More mature people.

[Jakubclaret]

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I'm concerned some older people could become alienated from some sections of society.

[CombatClaret]

Do with need another Brexit related thread linking to an article from 2016?
Can this be merged with one of the 100 others?

[Devils_Advocate]

Do you mean in the same way some Polish people have become alienated from the duck loving people of East Lanc?

[Jakubclaret]

Sorry if it's deemed more appropriate to merge no unnecessary offence intended.

[Wile E Coyote]

yes, worked longer, brought up families, paid more tax, more life experience, yet portrayed as demons for using their votes.
Meanwhile the hideous loudmouths who moan about how it will hinder "young people" conveniently forget this lot couldnt even be bothered to get off their lazy arses to vote. boll**** to em i say

[Jakubclaret]

I feel bad even starting the thread, I used to do volunteer work for age concern so still talk to old people time to time, I just felt with what's going on it should be discussed ideally on a broader stage, I'll try to delete the post if I can.

[spadesclaret]

Why would you want to delete it? It's fine. You started it for the right reasons.

[tim_noone]

Do you mean in the same way some Polish people have become alienated from the duck loving people of East Lanc?

If the polish people don't like the east lancashire people having a crispy duck takeaway now and again I can't see that being a problem tbh

[ontario claret]

Is that polish people, or Polish people? If it's the former, I don't get your rub.

[Wisswosswass]

I'm a French Polisher by trade. I feel alienated.

[Hipper]

I hadn't seen the stats in the OP's linked article before.

Here's a similar set on the 2017 General Election:

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/ho ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[South West Claret.]

https://ageukblog.org.uk/2016/06/27/it- ... um-result/
I'm concerned some older people could become alienated from some sections of society.

Well all I can say is prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.

[Jakubclaret]

Well all I can say is prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.

I was referring to present time.

[RingoMcCartney]

yes, worked longer, brought up families, paid more tax, more life experience, yet portrayed as demons for using their votes.
Meanwhile the hideous loudmouths who moan about how it will hinder "young people" conveniently forget this lot couldnt even be bothered to get off their lazy arses to vote. boll**** to em i say

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Good effort.

The ridiculous idea that because , after 2 years following the Vote, those that were 16 then, are now 18 but didn't get a vote! So we should now have a rerun! Means we would be in a perpetual state of Neverendums as there'll always be 16 year olds......

[CombatClaret]

And I guess the young don't feel alienated at all?

- Born EU citizens with the right to study, live, love anywhere in Europe, taken away.
- The commercialization of education leading to starting life with huge debts
- The first generation to be poorer in real terms than the one before
- Inheritance the largest factor in someones wealth since Edwardian times
- Owning a home a near impossible dream unless propped up by the wealth of your parents.
- Ever increasing amounts of tax going to healthcare for the growing aged population whilst money for things they use schools, services, communities, roads cut.
- Large numbers of young people expecting to work until death.

Sounds rosy!

[RingoMcCartney]

And I guess the young don't feel alienated at all?

- Born EU citizens with the right to study, live, love anywhere in Europe, taken away.
- The commercialization of education leading to starting life with huge debts
- The first generation to be poorer in real terms than the one before
- Inheritance the largest factor in someones wealth since Edwardian times
- Owning a home a near impossible dream unless propped up by the wealth of your parents.
- Ever increasing amounts of tax going to healthcare for the growing aged population whilst money for things they use schools, services, communities, roads cut.
- Large numbers of young people expecting to work until death.

Sounds rosy!

And all of the above , while we've been members of the European Union.

No wonder their wiser elders voted for their futures and got us out eh!?

[Jakubclaret]

And I guess the young don't feel alienated at all?

- Born EU citizens with the right to study, live, love anywhere in Europe, taken away.
- The commercialization of education leading to starting life with huge debts
- The first generation to be poorer in real terms than the one before
- Inheritance the largest factor in someones wealth since Edwardian times
- Owning a home a near impossible dream unless propped up by the wealth of your parents.
- Ever increasing amounts of tax going to healthcare for the growing aged population whilst money for things they use schools, services, communities, roads cut.
- Large numbers of young people expecting to work until death.

Sounds rosy!

