David Davis resigns

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:55 pm

196... I think you might be correct about Liam Fox, he’s looking very ill-at-ease at Westminster.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:01 pm

David Davis was an excellent choice for the role of our Brexit Minister/Negotiator, because has all the qualities needed to perform the role he was given with aplomb. The role of sacrificial lamb. He takes direction well, he isn't the brightest bulb in the political box and he isn't the type to rock the boat by taking a courageous stance for what is right.

Theresa May constantly sticks to the same predictable strategies to maintain her position. She places her sacrificial lambs on the front line, gives them their orders and if things work out well she takes all the credit. If they don't work out she throws these gullible lambs on the funeral pyre to appease the angry mob and dilute the negative backwash.

She is wholly unsuited to a leadership position of any note. Her career has been based on skulking in the shadows and avoiding the centre stage where possible. On the rare occasions that she has been dragged out of the shadows to assume a more prominent position she has been a spectacular failure each and every time.

Theresa May has developed a complete understanding of all the players in the conservative party, in relation to their strengths and weaknesses. She knows exactly which strings she needs to pull to get them dancing to her tune and this has allowed her to scheme her way to the top.

Her woefully bad performance in the last general election, where she had to take centre stage, almost cost her that position. Against stronger opposition and with a longer run up she would have lost. A lot was made about the rise of Jeremy Corbin, but he isn't much better, all those haemorrhaged votes had to land in somebody's lap.

Unfortunately for us her tawdry little manipulations are only effective in her own party and in the wider political arena she has nothing to offer. She has zero charisma, no ability to think on her feet, poor debating/negotiating skills and a complete lack of empathy and moral fortitude.

One of the main reasons behind the lack of progress in the Brexit negotiations, which have exposed our country to the negative impacts of prolonged uncertainty, is that it is in her own best interest to delay the announcement of a final deal. With no plan and no clue we are destined to get a very bad deal and that predictable revelation will certainly mark the end of her. She is simply putting her own political and egotistical interests above those of the country, vainly clinging on to a position that her talent and ability can't justify her holding.

David Davis has done everything that was expected of him, which is nothing. With time running out and a poor deal on the horizon he has simply chosen to jump ship instead of waiting for Theresa to throw him on the pyre.

It's a sad state of affairs. Brexit could have gone either way. Lots of people are bemoaning how badly things are going but it isn't because Brexit was a bad move. We are simply being let down by a group of poor politicians who are placing themselves first, their party second, the supporters of their party third and the interests of our country and the people within it a very distant fourth. The Brexit process has simply revealed the catastrophically poor calibre of the politicians elected to represent us and with a better standard of politician things could have developed very differently.

Our political class is lacking the team spirit, sweat on the shirt philosophy and humility to make us proud.

Sean Dyche for Prime Minister?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:59 pm

And people said Cameron was an idiot, he certainly knew what lay down the road.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:40 pm

"There will continue to be Free Trade and access to the Single Market"

Boris Johnson writing in The Telegraph 2016

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:53 pm

This is hilarious, if I'd known it would damage the Tory party so much I'd have voted Leave

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:58 pm

Looks like Theresa May will have no deal and no cabinet. It's hysterical that absolutely everything that woman attempts goes tits up.

"Can you pay on the gate?" is the only stance she's got left with the EU now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:00 pm

Would still need 158 votes against her to throw her out of number 10

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:

Would still need 158 votes against her to throw her out of number 10

Hard to believe that Johnson would have resigned without a belief that he has the support for a leadership bid. He didn't hang on as Foreign Secretary because he was interested in doing the job and he hasn't quit because he's willing to watch this play out from the back benches. It's all about plotting his route to the top.

Of course, the thing with Johnson is that if he ever does get to be PM he'll probably resign the day after because he'd have no interest in actually doing the job, his ego just needs to know that he made it to the top office.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:36 pm

The prospect of Boris Johnson as PM is truly ******* horrific.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:38 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Yes that's bob on!

The same Farage that was probably making more dosh in finance before he entered politics. The same Farage that has worked tirelessly from inside the EU and effectively campaigned to make himself unemployed by getting the UK out of the failed, undemocratic, German dominated experiment. Yes that one.

