£8m bid for Clucas in - Nixon

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:14 am

FeedTheArf wrote:If Swansea were trying sell us a dud in Clucas to buy Woods from Brentford why don't we just cut out the middleman and get Woods ourselves?!

WOOD...it's WOOD!

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:27 am

Firthy wrote:Jay Rod won't be coming so make that two and one of those is a keeper. It would be disappointing if we end up with just a one outfield player who is a back up CB from this transfer window.

At £15m or whatever you’d assume Gibson is more than a back up. However you’re right, a keeper and a centre half would represent a very disappointing window. Centre half was certainly required (sorry but I’ll never be convinced that Kevin Long is good enough to potentially be playing regularly in the PL..and to be just one injury / suspension away from that all the time is frightening). But not to add to midfield / attack ? Fairly inexcusable in our position.

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:39 am

mdd2 wrote:Fitness will not be the problem. "He is not fit but we will get him fit" Sean Dyche and so we sign him au Wells. More likely "I have assessed his injury, looked at the MR of his knee and I cannot be certain he doesn't need more surgery. If he does he will be out another 9 months" Alternative "I cannot be certain he will fully recover" Orthopaedic Surgeon specialising in knee surgery. So we do not sign him having looked at the plaque on the wall commemorating the signing of Joe Gallagher.
Probably time to move on if this is the situation

If we have decided not to sign him after chasing him so long then it will be for good reasons that have only just come to light. Better we find them now rather than after signing.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:46 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:At £15m or whatever you’d assume Gibson is more than a back up. However you’re right, a keeper and a centre half would represent a very disappointing window. Centre half was certainly required (sorry but I’ll never be convinced that Kevin Long is good enough to potentially be playing regularly in the PL..and to be just one injury / suspension away from that all the time is frightening). But not to add to midfield / attack ? Fairly inexcusable in our position.

The worry is Defour, Brady, Wood and Barnes can be injury prone and if they were all out injured then our attacking options would be very limited.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:12 am

Was looking a little bit more promising but now turning into a shambles.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:40 am

What was Defour's injury that has and still does keep him out of any sort.of.football?

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:52 am

Shambles ??? A player fails a medical
Nothing to do with the club.
In fact shows we have professional people employed to find these problems.
Well done to our medical team.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:55 am

Player known to have a knee problem may have failed a medical. Wow what a surprise.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:05 pm

Blyclaret wrote:Shambles ??? A player fails a medical
Nothing to do with the club.
In fact shows we have professional people employed to find these problems.
Well done to our medical team.

Shambles we never made this enquiry untill now.

GrahamBranchsPerm · Post by **GrahamBranchsPerm** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:09 pm

Defo not a shambles - still time.

Gibson, when over the line - very good - was the highest priority position, we 'got away with it' last season at CH.
Keeper - was needed - good belt and braces approach. Hopefully Heaton plays every league game though.
Another striker - 100% needed - Jay Rod would fit the bill in every way. Let's see. He wants to come, I know this as a respected friend (ex pro sports man, BFC fan, not a joker) was in Portugal (same complex) 3 weeks ago on hol and they spoke.
Winger or wide cover - still needed - if Clucas is crocked or greedy, move on. Clucas looks dead.
Midfield cover - still needed, but as long as Defour gets fit we do have Cork, Westwood, Defour and Hendrick (this is his better position IMHO) to get us through till Jan.

I'd still push hard for Dawson too - not playing away from WBA, so power is shifting, but defo not for £20m / £75k a week. We need to de-risk Ben Mee, Gibson helps, but we need 3, long term committed centre halves and FL as 4th choice for the odd cameo max, if Mee wants out, fine, he is £45k - £50k per week tops for me. Tarky, Gibson and Dawson would fit the bill well.

I expect us to be in a good place come the deadline bell - still in Europe hopefully (tough tie) and well stocked up with hard working, mainly British players who won't see us anywhere near the bottom 6 all season.

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Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:11 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Shambles we never made this enquiry untill now.

Yeah, we should have given him a medical before we agreed the fee and everything else.

FeedTheArf · Post by **FeedTheArf** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:12 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Shambles we never made this enquiry untill now.

How do you expect that conversation to go??

Dyche: "We like the look of Clucas, how does £8m sound?"
Swansea: "Go on then you've twisted our arm"
Dyche: "Great.. oh one last thing, doesn't have any dodgy knees we should know about does he?"
Swansea: "Nooooooooo course not!"

The reality is, Swansea will know his medical history and feedback from surgeons / physios in detail. Why would they cough up that information when they are trying to get the highest possible price for their player? Instead take a chance that we will miss the problem / have a different opinion / be that desperate to close the deal - take your pick.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:12 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Yeah, we should have given him a medical before we agreed the fee and everything else.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:13 pm

Even if we get Gibson and Hart IMO we still ideally need a striker a number 10 a pacey left winger and a central midfielder

And just 4 days to go

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:14 pm

Well a few phone calls and I'm sure they could have found what is exactly up with clucas, players speak to players etc.. it wouldnt be hard.. (jack cork)

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:16 pm

Use the money from this £8m to up the JRod offer. Simples...

