More mature people.

[Hipper]

Another thread which could have been interesting has just crashed with the usual suspects.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think its a shame when any demographic feels alienated from society to be honest.

But I have to ask, haven't the older generation always struggled with change?

The technological change at the moment leaves me struggling to catch up, and I'm only 45.

[Damo]

I don't think it's anything to do with smart phones.
More to do with spoilt millenials telling them to hurry up and die

[CombatClaret]

I don't think it's anything to do with smart phones.
More to do with spoilt millenials telling them to hurry up and die

It's the last viable economic route to home ownership.

[Top Claret]

Looking at the Burnley support today and at home games I beginning to think that the young people are being ailinated.

Why are our supporters so bloody old, the average age must be 70. I sit in the Bob Lord and am surrounded by bloody geatrics who look like they are struggling to breath. Once there arses hit the seat the owd bastards can't move and won't until full time, the place stinks of ****

[Jakubclaret]

I think its a shame when any demographic feels alienated from society to be honest.

But I have to ask, haven't the older generation always struggled with change?

The technological change at the moment leaves me struggling to catch up, and I'm only 45.

Old people are more adaptable than they get credit for, in addition with a support network & socialistion strategy can contribute in lots of way to society.

[Greenmile]

Old people are more adaptable than they get credit for, in addition with a support network & socialistion strategy can contribute in lots of way to society.

Even the Polish ones?

[Jakubclaret]

Even the Polish ones?

Yes even the old ducks.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

And I guess the young don't feel alienated at all?

- Born EU citizens with the right to study, live, love anywhere in Europe, taken away.
- The commercialization of education leading to starting life with huge debts
- The first generation to be poorer in real terms than the one before
- Inheritance the largest factor in someones wealth since Edwardian times
- Owning a home a near impossible dream unless propped up by the wealth of your parents.
- Ever increasing amounts of tax going to healthcare for the growing aged population whilst money for things they use schools, services, communities, roads cut.
- Large numbers of young people expecting to work until death.

Sounds rosy!

1- they can still do all of that in the EU, just a bit more paperwork involved.
2- the Americans start saving from when a child born pretty much to send their kids to college, it doesn't appear to be seen as a right.
3-it was going to happen at some point.
4- I find it easier to have nothing to give my kids when I die, but there are loopholes in everything.
5- that isn't the fault of Brexit, it's successive governments of both parties failing to tackle the housing issue in terms of cost and availability.
6- yet people complain when the retirement age is raised.
7- see above, if a population is ageing then why should retirement age stay low?

[Garnerssoap]

Can I borrow a tenner dad

[JohnMcGreal]

yes, worked longer, brought up families, paid more tax, more life experience, yet portrayed as demons for using their votes.
Meanwhile the hideous loudmouths who moan about how it will hinder "young people" conveniently forget this lot couldnt even be bothered to get off their lazy arses to vote. boll**** to em i say

Translation:

"We're going to vote to remove the things you like, unless you turn out in big enough numbers to stop us."

[ontario claret]

If Brexit goes through, does this mean that I, as a sixth generation removed from England, would have my rights restored to return? Actually, I would settle for going ahead of the Roma in the queue.

[Jakubclaret]

Translation:

"We're going to vote to remove the things you like, unless you turn out in big enough numbers to stop us."

That meant to me the guy was right. It's noticeable he got plenty of likes & another 1 forthcoming.

[JohnMcGreal]

That meant to me the guy was right. It's noticeable he got plenty of likes & another 1 forthcoming.

You have every right to vote to make things worse for future generations. Nobody is saying you're not free to do that. Just don't act surprised when those people despise you for it.

[Jakubclaret]

You have every right to vote to make things worse for future generations. Nobody is saying you're not free to do that. Just don't act surprised when those people despise you for it.

Despise is admittance, that’s all I wanted the thread to achieve a adult debate, nobody in denial. I appreciate the honesty sincerely without taking the P***.

[dsr]

And I guess the young don't feel alienated at all?

- Born EU citizens with the right to study, live, love anywhere in Europe, taken away.
- The commercialization of education leading to starting life with huge debts
- The first generation to be poorer in real terms than the one before
- Inheritance the largest factor in someones wealth since Edwardian times
- Owning a home a near impossible dream unless propped up by the wealth of your parents.
- Ever increasing amounts of tax going to healthcare for the growing aged population whilst money for things they use schools, services, communities, roads cut.
- Large numbers of young people expecting to work until death.

Sounds rosy!

I don't think young people are alienated because they think old people shouldn't be given proper healthcare. Maybe they all do feel that way but realise that it would be a vile thing to say; but I doubt it. They genuinely don't think that way.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think everybody (with a few exceptions of course) genuinely wants what is best for the country, but just have differing ways of going about it.

What I do know though I've not seen a more obvious generational divide on anything till Brexit, and that is going to be a hell of a challenge to sort moving forward.

[Jakubclaret]

I think everybody (with a few exceptions of course) genuinely wants what is best for the country, but just have differing ways of going about it.

What I do know though I've not seen a more obvious generational divide on anything till Brexit, and that is going to be a hell of a challenge to sort moving forward.

