Prime minister Boris

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Boris Johnson is a self serving politician who always does what is best for Boris.

Not what is best for his party, for his country, but what is best to further his own interest.

Boris won't have time to mount a leadership challenge he will be laying down in front of the bulldozers to stop the third runway at Heathrow.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:57 pm

Would the people who are defending Johnson from accusations of racism like to have a go at defending these comments.

On Obama - "part-Kenyan" with an "ancestral dislike" of Britain.

He suggested the Queen must love touring the Commonwealth because she's greeted by "cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies" and that in the Congo, Tony Blair would be met with "watermelon smiles".

I really think his latest comments should be viewed in context of examples like the above.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:06 pm

Boris Johnson is merely playing to the Brexit gallery with his comments on Muslim women and the way they dress. Many of the people who voted for Brexit did so because they wanted to cut down on immigration, especially migrants and refugees from the war torn region of the Middle East.

The type of comment that draws the remark "He is only saying what a lot of people are thinking."

The Daily Mail even had a front page headline last week pointing out that it was Remain MP'S who were making the strongest objections to his remarks.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:09 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:This Bojo is racist business is preposterous , he sat two terms of Mayor of one of the most diverse cities in the world ffs . The left and uber liberals know that Boris is the only figure who could ( possibly ) galvanise the Tories and destroy Corbyn in a GE hence why they’re feasting on this scrap of nonsense , seemingly unaware he was supporting their right to wear the fecking things !

He’d struggle in a “ play off” though as ( despite what some think) there’s a lot of pretty wet Tories who really don’t like him. Boris needs to keep clear of the likes of clowns like JRM and his ilk and he could be a fine PM

In my opinion Corbyn would squash Johnson like a bug in any face to face debate.

What are Johnson's principles, apart from in the service of the greater self? I don't think he's racist - despite the fact he's on record using the term 'piccaninny' describing African children. He's just offensive. A good politician is someone unafraid to stand up for what they believe in - even if that flies in the face of public opinion. What do you think this says about Johnson's character in writing the piece in the Telegraph about hijabs? Let's bear in mind that women who wear hijabs are a lot more likely to be on the end of racial abuse than women who don't wear them. And they don't present any kind of threat to our society (ie; they're not violent). What kind of man makes a big deal in a national newspaper about a tiny minority of inoffensive women who choose to be veiled? And what kind of person do you think he was ingratiating himself with by writing that? There are all sorts of real issues out there, and yet he devotes his column to something as trivial and petty as this. And it's not just the pettiness, but the wanton nastiness and general bullying behaviour. He didn't attack an idea or an inanimate object, but picked on a tiny minority of real people. Women who are sisters, daughters, mothers, and wives. And all just to further himself.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:10 pm

Have you read the article, kenton? Johnson was opposed to banning the burka. He's the liberal in this farrago.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:12 pm

I am sure he still wants the Burka banned in banks etc

Mind you so do I

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:13 pm

AndrewJB wrote:... he devotes his column to something as trivial and petty as this.

It's not a petty issue. The idea that there is a group of women, even if it's only a small group, who are not allowed so much as to open the front door unless their husband, father or brother is beside them - that's not a petty issue.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:20 pm

AndrewJB wrote:In my opinion Corbyn would squash Johnson like a bug in any face to face debate.

I have seen some things, but this is up there with the funniest.

I am no huge Boris fan, I have never trusted him or his motives, but Corbyn couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding. Even the incredibly useless Theresa May makes him look ridiculous week after week at the PMQ's. I am afraid Boris would humiliate him.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:28 pm

burnleymik wrote:I have seen some things, but this is up there with the funniest.

I am no huge Boris fan, I have never trusted him or his motives, but Corbyn couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding. Even the incredibly useless Theresa May makes him look ridiculous week after week at the PMQ's. I am afraid Boris would humiliate him.

That may be so, but he'd humiliate the country at the same time as PM. He was embarrassing enough as a foreign secretary. Thank f*** he walked.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:29 pm

I'll bet Boris and the Tory Party are all sh!tting themselves about comments on this thread.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:34 pm

Hague....look him up as a budding politician when he was about 16.....true man of the people !

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:35 pm

dsr wrote:It's not a petty issue. The idea that there is a group of women, even if it's only a small group, who are not allowed so much as to open the front door unless their husband, father or brother is beside them - that's not a petty issue.