And how much is he taking from the gravy train , you know the one he doesn’t approve of ?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:40 pm

JohnMac wrote:And people said Cameron was an idiot, he certainly knew what lay down the road.

And bailed out , the odious ****

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:43 pm

joey13 wrote:And how much is he taking from the gravy train , you know the one he doesn’t approve of ?

Not to mention how much he's pocketing from the various right wing causes he champions around the world. He isn't doing that for the good of his health.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:44 pm

Financially, I'm bomb-proof so I'd be quite happy to see Johnson come in and make a huge ******** of the whole thing for the short time he lasts.

You just have to hope that the most ardent and er, principled of Brexiteers are just as well insulated. Mind you, it would be nice to see them to take a huge hit. That's what they voted for and won.

Who could they blame then ? The EU, no. Project Fear, no. Immigrants, no. They'll be out of scapegoats before you know it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:45 pm

They'll never be out of scapegoats

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Aye, that's true.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:08 pm

Rubbing hands at National instability just so you can say told you so..... says it all really.

Trying to placate remoaners will ultimately lose May her job..... and lead to a no deal. Please explain how this is good news for remainers?

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:15 pm

Johnson’s resignation letter for those who haven’t seen it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44772804" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:23 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Johnson’s resignation letter for those who haven’t seen it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44772804" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And for those interested below is David Davis' resignation letter

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:49 pm

Rubbing hands at National instability just so you can say told you so..... says it all really.

No it doesn't at all.

I'm seriously ****** off at being right since day 1

And what do people do who have been wrong since day 1?

Blame those of us who have been right since day 1

Have some guts and own your mistake would be a start.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm seriously ****** off at being right since day 1

Like all Remainers.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:41 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:No it doesn't at all.

I'm seriously ****** off at being right since day 1

And what do people do who have been wrong since day 1?
.

Well, for some absurd reason they've been "seriously ****** off" too.
Never have a "winning" side been so bitter and twisted, (and divided).

69 WALLOP · Post by **69 WALLOP** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:58 pm

Chris Green MP for Bolton West has resigned now

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:04 pm

Oh yeah. I forgot that their majority is razor thin.

Oh. Right. He's still an MP. (lol)

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:06 pm

Jeremy Hunt to replace Johnson.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:07 pm

"Financially I'm bomb proof...it would be nice to see them take a huge hit " ...
Oh dear

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:10 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:"Financially I'm bomb proof...it would be nice to see them take a huge hit " ...
Oh dear

No one ever said the right has a monopoly on morons.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:23 pm

Nurses and doctors will be celebrating.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nurses and doctors will be celebrating.

The patients as well.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:33 pm

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:49 pm

I think for the will of democracy a vote of no confidence in the PM has got to happen. Whether you are a remainer or not, democracy is what this country is built on, and when politics tries to contrive this we are going down a more serous route. Religion and politics worry's me immensely right now, considering they are supposed to be the corner stone of society.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:54 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I think for the will of democracy a vote of no confidence in the PM has got to happen. Whether you are a remainer or not, democracy is what this country is built on, and when politics tries to contrive this we are going down a more serous route. Religion and politics worry's me immensely right now, considering they are supposed to be the corner stone of society.

How is what May doing (whether it’s a good idea or not) not democratic? The referendum result was to leave the EU and May is saying we’re leaving the EU.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:56 pm

martin_p wrote:How is what May doing (whether it’s a good idea or not) not democratic? The referendum result was to leave the EU and May is saying we’re leaving the EU.

UK votes to leave
UK leaves

Leave voters "this isn't democracy!"

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:58 pm

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RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No one ever said the right has a monopoly on morons.

Says the idiot who. single handedly, ensures, that the Left always have a disproportionate over representatation of moronic clowns in their ranks.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:UK votes to leave

Idiot doesn't understand the concept of Leave in name only

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:04 pm

This is what it looks like when you infuriate someone so much with facts that they can't refute, that they foam at the mouth for no reason at all.

RingoMcCartney wrote:Says the idiot who. single handedly, ensures, that the Left always have a disproportionate over representatation of moronic clowns in their ranks.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:15 pm

Hunt is different league though. Johnson is either a genuine clown or a damn good actor whereas Hunt is odious.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:17 pm

Good riddance to David Davis a lazy self-serving individual.