Hart, Gibson and J Rod would be a good transfer window.

Would give us Hendrick back as a proper CM.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:19 pm

Bloody hell, mkmel, you are optimistic. I agree with you on those positions by the way but we still have some deadwood that doesn't look like moving. Two of those days will see us out of the country which makes it more unlikely that the manager will get what he needs and above all.deserves.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:21 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Well a few phone calls and I'm sure they could have found what is exactly up with clucas, players speak to players etc.. it wouldnt be hard.. (jack cork)

Jack Cork didn't play with Clucas at Swansea

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:22 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:What was Defour's injury that has and still does keep him out of any sort.of.football?

Chinese knee

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:22 pm

The mind boggles
What are the club to do
Damned if they do danmed if they don’t.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm

It's far too late in the window for alleged failed medicals. This is why we should have a acted sooner. But no we are too obessed with trying to win poker games.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:23 pm

There's not a cloud in the sky but the black cloud chasers are out.

Chase them black clouds, chase them good and proper.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:26 pm

CoolClaret wrote:Jack Cork didn't play with Clucas at Swansea

I know.. I'm pretty sure he knows plenty at Swansea still..
Seriously??

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:27 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote:Bloody hell, mkmel, you are optimistic. I agree with you on those positions by the way but we still have some deadwood that doesn't look like moving. Two of those days will see us out of the country which makes it more unlikely that the manager will get what he needs and above all.deserves.

I don't expect us to fill all of those positions just saying what we ideally need

And as you implied we need to find a new home for the likes of Walters and Wells

GrahamBranchsPerm · Post by **GrahamBranchsPerm** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:29 pm

I do get the point on poker games, and there is obvious value on having targets in early.

But we are where we are, and we should judge at the end of the window, despite the angst brought on by the brinkmanship.

We were all pretty nervous at this point in the last few windows I recall, and a promotion, a survival, a seventh placed finish later have proven we probably magnify the issue in our own heads, as keen fans.

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NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:33 pm

After all the upbeat stuff since thursday at last an opportunity for the transfer market experts to slag the club off. Feel good factor after a European win has worn off already for some.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:39 pm

The truth can hurt. If you think it is fine to play brinkmanship with so much at stake then so be it. There are plenty that don't.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:44 pm

Does anyone actually know what’s going on?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:49 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:Does anyone actually know what’s going on?

Summit and Cockney obviously do.

It's happen as well, because they'd look like real gobsh1tes if they didn't.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:53 pm

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cockneyclaret wrote:Well a few phone calls and I'm sure they could have found what is exactly up with clucas, players speak to players etc.. it wouldnt be hard.. (jack cork)

Really? Do you know your work colleagues medical history? I don't know my wife's and we've been married over 40yrs.....even if they did know it would still need a medical, which as stated several times, cannot take place until the transfer is agreed

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:53 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Summit and Cockney obviously do.

It's happen as well, because they'd look like real gobsh1tes if they didn't.

Haven't you got something better to do like learning the words to football songs

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:59 pm

Only hymns on a Sunday, Advocate of Devils.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:14 pm

Is it as bad as Charlie Austins knee?

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:41 pm

Grumps wrote:
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Really? Do you know your work colleagues medical history? I don't know my wife's and we've been married over 40yrs.....even if they did know it would still need a medical, which as stated several times, cannot take place until the transfer is agreed

Well if someone is off for some time you do get to hear what's up with them..
40years of marriage and you don't know that.. bit worrying

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:45 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Well a few phone calls and I'm sure they could have found what is exactly up with clucas, players speak to players etc.. it wouldnt be hard.. (jack cork)

Hi cockney, is it possible that Clucas doesn't know the extent of the injury himself? or that he doesn't know how likely it is that he will make a full recovery and be "back to his best?" Or, that he underestimates the risk that his injury might re-occur?

I'm sure there are many examples of sports people who are over-optimistic about their chances of regaining full fitness, etc, etc after an injury. And, of course, if it's how you make your living it is less likely that you will be sharing your injury details with everyone else.

And, what is the role of the player's agent? Would any of us be impressed if Burnley said "well, we asked his agent if he was fit...."?

Just proper due diligence, no contract should be confirmed until the club has completed it's own medical. (I've no idea, maybe it's a requirement of the club's insurance policy that medicals are completed before a player is signed).

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TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 1:52 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:Well a few phone calls and I'm sure they could have found what is exactly up with clucas, players speak to players etc.. it wouldnt be hard.. (jack cork)

What fanciful world do you live in ?

Including the contracted wages and transfer / signing on fees etc the club are committing themselves to the best part of £20m - you seriously think that they would go off the word of a few of Jack Cork’s ex team mates rather than a full medical ?

