ARTICLE: Nick Pope in the middle of England’s goal

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:13 am

So what you really meant to say was 1 England sub currently playing for Burnley, two others who played for us in the past also came on.

Strange thread title.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:14 am

Strange response

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:16 am

It's not though is it? There wasn't 3 subs from Burnley.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:21 am

Lets just delete the topic and call it quits

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:22 am

Pope is from Soham
Cahill is from Dronfield
Trippier is from Ramsbottom

None of them are from Burnley

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:23 am

See I'm not that pedantic

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:27 am

The op was expressing pride that current or former Burnley players are playing for England... something that Burnley fans find a great source of joy. Us older fans are even somewhat amazed by it. Football fans everywhere will associate with that sense of pride ..Not surprisingly the usual pedants are along immediately to try and spoil things...

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:33 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The op was expressing pride that current or former Burnley players are playing for England... something that Burnley fans find a great source of joy. Us older fans are even somewhat amazed by it. Football fans everywhere will associate with that sense of pride ..Not surprisingly the usual pedants are along immediately to try and spoil things...

Not once have I denied the scope of achievement, what I don't like and can't understand how others tolerate it is thread titles which are misleading or completely inaccurate.

"3 England subs from Burnley" is wrong.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:35 am

randomclaret2 wrote:The op was expressing pride that current or former Burnley players are playing for England... something that Burnley fans find a great source of joy. Us older fans are even somewhat amazed by it. Football fans everywhere will associate with that sense of pride ..Not surprisingly the usual pedants are along immediately to try and spoil things...

Spot on

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:40 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Pope is from Soham
Cahill is from Dronfield
Trippier is from Ramsbottom

None of them are from Burnley

Didn't know that Tripps was from Rammy. Always thought he was a Bury lad.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:45 am

Foulthrow wrote:Didn't know that Tripps was from Rammy. Always thought he was a Bury lad.

His family live in Summerseat.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:49 am

Tall Paul wrote:His family live in Summerseat.

Did they own that pub that used to be frequented by members of the squad?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:03 pm

Very good to see him given his debut also to see his flawless kicking, one poor throw out aside I thought it was an excellent assured performance and must have given him and all even more confidence of his all round ability.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:08 pm

england's downfall this summer will be southgate's ridiculous decision to choose his order of goalkeepers in reverse order of quality.

pickford is crap, butland is better but prone to errors, pope is neither.

lessons should have been learned from liverpool's recent champions league debacle. having a crap keeper gets you knocked out.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:08 pm

I must apologise wholeheartedly for the error of my ways. I was just pointing out that three of the subs were our lads, ie 'from Burnley' at one time or another. For them all to come on at the same time looked great to me! 'From Burnley' seemed a good way to shorten the thread title that 'that have played for Burnley FC at some point in time' but I'm obviously a criminal in the way I misused my words.

If the time has come when people criticise thread titles it feels like time to give up bothering to write anything.

For goodness sake, lighten up!

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:16 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:england's downfall this summer will be southgate's ridiculous decision to choose his order of goalkeepers in reverse order of quality.

pickford is crap, butland is better but prone to errors, pope is neither.

lessons should have been learned from liverpool's recent champions league debacle. having a crap keeper gets you knocked out.

I think England would settle for being runners-up in the World Cup like Liverpool in the Champions League.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:18 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I think England would settle for being runners-up in the World Cup like Liverpool in the Champions League.

Hey steady on it was only against Costa Rica, lets not get carried away

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:31 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Very good to see him given his debut also to see his flawless kicking, one poor throw out aside I thought it was an excellent assured performance and must have given him and all even more confidence of his all round ability.

I thought the problems caused after the throw out were due to the defender and not Pope.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:36 pm

Yes possibly the fellow had switched off but I think with experience Nick would have held on to the ball longer.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:49 pm

Tall Paul wrote:I think England would settle for being runners-up in the World Cup like Liverpool in the Champions League.

same here but that wasn't my point. it was that, in the end, having a **** keeper will cost you.

liverpool had a great chance to win the champions league until he chucked two (arguably three) in.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:58 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:same here but that wasn't my point. it was that, in the end, having a **** keeper will cost you.

liverpool had a great chance to win the champions league until he chucked two (arguably three) in.

"arguably three" ?

Go on then - its a quite news day on the board. Lets here the argument for the Bale wonder goal being described as "chucked in" !!

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:03 pm

You could tell he has been working on his distribution looked like he had made a big improvement

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:05 pm

TVC15 wrote:"arguably three" ?

Go on then - its a quite news day on the board. Lets here the argument for the Bale wonder goal being described as "chucked in" !!

it wasn't chucked in but he could have made a better attempt at saving it. he gives up halfway through his dive.

not saying he would have saved it (especially going on the rest of his performance) but it was hit fairly centrally and not particularly out of reach.

none of which takes any credit away from bale, obviously.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:15 pm

Harsh !

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Just been sent this by my cousin.

https://youtu.be/vhvP2tbCLsQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gotta say, he didn't look good playing it out from the back to defenders. either that or the defenders were static..... it certainly wasn't city-esque

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:24 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Just been sent this by my cousin.

https://youtu.be/vhvP2tbCLsQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1 minute and 52 seconds that proves he's better than pickford.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:25 pm

on a serious note, pope's got the safest hands of any goalkeeper i've seen in a while, including heaton.

the way he simply catches some really powerful shots is very impressive.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:30 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Did they own that pub that used to be frequented by members of the squad?

my last property in the UK was in the mill in Summerseat. I've just been staying in an airbnb in Holcombe and discovered the old pub/restaurant had completely collapsed into the river, and that my old apartment would have been flooded during your big rains some time ago......