The issue I think needs more exposure on a broader stage, it’d make excellent television viewing to get together both groups to have a honest debate with each other to overcome this generational divide & the mutual refusal to accept what is best for the country, maybe there has already been some sort of programme & I’ve missed it. Alienation has been happening & still is.

[Hipper]

I get the impression it was always there and is nothing new. Whether there are stats to show this I don't know. I'm not talking just in voting but generally. And of course as has been mentioned there are divides in other relations - race, religion, rich/poor etc..

There was an interview on BBC News yesterday with a couple of people talking on this subject in relation to property costs, both renting and buying (they talked about the south of England of course). Again though, has it ever been easy for young people to get on the housing ladder, or is there now a sense of entitlement to be able to do so?

[houseboy]

yes, worked longer, brought up families, paid more tax, more life experience, yet portrayed as demons for using their votes.
Meanwhile the hideous loudmouths who moan about how it will hinder "young people" conveniently forget this lot couldnt even be bothered to get off their lazy arses to vote. boll**** to em i say

Top post mate. Post of the week for me. Says it all. Get sick to death of all the 'what about the young people' rubbish. They've got the rest of their lives to get things right, I'm still trying to sort mine out at 64.

[Blackrod]

'More mature people ' have experienced more political climates and parties and their effect on society and the economy . Some will have experience of the EEC vote and so on. They have more experience to draw from to make their vote. As for ageism other cultures and particularly Asian treat their elders with far more respect. The young western culture is very much me me me and I think social media has a lot to do with this. Most advertising caters for up to 30 or funeral plans. There's not a lot in between because most of these people don't buy stuff they don't need. This is a form of ageism and it's as though people in between don't matter or exist sometimes.

[vinrogue]

Sometimes you have to think outside the box, I am now officially in favour of raising the age of voting to 31 and only then if your Tax record proves you have actually contributed anything to the growth of the country, are able to pass a general knowledge test designed to weed out idiots and finally know what sex you are. Not sure what I shall call my new Party yet but I will work on it

[Lancasterclaret]

A sort of reverse voting Logans Run?

[If it be your will]

.

[houseboy]

Sorry but that's life, it's to be expected. It's a sign of societies inevitable march forward, I fully expect not to get what the young people are on about.
I won't understand whatever the 2063 equivalent of snapchat or reddit is and there will be 30 more types of sexuality.

We live in times of unprecedented change, in the past the world could look the same the day you were born and the day you died. Gone are those times.
I'm not saying ignore, or marginalise the old but if there's a feeling the world has passed you by and you're out of touch with it, that's because you probably are and it has. Tough truths, time waits for no man.

I presume that means that it's okay to fight back then?

[houseboy]

Another thread which could have been interesting has just crashed with the usual suspects.

I was just thinking the same - it started off well enough but descended into an insult fest. Must be a slow day.

[Chip Harrison]

Looking at the Burnley support today and at home games I beginning to think that the young people are being ailinated.

Why are our supporters so bloody old, the average age must be 70. I sit in the Bob Lord and am surrounded by bloody geatrics who look like they are struggling to breath. Once there arses hit the seat the owd bastards can't move and won't until full time, the place stinks of ****

Your post looks the exact opposite to me. Total alienation and disrespect to our older supporters.

[Blackrod]

Looking at the Burnley support today and at home games I beginning to think that the young people are being ailinated.

Why are our supporters so bloody old, the average age must be 70. I sit in the Bob Lord and am surrounded by bloody geatrics who look like they are struggling to breath. Once there arses hit the seat the owd bastards can't move and won't until full time, the place stinks of ****

There are notably less older supporters in the JH stand. The atmosphere is worse for it imo although the support does seem quite diverse now. I think they've been put off by the removal of cash turnstiles, the cost and probably idiotic comments like this.

[dsr]

They might also be put off the JH stand by the steep steps with no handrails. They're absolutely unsuitable if you're a bit doddery, and they're not good if you're just a bit stiff or have a gammy knee.

[ClaretCliff]

Sometimes you have to think outside the box, I am now officially in favour of raising the age of voting to 31 and only then if your Tax record proves you have actually contributed anything to the growth of the country, are able to pass a general knowledge test designed to weed out idiots and finally know what sex you are. Not sure what I shall call my new Party yet but I will work on it

Well you've got my vote for starters !

[claretonthecoast1882]

It is a hard task to convince me that people who vote on x factor and big brother should be allowed to vote on decisions that affect a country rather than people who have spent a decade or 2 earning a living in the country.

[Falcon]

Some proper ageist comments on here, directed both ways.

I'm assuming the thread title is ironic...

[Jakubclaret]

Some proper ageist comments on here, directed both ways.

I'm assuming the thread title is ironic...

True, it's good to have it out in the open & not bottle it up, some very valid points have been raised. It's helps when honestly & true feelings emerge then you can determine the extent of the issue & ways to reduce the effects.

[ontario claret]

Personally, I would vote for anybody who rescinded the right of females to vote.

[Chobulous]

Personally, I would vote for anybody who rescinded the right of females to drive.

Fixed that for you

[ontario claret]

OK. Either/or is fine with me.

[Spijed]

One thing that many older people don't have a good grasp of is the understanding of mental illness. They seem to have the view that back in their day they just got on with things and learnt to live with various situations. Unfortunately, for those who have suffered from illnesses such as depression I doubt it's that easy to deal with.