Come off it, mate. I've a lot of sympathy for those women who are clearly being held back by an archaic, anachronistic, conservative, patriarchal set of cultural and religious values, but the article Johnson wrote is nothing more than a dog-whistle on two accounts: the implied assumption of inherent criminality ("bank robbers") in muslims, and the dehumanising comparison to a letter box; racism for dummies lesson 1: turn the subject into an object. You can try to create context all you want, one which uses supposed liberal values to add a veneer of respectability to subtly racist worldview, but it doesn't change the fact that Johnson is pandering to the worst elements of our person.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:37 pm

That's him!
William Hague
Whatever happened to him?
Still propping up the bar no doubt

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:56 pm

burnleymik wrote:I have seen some things, but this is up there with the funniest.

I am no huge Boris fan, I have never trusted him or his motives, but Corbyn couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding. Even the incredibly useless Theresa May makes him look ridiculous week after week at the PMQ's. I am afraid Boris would humiliate him.

You're living in a Daily Mail bubble if you think May makes Corbyn look ridiculous at PMQs. Let the election come and we'll see. Corbyn is the reason the Labour Party ran on very popular policies in the last election, and ate into May's huge lead. It's why the establishment are crapping themselves at the thought of a Corbyn led government - their gravy train will come to an end. Most recent study shows that barely ten percent of print news about Corbyn relates his actual words (eighty percent twist them or missquote him). https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/je ... 44381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:57 pm

Keep the red flag flying, Andrew.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:57 pm

dsr wrote:Have you read the article, kenton? Johnson was opposed to banning the burka. He's the liberal in this farrago.

It's not the general tone / argument of the article that has caused the problem, (in fact few people have an issue with this being debated). It's the inappropriate terms he used to describe those who wear the burka that were clearly intended to cause controversy. If he hadn't put the "bank robber" and "letterbox" references into his article then most likely no one would have taken any notice of him, so he consciously added these references in the (correct) assumption that it would make the headlines.
It's his constant, self-serving, attention seeking antics that are the issue, especially when - as in this case, they are bullying of a minority and likely to result in an increase in hate crimes.
I don't think anyone has an issue with him debating what anyone can wear in a mature, statesmanlike fashion, but "mature" and "statesmanlike" are not terms that can be applied to Mr Johnson, and for this reason he is unlikely to be appointed to one of the high offices of state again.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:04 pm

dsr wrote:It's not a petty issue. The idea that there is a group of women, even if it's only a small group, who are not allowed so much as to open the front door unless their husband, father or brother is beside them - that's not a petty issue.

I agree that gender oppression isn't a petty issue, but Johnson wasn't talking about that. He wrote that he feels uncomfortable not being able to see someone's face during a conversation. Presumably he never makes phone calls, or had a traditional British wedding. In order to further his own political career - and court the vote of racist people - he picked on a tiny voiceless minority of women. That's what you call a 'strong leader'!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:15 pm

AndrewJB wrote:You're living in a Daily Mail bubble if you think May makes Corbyn look ridiculous at PMQs. Let the election come and we'll see. Corbyn is the reason the Labour Party ran on very popular policies in the last election, and ate into May's huge lead. It's why the establishment are crapping themselves at the thought of a Corbyn led government - their gravy train will come to an end. Most recent study shows that barely ten percent of print news about Corbyn relates his actual words (eighty percent twist them or missquote him). https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/je ... 44381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's not just the establishment who are crapping themselves at the thought of a Corbyn led government.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:26 pm

I do quite enjoy how the media and absolutely hammering this into the ground in an attempt to sink him. The Guardian have wrote about 100 articles, the Independent about 100 more, Sky News and Channel 4 have done everything they possibly can to keep the hot water temperature set. They are trying to destroy him over this but ironically the more they try to bury him for this particular issue the more sympathy he generates from the common man. I heard people talking about him on a building site I was working on today saying they like him and the media are just trying to silence him for saying what everyone else thinks, I NEVER hear people talk politics on site.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:41 pm

AndrewJB wrote:You're living in a Daily Mail bubble if you think May makes Corbyn look ridiculous at PMQs. Let the election come and we'll see. Corbyn is the reason the Labour Party ran on very popular policies in the last election, and ate into May's huge lead. It's why the establishment are crapping themselves at the thought of a Corbyn led government - their gravy train will come to an end. Most recent study shows that barely ten percent of print news about Corbyn relates his actual words (eighty percent twist them or missquote him). https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/je ... 44381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All politicians are mis-quoted, it's not specific to Corbyn, but the very fact you think it happens so much shows he is careless with his words. He is involved in problem after problem, worse than Boris!