Nobody put a gun to they heads & stopped them from voting, the post is meant to be about old people being alienated.

[CombatClaret]

And all of the above , while we've been members of the European Union.
No wonder their wiser elders voted for their futures and got us out eh!?

Correlation = Causation

At least now we can get rid off all those pesky EU laws which stopped us from dealing with the above.

[TheFamilyCat]

And all of the above , while we've been members of the European Union.

No wonder their wiser elders voted for their futures and got us out eh!?

I don't see where he blamed any of those things on the EU and only the first is a result of the referendum.

[CombatClaret]

old people being alienated.

Sorry but that's life, it's to be expected. It's a sign of societies inevitable march forward, I fully expect not to get what the young people are on about.
I won't understand whatever the 2063 equivalent of snapchat or reddit is and there will be 30 more types of sexuality.

We live in times of unprecedented change, in the past the world could look the same the day you were born and the day you died. Gone are those times.
I'm not saying ignore, or marginalise the old but if there's a feeling the world has passed you by and you're out of touch with it, that's because you probably are and it has. Tough truths, time waits for no man.

[Imploding Turtle]

Correlation ...

I feel like this is where you lost him.

[South West Claret.]

I was referring to present time.

It was tongue in cheek JC hence the

[Jakubclaret]

Sorry but that's life, it's to be expected. It's a sign of societies inevitable march forward, I fully expect not to get what the young people are on about.
I won't understand whatever the 2063 equivalent of snapchat or reddit is and there will be 30 more types of sexuality.

We live in times of unprecedented change, in the past the world could look the same the day you were born and the day you died. Gone are those times.
I'm not saying ignore, or marginalise the old but if there's a feeling the world has passed you by and you're out of touch with it, that's because you probably are and it has. Tough truths, time waits for no man.

That's all good & well & by that same token, it's a simple case of post 2016 old people feeling alienated without exploring a myriad of other factors, some old people still have they marbles intact as another poster eloquently implied differently. In my view the old people are more with it than the younger people I'm actually suggesting it's warped.

[RingoMcCartney]

Correlation = Causation

At least now we can get rid off all those pesky EU laws which stopped us from dealing with the above.

Fair enough. You could go down the correlation / causation argument. But that would simply result in yet another rerun of the pre referendum debate. Can't be arsed....

But inarguably all that was mentioned in the list of grievances have happened while in the EU.

[Jakubclaret]

It was tongue in cheek JC hence the

It was a opaque sarcastic reverse

[Greenmile]

Fair enough. You could go down the correlation / causation argument. But that would simply result in yet another rerun of the pre referendum debate. Can't be arsed....

But inarguably all that was mentioned in the list of grievances have happened while in the EU.

They also happened whilst you were breathing oxygen. Perhaps you should try giving that up to see if it helps resolve the issues.

[RingoMcCartney]

They also happened whilst you were breathing oxygen. Perhaps you should try giving that up to see if it helps resolve the issues.

Why should I ? If it means, simultaneously, I potentially deprive you of fresh air ! It's a win win for society and the greater good!

What's not to like!?

[Greenmile]

Why should I ? If it means, simultaneously, I potentially deprive you of fresh air ! It's a win win for society and the greater good!

What's not to like!?

You don’t know what “correlation” and “causation” mean, do you?

[RingoMcCartney]

You don’t know what “correlation” and “causation” mean, do you?

I could lower the amount of time I spend responding to idiots by not coming on this message board at all. As I know the difference, I could simply block posters like your good self.....

[Devils_Advocate]

or you could claim the reason for spending all the time you do responding to idiots on here is because of the existence of the internet

[Greenmile]

or you could claim the reason for spending all the time you do responding to idiots on here is because of the existence of the internet

He probably blames the EU.

[Devils_Advocate]

He probably blames the EU.

Giving him a couple of hours and he'll be to p*ssed to know what day it is

[RingoMcCartney]

or you could claim the reason for spending all the time you do responding to idiots on here is because of the existence of the internet

It keeps me away from the off licence.

( I'll save you the myther of posting the inevitable mono "joke")

[RingoMcCartney]

Giving him a couple of hours and he'll be to p*ssed to know what day it is

Whoops beat me to it by a minute!