Some fans have always got to find out a critical angle - ironically it’s probably the same fans who would be first on the board to tear into the club if we signed him and he then got injured.

Where I agree the club may face justified criticism is that if we do not have a couple of fall back options as I think we are in for an injury stricken season from Defour and I’m not convinced Westwood or Hendrick are the quality we need to partner Cork.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:43 pm

No question we need reinforcements in midfield, but whilst Clucas would be a perfectly solid signing, as ive said for a few weeks, hes not so essential as to make him someone worth pursuing at all costs. Its depth we need in that area above all else.

That said, one thing i think Clucas does rather well, which i think we lack in Defour's absence, is pass forwards incisively. Ryan Woods is mentioned above but hes a different sort of player i think- more in the Westwood mould.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:45 pm

IanMcL wrote:Chinese knee

You are obsessed with Defour to China... are you basing this off the throwaway comment made by his agent 18m ago?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:51 pm

claretspice wrote:No question we need reinforcements in midfield, but whilst Clucas would be a perfectly solid signing, as ive said for a few weeks, hes not so essential as to make him someone worth pursuing at all costs. Its depth we need in that area above all else.

That said, one thing i think Clucas does rather well, which i think we lack in Defour's absence, is pass forwards incisively. Ryan Woods is mentioned above but hes a different sort of player i think- more in the Westwood mould.

More a quarter back with a good range of passing but who creates himself plenty on the ball, from what I’ve read. Presumably a decent range of passing will be more than we tend to see without Defour (more balls to the channels and not penetrating centrally).

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:56 pm

Can we quit the 'quarter back' rubbish please.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:58 pm

Why is it rubbish?

Can we quit the posts with a lack of explanation rubbish, please?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:05 pm

DCWat wrote:Why is it rubbish?

Can we quit the posts with a lack of explanation rubbish, please?

Maybe because there’s no such position as “quarterback” in football (the non-US version)

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:07 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Maybe because there’s no such position as “quarterback” in football (the non-US version)

And there’s me thinking that Walters had been playing wide receiver all afternoon.

Long Time Lurker · Post by **Long Time Lurker** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:36 pm

DCWat wrote:Must admit that I wouldn’t be overly disappointed if this move didn’t materialise. The biggest concern being, can we find someone else suitable, quickly enough.

Left Wing + Utility = Joe Bryan or Steven Zuber

Midifield = Connor Hourihane or Ryan Woods

John McGinn might be one for the near future, but I don't know enough to give a informed opinion either way. I suspect we would have to give Hibs at least a short term loan back to swing the deal though.

The money they stand to earn from progressing in Europe over the next few weeks is a big deal for them, not to mention the time it will take to identify a replacement. If he doesn't go before our window ends then Celtic will have a free run at him, allowing them to pick him up for diddly squat so he can rot on their bench. Hopefully, our Scottish scouts have a decent idea of him and whether he is worth a £2-3m punt.

Beyond Midfield, Liverpool are possibly looking to thin out their squad. Divock Origi is in the last year of his contract and he could be a potential shout as an alternative to Jay Rod.

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Oops, forgot to add that I wouldn't entertain a bid of anywhere near the £25m price tag that Liverpool placed on him earlier in the window. That was very optimistic of them and possibly his agent. I would put him at £12m-£16m with a small sell on percentage and none of that buy back nonsense.

A cheeky late in the day offer that Liverpool can accept or reject and extend his contract, loan him out and try to sell him again another day. Would they loan him to us with an option to buy?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:21 pm

DCWat wrote:More a quarter back with a good range of passing but who creates himself plenty on the ball, from what I’ve read. Presumably a decent range of passing will be more than we tend to see without Defour (more balls to the channels and not penetrating centrally).

Quarterback is a word I've seen used to describe him, too. But i watched him a few times in his Shrewsbury days and he was very much in the Westwood mould and fundamentally a deep lying "metronome" type player. I might have him wrong, but I dont know how incisive his passing is, and in any event i dont think he's the sort to play high enough up the pitch to really open teams up. I think we're looking for someone who can take a few more risks in his passing, shift the ball quickly and also break the line a bit more - something Marney did (albeit sometimes without huge quality).

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:25 pm

I feel that our biggest shortcoming is the lack of quality through the middle to release the strikers and have a different line of attack open to us.

Someone of quality further up in midfield would certainly help with this.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:29 pm

Claretto wrote:You are obsessed with Defour to China... are you basing this off the throwaway comment made by his agent 18m ago?

Not to mention Defour's interviews.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:31 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Maybe because there’s no such position as “quarterback” in football (the non-US version)

It's a very strange term to use, especially as there's existing 'soccer' terms to use in it's place. It's clearly an attempt to come across as more intelligent, yet fails.

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:37 pm

Deal is off according to Chris Boden

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:41 pm

nyclaret wrote:Deal is off according to Chris Boden

Who was the poster who created a thread saying it was official and that he'd signed?