As for PMQ's I have watched them numerous times and Corbyn makes it easy for someone as weak as May, he misses opportunity after opportunity to nail the Tories, but fails. He stands no chance against anyone competent.

I think, in my honest opinion, Corbyn will do well is the more affluent areas, but his core working class vote is going to be hit hard. The working classes just cannot relate to Labour anymore.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:43 pm

Damo wrote:It's not just the establishment who are crapping themselves at the thought of a Corbyn led government.

I imagine any sane taxpayer should be. Also, lets not forget people working in the defense industry, he would obliterate it.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:45 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I do quite enjoy how the media and absolutely hammering this into the ground in an attempt to sink him. The Guardian have wrote about 100 articles, the Independent about 100 more, Sky News and Channel 4 have done everything they possibly can to keep the hot water temperature set. They are trying to destroy him over this but ironically the more they try to bury him for this particular issue the more sympathy he generates from the common man. I heard people talking about him on a building site I was working on today saying they like him and the media are just trying to silence him for saying what everyone else thinks, I NEVER hear people talk politics on site.

I do and I'd say the majority where I work seem to think he's a useless ponce even though his racism appeals. Even they've seen through his act.

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:02 pm

How strange that Johnson is pilloried for voicing the opinion of large amounts of the population whilst there is hardly a mention of Corbyn honouring Muslim terrorists .

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:16 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:How strange that Johnson is pilloried for voicing the opinion of large amounts of the population .......

He's not being pilloried for this. He was perfectly entitled to raise the issue and express his opinion.
He's being correctly pilloried for using inappropriate language against a minority group in order to grab the headlines. He could have made exactly the same points without using terms that were deliberately intended to be provocative and divisive.

Lord Rothbury · Post by **Lord Rothbury** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:24 pm

How is it divisive when you speak whenyou speak for the majority ofthe population?

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:25 pm

burnleymik wrote:All politicians are mis-quoted, it's not specific to Corbyn, but the very fact you think it happens so much shows he is careless with his words. He is involved in problem after problem, worse than Boris!

As for PMQ's I have watched them numerous times and Corbyn makes it easy for someone as weak as May, he misses opportunity after opportunity to nail the Tories, but fails. He stands no chance against anyone competent.

I think, in my honest opinion, Corbyn will do well is the more affluent areas, but his core working class vote is going to be hit hard. The working classes just cannot relate to Labour anymore.

Read the academic study reported in my link. No politician in the UK is misrepresented, misquoted, and lied about as much as Corbyn - and as the researchers say in their report, doing this to the democratically elected leader of the opposition is bad for democracy. You've said he will reduce spending on the military - when in actual fact he's committed to increasing spending. How much else about him do you not actually know?

As for working classes not relating to Labour anymore, are you telling me they're enjoying Tory austerity? The Labour manifesto in the last election was very working class friendly. The Tory one - what there was of a manifesto - was friendly only to the rich. I think you're just repeating nonsense you read in the Daily Mail.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:31 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:How is it divisive when you speak whenyou speak for the majority ofthe population?

You obviously failed to either read, or can't understand my post.
It may well be that the majority of the population do indeed want to debate the burka. As I said - very clearly - it was his conscious choice to add the reference to "bank robbers" and "letterboxes" that got the headlines and was both inappropriate and unpleasant.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:36 pm

AndrewJB wrote:spending on the military -

I think you're just repeating nonsense you read in the Daily Mail.

Your obsession with the Daily Mail is quite funny and rather sad really.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93583 ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:50 pm

As is your inability to spell the word "defence" correctly.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:01 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:How strange that Johnson is pilloried for voicing the opinion of large amounts of the population whilst there is hardly a mention of Corbyn honouring Muslim terrorists .

Yeah. literally no one is talking about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ath-laying" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corby ... s-11471739" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... ef=uk-news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -natanyahu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How long before it turns out that the Daily Mail have yet again misrepresented the facts?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:03 pm

burnleymik wrote:Your obsession with the Daily Mail is quite funny and rather sad really.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93583 ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you go on the Corbyn facebook page it's all they obsess about.

Everyone not indoctrinated into their cult is either "tory ****" or a "Daily Mail reader"

The left are the biggest users of labels and pigeon-holing there is.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:11 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:You obviously failed to either read, or can't understand my post.
It may well be that the majority of the population do indeed want to debate the burka. As I said - very clearly - it was his conscious choice to add the reference to "bank robbers" and "letterboxes" that got the headlines and was both inappropriate and unpleasant.