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:40 pm

Well done Nick Pope, an overdue but confident debut, many congratulations to him.

That near post shot would have seen Pickford theatrically pushing it around the post before leaping back up like he'd been stung by a wasp. I may be a little bias though

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:41 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:1 minute and 52 seconds that proves he's better than pickford.

The awful throw out at 1 minute and 16 seconds that put Delph in an awful position is probably what Southgates worries about around his distribution.

Could have easily led to a Costa Rica goal and had Pickford or Butland done that there would be endless posts about it on here

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:51 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The awful throw out at 1 minute and 16 seconds that put Delph in an awful position is probably what Southgates worries about around his distribution.

Could have easily led to a Costa Rica goal and had Pickford or Butland done that there would be endless posts about it on here

You mean the one that is straight to Delph's feet but he mis-controls putting himself in danger?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:57 pm

martin_p wrote:You mean the one that is straight to Delph's feet but he mis-controls putting himself in danger?

No the one where he throws it too softly to a player facing his own goal on the edge of his own box with an attacker able to get right up his backside and with no cover.

People can spin it how they want but it put Delph under real pressure in a dangerous situation and had Pickford thrown that ball out to Tarks in the exact same scenario than the reaction on here would have been to completely blame the keeper.

I get people are chuffed to bits about Pope and want to celebrate the achievement but I cant help view things a bit more objectively and add some balance no matter how much it irks people on here

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:03 pm

He doesn't look natural on the ball whatsoever.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:21 pm

Damn! His only talent is to stop everything coming his way, better than anyone else in the land!

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The awful throw out at 1 minute and 16 seconds that put Delph in an awful position is probably what Southgates worries about around his distribution.

Could have easily led to a Costa Rica goal and had Pickford or Butland done that there would be endless posts about it on here

as i alluded to in the following post, i wasn't exactly being serious about the video.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:25 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:as i alluded to in the following post, i wasn't exactly being serious about the video.

Fair shout, I lazily just used your post to quote to make my point as it had the original link on

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:35 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:He doesn't look natural on the ball whatsoever.

i don't think anyone would claim he's the best with his feet but that isn't what matters when you're a goalkeeper.

england aren't manchester city who need a sweeper rather than a keeper (although ederson is a top keeper besides his passing range)

i terms of actual goalkeeping, pope is the best of the three. he saves a higher percentage of shots and makes less mistakes, he commands his area better and is better on crosses.

burnley's defence is so good because the defenders' priority is defending. that's how you build a good team - choose the best players for each position by who gets the basics right with the most consistency.

pope > butland > pickford. its bizarre that southgate is going with pickford as his first choice.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:No the one where he throws it too softly to a player facing his own goal on the edge of his own box with an attacker able to get right up his backside and with no cover.

People can spin it how they want but it put Delph under real pressure in a dangerous situation and had Pickford thrown that ball out to Tarks in the exact same scenario than the reaction on here would have been to completely blame the keeper.

I get people are chuffed to bits about Pope and want to celebrate the achievement but I cant help view things a bit more objectively and add some balance no matter how much it irks people on here

As I saw it Delph could have just knocked it back to Pope, but he tried to be clever

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:08 pm

Pickford Panics
Butland good
Pope great

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:23 pm

Do my fellow Clarets remember the story about Nick at Deepdale? Pre-season friendly and one of our lads hit a rocket into the crowd when shooting in. It happened to be our end. The ball hit a little girl in the face. A UTC member was sat near the poor girl and told us how well Nick reacted. If I recall rightly the girl's Mum posted on the thread saying how concerned Nick was. I think Nick asked the lass who her favourite Claret was (Andre Gray I think) and he saw her at the end of the match and gave her AG's shirt signed by him.

That said a lot about him as a lad. We didn't know too much about him as a player then. But we do now.

It's great to see a good sound lad fulfil a dream and play for England.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:51 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The awful throw out at 1 minute and 16 seconds that put Delph in an awful position is probably what Southgates worries about around his distribution.

Could have easily led to a Costa Rica goal and had Pickford or Butland done that there would be endless posts about it on here

Amazing dickishness.

Does it take a lot of practice to get to the level that you're at?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:56 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Amazing dickishness.

Does it take a lot of practice to get to the level that you're at?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HnNBxNnV7o

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:01 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJh47LybCkU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Richardhead · Post by **Richardhead** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:The awful throw out at 1 minute and 16 seconds that put Delph in an awful position is probably what Southgates worries about around his distribution.

Could have easily led to a Costa Rica goal and had Pickford or Butland done that there would be endless posts about it on here

I applaud your honesty.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:37 pm

Pickford will look brilliant playing the ball with his feet through the centre to the half way line.

Unfortunately it just may be after he has retrieved it from the net though.

Jimmymaccer · Post by **Jimmymaccer** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:23 am

Woodworth..........I took my girlfriend on that day to show her why I love football and BFCso much......

Oh dear.

No longer with her obviously, but I’m still here!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:52 pm

Courtois isn't great on the ball but Belgium play the best goalkeeper and lace fannying about to others! His height is an advantage - just like Pope.