out all stops.

Better than Wood?

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Thu May 31, 2018 1:05 pm

Spijed wrote:Better than Wood?

Barnes has easily been better than Wood this season in my opinion. Neither are "complete" forwards though. Not sure Jay is either.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Thu May 31, 2018 4:36 pm

The Brighton game will be interesting if we sign him.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Thu May 31, 2018 4:42 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Why is Wells a mistake, he brought him in to add to the squad.
I hoped he would have had a bigger role, even if from the bench, but just because he hasn't played regular is irrelevant.
, it's certainly far too early to decide it was a bad buy.

I think it's safe to say it's late enough to suggest he hasn't been a good buy. There were times last season when he was fit but not even getting on the bench. Next season will be tougher still and we require more quality,even on the bench. I suspect he would be looking forward to a lot more time on the pitch and he just won't get that with us.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 5:08 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:I think it's safe to say it's late enough to suggest he hasn't been a good buy. There were times last season when he was fit but not even getting on the bench. Next season will be tougher still and we require more quality,even on the bench. I suspect he would be looking forward to a lot more time on the pitch and he just won't get that with us.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's too early to judge.
Lots of our players were written off after one season. Barnes and Brady among them. He was carrying a slight injury when we signed him, add to that, that by the time he was 'fit again, we had lost Defour and Brady. Maybe we couldn't play a style that suited him without them on the pitch being creative.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu May 31, 2018 5:16 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's too early to judge.
Lots of our players were written off after one season.

That's ironic as a potential player is being written off before he's even signed, and he's done and will do more than Wells could ever dream of.

Not a point aimed at you, but in general.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu May 31, 2018 5:16 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:True but you specialise in the moaning side and pick out the ones that didn't work.

Sort of made my point , cheers

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Thu May 31, 2018 5:17 pm

PrecisionClaret wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong but are you referring to Marvin Bartley?

Or Marvin the paranoid android

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 pm

Jay should not be a priority signing - as shouldn’t a striker in general. Need to work on the midfield and defence first and foremost.

PrecisionClaret · Post by **PrecisionClaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:07 pm

Better than Wood?

Hmmm, let me think.... YES. Wood is effective but Jay offers much more overall play, can play in a 10 role, can control a ball (Wood's first touch is only slightly better than Gray's), good in the air and a cultured finisher. If he doesn't score Wood is a bit absent in games.
This past season, Jay has shown durability after his long lay off and should be strong next year.

Ideal for the strength of squad we require next year.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:15 pm

My source says Burnley are interested but no deal has been done like claimed on here days ago.

Do I now count as ''In The Know'' ?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:15 pm

PrecisionClaret wrote:Wood's first touch is only slightly better than Gray's

Based on what?
He scored 10 goals this season in 24 matches which is a very good return.

As for Jay, he's played 73 matches since he got injured. Hardly a long lay off prior to this season.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:26 pm

Spijed wrote:Based on what?
He scored 10 goals this season in 24 matches which is a very good return.

As for Jay, he's played 73 matches since he got injured. Hardly a long lay off prior to this season.

We get it - you don't want Rodriguez here

PrecisionClaret · Post by **PrecisionClaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:26 pm

73 matches since his big injury in 2014 and was sporadic in his comeback to full fitness; hence S'ton selling him. My point is that he has come back strong and that can only carry on/improve if under Dyche and his miraculous pre-season (possible myth).

I don't question Wood's goal contribution, which has been excellent. The subject matter was that Jay offers a more all round game; and yes Wood's first touch isn't very good, which leads to play breaking down. I would hazard a guess (I'm not going to check, I'm a busy man in the bath. But be my guest) that a lot of Wood's goals are one touch (not control) finishes e.g. Spurs away. I don't recall many where he has taken the ball on, controlled it, had a couple of touches and then deceived the keeper.

The point was, we need something different. Right, where's the Alpecin?

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:31 pm

Bournemouth and Newcastle sniffing around after him too. Him coming to Burnley seems far from a done deal.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:37 pm

taio wrote:We get it - you don't want Rodriguez here

Nothing against him, but I don't think he's any better than what we have.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:42 pm

Maybe, maybe not, but you can’t deny, he’s different!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:43 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:I think it's safe to say it's late enough to suggest he hasn't been a good buy. There were times last season when he was fit but not even getting on the bench. Next season will be tougher still and we require more quality,even on the bench. I suspect he would be looking forward to a lot more time on the pitch and he just won't get that with us.

It depends how you define a good buy. We haven’t got enough places on the bench to name all of our squad, so some people have to miss out. £5m may seem a lot for a squad filler but I’d be interested to see how much Arsenal and Everton’s squad fillers cost - the teams that finished either side of us.

Had we not have had such a successful season I’d wager that we’d have seen more of Wells.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:33 pm

If we were about to sign Jack Cork we would have numerous doubters on here. Jack has been immense and won his England cap playing for us. For me Jay is in the same league. He will add depth, quality, versatility and score goals. He has plenty to prove and will revel in the affection that will undoubtedly grow with the claret faithful. This one really excites me-pray it comes off. We have one of the weakest benches in the PL, and before anyone jumps down my throat Sam may have scored us a few vital points but is slow and predictable-not a game changer .
Liverpool proved Saturday the game is won and lost by having strikers on the bench. They brought on Lallana Real Madrid had Bale. In my view we need "two game changers" and Jay fills one of those slots nicely

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:39 pm

Jason will go where the money is, wether its us or someone else time will tell.
All footballers go for the money, just like any other human being

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:42 pm

Top Claret wrote:Jason will go where the money is, wether its us or someone else time will tell.
All footballers go for the money, just like any other human being

but certain ''In The Know'' posters on here were claiming the deal was already done, agreed terms on £60k p/w wage which quite obviously isn't the case otherwise the club would've announced it and the media would've picked up on it by now given claims were made days ago.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:44 pm

Ignore them KRBFC their blowing out of there arse oils

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:54 pm

jdrobbo wrote:Maybe, maybe not, but you can’t deny, he’s different!

John Gayle would be different.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:55 am

Top Claret wrote:Jason will go where the money is, wether its us or someone else time will tell.
All footballers go for the money, just like any other human being

Who's Jason?

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:18 am

Lord Beamish wrote:Who's Jason?

Puncheon?