It wasn't just his choice. It was Steve Bannon's choice as well.

Bannon has proved that the extreme right-wing will accept a hypocrite who will change his political opinions purely to gain when he helped get Trump "elected". We're talking about a demographic who will happily sell out their country's democracy to the likes of Russia if it means they get someone in power who will pander to their politics even if it's plainly obvious that they doesn't really believe in them. They're more that happy to allow a power-hungry politician have power if it means he'll do some things they like. It doesn't matter if he has to get help from hostile nations looking to destabilise our country either, as long as they get to stick it to Muslims and foreigners.

We're at a point where one wing of western politics it's OK for their chosen leader to obviously be power-hungry, even if that hunger for power is so strong that they are nakedly corrupt, possibly even treasonous, in gaining it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:17 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:If you go on the Corbyn facebook page it's all they obsess about.

Everyone not indoctrinated into their cult is either "tory ****" or a "Daily Mail reader"

The left are the biggest users of labels and pigeon-holing there is.

It make me laugh when someone who so obviously hates and is obsessed by liberals and lefties accuses someone else of being "obsessed" with something.

In fact. It's almost as if you and people like you obsess about accusing other people of being obsessive. You seem to post more replies criticising others of being obsessed by things than you do actually refuting the arguments or positions they're sharing.

As evidence i'd point you to just about any time i make a post about Trump. Instead of commenting on the substance of what i'm sharing sure as **** stinks someone such as yourself will be along before long to ignore the contents of my post and criticise me for even posting at all.

Why are you like this? Why can't you argue substance, instead of just trying to mock the poster for even being interested?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:19 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It make me laugh when someone who so obviously hates and is obsessed by liberals and lefties accuses someone else of being "obsessed" with something.

In fact. It's almost as if you and people like you obsess about accusing other people of being obsessive. You seem to post more replies criticising others of being obsessed by things than you do actually refuting the arguments or positions they're sharing.

As evidence i'd point you to just about any time i make a post about Trump. Instead of commenting on the substance of what i'm sharing sure as **** stinks someone such as yourself will be along before long to ignore the contents of my post and criticise me for even posting at all.

Why are you like this? Why can't you argue substance, instead of just trying to mock the poster for even being interested?

When I realised that the debate is futile.

Nobody really listens to each other.

And the left will paint you as [insert nazi/racist jibe here] no matter what opinions you hold.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:27 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:When I realised that the debate is futile.

Nobody really listens to each other.

And the left will paint you as [insert nazi/racist jibe here] no matter what opinions you hold.

So you're justified in repeatedly using labels to define those of us who think differently to you instead of having a substantive debate with them.

Thankfully you haven't done something blatantly hypocritical like criticise those of us who think differently to you of doing something you disapprove of despite admitting to being a repeat offender yourself. Because that would be embarrassing.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:30 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you're justified in repeatedly using labels to define those of us who think differently to you instead of having a substantive debate with them.

Thankfully you haven't done something blatantly hypocritical like criticise those of us who think differently to you of doing something you disapprove of despite admitting to being a repeat offender yourself. Because that would be embarrassing.

All I know is if I can unironically be called a Nazi, White Supremacist, racist, xenophobe, fascist, and an islamophobe (...ok, maybe that one is fair) without any shred of supporting evidence by people on here, then the chances of objective and respectful debate are non-existent.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It make me laugh when someone who so obviously hates and is obsessed by liberals and lefties accuses someone else of being "obsessed" with something.

In fact. It's almost as if you and people like you obsess about accusing other people of being obsessive. You seem to post more replies criticising others of being obsessed by things than you do actually refuting the arguments or positions they're sharing.

As evidence i'd point you to just about any time i make a post about Trump. Instead of commenting on the substance of what i'm sharing sure as **** stinks someone such as yourself will be along before long to ignore the contents of my post and criticise me for even posting at all.

Why are you like this? Why can't you argue substance, instead of just trying to mock the poster for even being interested?

I don't think your trump posts are a good example of when someone doesn't seem obsessed

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:38 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:All I know is if I can unironically be called a Nazi, White Supremacist, racist, xenophobe, fascist, and an islamophobe (...ok, maybe that one is fair) without any shred of supporting evidence by people on here, then the chances of objective and respectful debate are non-existent.