Hilarious when the EU spokesman thanked him for the 4 hours of work that he had managed to put in during the last 2 years in Brussels on the Brexit withdrawal process.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:18 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is what it looks like when you infuriate someone so much with facts that they can't refute, that they foam at the mouth for no reason at all.

TURTLE - " I have answered your question already. Answering it again would be spamming.

RINGO - "If you could just point me to the said answer, I'd appreciate it. Not saying you haven't but if you could....

TURTLE - "I've just been looking for it and it seems like i didn't reply. I typed it out and everything, i don't know why it didn't submitAnyway, the long and short of it was that in responce to one opinion poll, no. In responce to many polls and the wider public pressuring the government to force an election, absolutely. "

RINGO - "Care to give examples of "polls and the wider public pressuring the government to force an election" In this country. As opposed to in-fighting and resignations or armed insurgency having forced an election.
In this country?

TURTLE - "No. Because i can't be bothered."

This is what it looks like when you engage with an idiot. They simply bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

What a hapless clown !

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:24 pm

Erm... i provided you an example of the public pressuring a government to force an election. You claimed it wasn't good enough because of some arbitrary geographical limitation you placed on the question.

If you have to lie about someone then it means the truth isn't on your side.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:28 pm

ClaretAL wrote:I think for the will of democracy a vote of no confidence in the PM has got to happen.

She'll win (DUP still support her, and Tories won't vote for Corbyn) - and therefore nothing will change.
The only way that May can be challenged is for the Tory leadership, because this doesn't bring with it the threat of a general election, unless of course they were to elect someone who was unacceptable to the DUP, (i.e. a hard brexiteer who was advocating a no deal and by implication a hard border).

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:43 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: Idiot doesn't understand the concept of Leave in name only

People voted to ‘leave’, nothing else. This is leaving. If you’re trying to stop this deal you’re anti-democratic and ignoring the will of the people.

You won, get over it!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:54 pm

martin_p wrote:
You won!

That's spot on Marty! Against you, again and again and again.

6.0

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:55 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Jeremy Hunt to replace Johnson.

Brave move in the circumstances an arch-remainer for a leading Brexitter,is she throwing down the gauntlet to the disaffected,back me our sack me,risky but could pay off at least in the short-term.There is a lot of noise but not much action thus far from any potential challengers,if they could find a stalking horse this could put the cat among the pigeons.The MP'S are demanding movement on the Chequers agreement,but i can't see how Theresa can give ground without looking weak,on the other hand if she doesn't it seems inevitable she will face a leadership challenge.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:59 pm

I don't know what's funnier, all the resignations and the soft Brexit or Ringo getting completely owned by *Imploding Turtle on literally every post

*and martin_p

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:02 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I don't know what's funnier, all the resignations and the soft Brexit or Ringo getting completely owned by *Imploding Turtle on literally every post

*and martin_p

I know what's funnier.

The above post!

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:40 pm

No point addressing me Wrongo, I blocked you, I can't actually see what you write because your posts are moronic and simply not worth reading.
I only read other poster's replies and when they quote you and then make you look utterly stupid, a prime example being martin_p's glorious post above.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:42 pm

This one.

Oooh it must hurt getting burned so deeply...

martin_p wrote:People voted to ‘leave’, nothing else. This is leaving. If you’re trying to stop this deal you’re anti-democratic and ignoring the will of the people.

You won, get over it!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:47 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:No point addressing me Wrongo, I blocked you, I can't actually see what you write because your posts are moronic and simply not worth reading.
I only read other poster's replies and when they quote you and then make you look utterly stupid, a prime example being martin_p's glorious post above.

So,

You block me. Not wanting to see my "moronic" posts.

I post laughing at you.

Then you post again claiming there's no point me addressing you!

What a mug!

You really didn't think that one through did you!

And you reckon my posts are "moronic"!

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:42 am

This whole scenario just shows you what the political class think of the ordinary person in this country.

Regardless of which side your from the referendum was binary in or out... as simple as that. Unfortunately for those who voted for the side which won the majority of the political class didn’t share those views and have since day one been looking to subvert the result. Unfortunately there aren’t many(any) parties to vote for come the next election. Labour should be sweeping the board the only thing stopping them is their hard left position

May’s awful premiership has all but guaranteed the Tories will be unelectable for the forseeable future.