[Devils_Advocate]

Whoops beat me to it by a minute!

Yep if only you'd not had to stagger to the kitchen to grab another can of Special Brew you might have beaten me to it

[Imploding Turtle]

It keeps me away from the off licence.

( I'll save you the myther of posting the inevitable mono "joke")

Did you seriously just mock someone for using the same joke over and over?

[Damo]

Are young people really going to be stopped from studying, living and loving anywhere in europe, or are some of you being massive drama queens again?

[Jakubclaret]

To reinforce post 23, see above. It’d be unlikely that’d you’d find a pair of old blokes countering like this

[RingoMcCartney]

Yep if only you'd not had to stagger to the kitchen to grab another can of Special Brew you might have beaten me to it

Lol! Brilliant !! Just brilliant!! Don't know where you keep getting it all from!

Keep it coming you royster doyster You!

Really is a comedy masterclass!

Any chance of you uploading another picture of some body drunk!?

Go on. It'll make my day before I collapse!

[Imploding Turtle]

Are young people really going to be stopped from studying, living and loving anywhere in europe, or are some of you being massive drama queens again?

So leaving the EU will affect immigration from the EU, but leaving the EU won't affect emigration to the EU. Is that what you people are arguing now?

Make up your minds.

[RingoMcCartney]

Are young people really going to be stopped from studying, living and loving anywhere in europe, or are some of you being massive drama queens again?

My son in law is studying economics at Warwick. He's in his 3rd year but just started it at Queens university in Kingston Canada.

Last time I looked , Canada isn't in the EU.....

[Damo]

So leaving the EU will affect immigration from the EU, but leaving the EU won't affect emigration to the EU. Is that what you people are arguing now?

Make up your minds.

So nobody will be able to emigrate to the UK after Brexit?
Is that what you are saying or are you implying I did?

[RingoMcCartney]

Yep if only you'd not had to stagger to the kitchen to grab another can of Special Brew you might have beaten me to it

Go on mono joke man! Post another picture of a random drunk!

Me and the Mrs are going out in the car shortly before the game starts.

I'm having to drive cos I can hardly be expected to walk in this state!

Go on just for little old wine drinker me!

I'll even mention Jean Claude Drunker! That usually works!

[Imploding Turtle]

So nobody will be able to emigrate to the UK after Brexit?
Is that what you are saying or are you implying I did?

I think what i said is pretty clear. Your argument, and yes i'm generalising the Leave argument, is that leaving the EU will affect people coming here, but won't affect people going there. Obviously that's a stupid argument, yet here you are arguing that people here wanting to live,work, love there won't be affected.

[Imploding Turtle]

Go on mono joke man! Post another picture of a random drunk!

Me and the Mrs are going out in the car shortly before the game starts.

I'm having to drive cos I can hardly be expected to walk in this state!

Go on just for little old wine drinker me!

I'll even mention Jean Claude Drunker! That usually works!

He did it again. He criticised someone for having the same joke all the time.

If this guy was a sitcom character he'd be written out as too absurd to believe.

[Damo]

I think what i said is pretty clear. Your argument, and yes i'm generalising the Leave argument, is that leaving the EU will affect people coming here, but won't affect people going there. Obviously that's a stupid argument, yet here you are arguing that people here wanting to live,work, love there won't be affected.

So you were just being silly because you didnt want to answer my question.
Typical charlie

[RingoMcCartney]

So nobody will be able to emigrate to the UK after Brexit?
Is that what you are saying or are you implying I did?

The Galapagos islands are home to giant turtles.

Could we start a forced repatriation programme as part of a hostile environment policy towards 1st generation idiots.

[TVC15]

It was a opaque sarcastic reverse

To quote the distinguished raconteur Mr P. Calf I think you have set up a false opposition

[Imploding Turtle]

So you were just being silly because you didnt want to answer my question.
Typical charlie

You just replied to my answer, you daft ****.

[RingoMcCartney]

To quote the distinguished raconteur Mr P. Calf I think you have set up a false opposition

"I'm Pauline Calf, I'm 25 and I'm gagging for it. No I'm only joking. I'm 26"........