If you don't want to be painted with the same brush then stop standing so close to them.
When those of us defend the rights of black people to peacefully protest against a wannabe-tyrannical white nationalist who wants to use his position as president to violate their right to freedom of expression don't turn around and join in with the wannabe-tyrannical white nationalist.

It's extremely difficult to tell you apart from fascists. Maybe the problem isn't that we're using a blanket term to describe terrible people, maybe the problem is that when we cover them with that blanket you're standing by their side.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:39 pm

Damo wrote:I don't think your trump posts are a good example of when someone doesn't seem obsessed

They're a great example of when people like to ignore the substance and attack the poster.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:01 pm

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:33 pm

TVC15 wrote:How was he "liked" as London Mayor ?....he got lucky with the Olympics (which was also massively over budget) but other than that what did he do for London ?

The guy is an absolute idiot - at least Trump (who is also a buffoon) was a "successful" businessman (caveat that with bankruptcies and his inherited fortune !). What has Boris ever done other than rugby tackle a 10 year old in front of the world cameras ?!!

I can't stand Teresa May but whilst the likes of Gove, Johnson and Rees Mogg are about I don`t think she has anything to worry about.

British Politics in general seems at an all time low with the quality of our politicians - and that includes the Labour party and the anonymous Liberals.

First of all agree with your last comment, regarding the rest like everything else down to opinions, ahve lived in London the last 4 years only, do talk regularly to people who live there, majority I talk to don't like Kahn and many say he's worse than Boris, these are things I can write and why I question the post and believe it's fake news from someone who just dislikes him. Just sweeping statements with no substance.

KateR · Post by **KateR** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:40 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:that isn't proof as khan has only been in the job for 2 years.

the proof will come if he stands for re-election.

Surely it will only be proof if he is elected a third time? Not if he stands for a second term, if he stands for a sencond term it means nothing but if he is elected for a second term he is as "popular" as Boris, long wait so at this time when the original comment was made, it is proof Boris is more popular right now

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Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:41 pm

KateR wrote:First of all agree with your last comment, regarding the rest like everything else down to opinions, ahve lived in London the last 4 years only, do talk regularly to people who live there, majority I talk to don't like Kahn and many say he's worse than Boris, these are things I can write and why I question the post and believe it's fake news from someone who just dislikes him. Just sweeping statements with no substance.

Fake News is clearly and demonstrably untrue stuff like claiming Sandy Hook was a false flag operation with crisis actors, or that Hillary Clinton was running a paedophile ring from a pizza place. It’s not just “opinions I disagree with, or that don’t correlate to my narrow personal experience” (unless you’re Donald Trump).

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:51 pm

He is a smug faced pig ignorant upper class public school boy who hasn't grown up.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:53 pm

burnleymik wrote:Your obsession with the Daily Mail is quite funny and rather sad really.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93583 ... government" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Read the Labour manifesto rather than getting your misinformation from Tory rags. Like I said no other politician in the U.K. is lied about as much.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:14 pm

KateR wrote:Surely it will only be proof if he is elected a third time? Not if he stands for a second term, if he stands for a sencond term it means nothing but if he is elected for a second term he is as "popular" as Boris, long wait so at this time when the original comment was made, it is proof Boris is more popular right now
y

Surely being popular isn't particularly important?
Better that you are effective at doing the job. Anyone can promote themselves - reality tv teaches us this.
The role of Foreign Secretary or PM, requires a serious politician who can be trusted, not a self-promoting celebrity buffoon.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:17 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Surely being popular isn't particularly important?
Better that you are effective at doing the job. Anyone can promote themselves - reality tv teaches us this.
The role of Foreign Secretary or PM, requires a serious politician who can be trusted, not a self-promoting celebrity buffoon.

The problem is that getting elected isn't a competency test, it's a popularity test. Without a responsible press to inform us, or rules against lying in a campaign, it will always be a **** show every election.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:29 pm

ClaretMoffit

In post 69 you state that you overheard the comment that I had alluded to in post 53.

It is the people working on the building site and the ordinary man in the street that form the gallery that Boris Johnson is playing to. Probably many of them voted to leave the EU.

I could post some outrageous remarks on this message board that would offend some but find a sympathetic ear with others. But that wouldn't mean that I am right.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:They're a great example of when people like to ignore the substance and attack the poster.

Providing of course that any substance is actually deemed to exist.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:34 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Providing of course that any substance is actually deemed to exist.

Can't believe turtle posted that.. Haha. My irony meter just exploded.