Tusk wants us to take the Canada deal

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:58 pm

I don't want to worry any of you, but if you try to debate Brexit on twitter with complete strangers then the answers that O'Brien gets are unfortunately standard.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:09 pm

claretandy wrote:A bit like his hero James O'Brexit, who blocks everyone on Twitter who disagrees with him about brexit, so that his Twitter feed looks like an echo chamber where everyone agrees with him.

The "progressive" liberal left claim to be tolerant.

However they only "tolerate" opinions they approve of.

That is the exact opposite of tolerance.

As for LBCs resident dweller of the metropolitan London borough of ivory towers. Occasionally briefly tune in around the hour. I listen for a moment as he's about to launch one of his grinding pontificating monologues to remind myself of just how bitter the socialist with starf has become. I then promptly switch to another channel and welcome back the real world with open arms.

JAMES OBRIAN - THE POSTER BOY FOR BETA MALES.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:10 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Do you apply that rational to all things in life or just things relating to Brexit?

I mean if a doctor for instance was on tv saying people should exercise more would you be sat there thinking, I bet he’s got shares in a gym chain.

I've had time now to reflect & it actually makes more sense than it did before. Answering the question I've come across lots of intelligent people in my life but some do get bamboozled at the easier of things, eg knowing it's forecast heavy rain & knowing this beforehand but still trekking out without any goretex/waterproof clothing.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:12 pm

burnleymik wrote:

I questioned whether the LBC tweets were actually written by O'Brien himself because of the self-aggrandising nature and tagged O'Brien in the tweet. As a result he actually blocked me. He really is a bigot who cannot tolerate opposing opinions.

I didn't realise you knew him personally

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:14 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I didn't realise you knew him personally

Do you know how twitter works?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:25 pm

Big news.

Reuters are reporting this afternoon from Brussels that a Brexit deal is "very close".

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1MF0K9

It sounds like it is going to be the deal I suggested this morning on this thread - a Canada+++ deal but with the Irish backstop being a UK wide customs union that is indefinite (i.e. if we don't solve the border checks issue, we stay in the Customs Union for ever).

May has given way on the "for ever" bit, the EU has given way on the "UK wide" bit. The regulatory elements will only apply to N Ireland.

It will get through the Commons of course, May has cleverly put them in a position where they fear a no deal otherwise. The hard sell will be to the Brexiteers because if the backstop kicks in, we cannot make separate trade deals. There would have to be an assurance that it never would. I find that to be the bit where it may yet fall down.

Essentially, she is staying close to the EU on trade, sacrificing the rest of the world potentially, and scrapping free movement, and hoping that gets enough of the country on her side. For me, if I were an MP, that would be enough for me to vote for it on balance, but then would need to sack her the day after so a successor could ensure the backstop never comes into play and we can do new trade deals while still trading with the EU.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:25 pm

burnleymik wrote:Do you know how twitter works?

Quality!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:26 pm

That was going so well until the end

"so a successor could ensure the backstop never comes into play and we can do new trade deals while still trading with the EU."

How can you ensure the back stop never comes into play?

But yeah, that sounds a lot better than a "No Deal" but of course, a lot worse than what we have now.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:29 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Big news.

Reuters are reporting this afternoon from Brussels that a Brexit deal is "very close".

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1MF0K9

It sounds like it is going to be the deal I suggested this morning on this thread - a Canada+++ deal but with the Irish backstop being a UK wide customs union that is indefinite (i.e. if we don't solve the border checks issue, we stay in the Customs Union for ever).

May has given way on the "for ever" bit, the EU has given way on the "UK wide" bit. The regulatory elements will only apply to N Ireland.

It will get through the Commons of course, May has cleverly put them in a position where they fear a no deal otherwise. The hard sell will be to the Brexiteers because if the backstop kicks in, we cannot make separate trade deals. There would have to be an assurance that it never would. I find that to be the bit where it may yet fall down.

Essentially, she is staying close to the EU on trade, sacrificing the rest of the world potentially, and scrapping free movement, and hoping that gets enough of the country on her side. For me, if I were an MP, that would be enough for me to vote for it on balance, but then would need to sack her the day after so a successor could ensure the backstop never comes into play and we can do new trade deals while still trading with the EU.

Question is, will the likes of JRM or Boris keep quiet on this one, or start to position themselves for the day she gets kicked out of office?

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:That was going so well until the end

"so a successor could ensure the backstop never comes into play and we can do new trade deals while still trading with the EU."

How can you ensure the back stop never comes into play?

But yeah, that sounds a lot better than a "No Deal" but of course, a lot worse than what we have now.

That's the hard bit Lancs. The backstop is the thing that will appeal to Remainers, not as much as staying in obviously. The never coming into play bit is about if we can put technology in that would allow us to have our cake and eat it, without no deal being a downside anymore. If we can, that gives us the Brexit I want which is to use our flexibility to remove tariffs on things we do not make (e.g. olive oil) and use them on things we do make (e.g. beef). I'm talking about dealing outside the EU of course, we will have zero tariffs on olive oil and beef with the EU under Canada+++ which we should rename UK+++.

(I am sceptical the EU would ever agree to the technology because it suits them if we are tied to their tariffs and quotas, but I'm happy to take that risk, in the spirit of compromise).

Spijed - that's the fight I am predicting, the assurances given about the backstop. That's what Boris claims No 10 lied to him about in December when they agreed the withdrawal paperwork. It's the big unknown I still foresee, and I can see why there is a lack of trust, hence Gove's plan (staying in Cabinet so he can take over as PM and iron out the details himself).

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:34 pm

it gives us the time to try to sort out the Irish border which is the breaker for me.

Need to see a bit more flesh but if its what you say it is, then that's reluctant support from me.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:36 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:it gives us the time to try to sort out the Irish border which is the breaker for me.

Need to see a bit more flesh but if its what you say it is, then that's reluctant support from me.

There's all the time in the world if Reuters are correct - unlimited. Don't sort it, we all stay in a CU.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:36 pm

Yeah

I think (as usual!) that is where the issues will be.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:47 pm

burnleymik wrote:Do you know how twitter works?

Yes but every time someone on here has a go at Farage and calls him things like a bigot you say unless they know him personally how can they know what he is like and accuse him of those things.

The fact you are obviously not a hypocrite i naturally assumed that you must know O'Brien personally to make such remarks about him

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:56 pm

he's had your pants down there, mik.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:00 pm

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burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes but every time someone on here has a go at Farage and calls him things like a bigot you say unless they know him personally how can they know what he is like and accuse him of those things.

The fact you are obviously not a hypocrite i naturally assumed that you must know O'Brien personally to make such remarks about him

So you don't know how twitter works or understand what a bigot is?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:25 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Big news.

Reuters are reporting this afternoon from Brussels that a Brexit deal is "very close".

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKCN1MF0K9

It sounds like it is going to be the deal I suggested this morning on this thread - a Canada+++ deal but with the Irish backstop being a UK wide customs union that is indefinite (i.e. if we don't solve the border checks issue, we stay in the Customs Union for ever).

This sounds like quite a substantial about turn. It's moved the no-deal scenario from crashing out with nothing in place to things remaining substantially the same as they are now.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:39 pm

burnleymik wrote:So you don't know how twitter works or understand what a bigot is?

Yes thanks but neither of those was what I was interested in. I just commented because I was just surprised you know O'Brien personally.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:10 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Yes thanks but neither of those was what I was interested in. I just commented because I was just surprised you know O'Brien personally.

You need to know someone personally to know they are a bigot? His very job confirms this... Surely you would know that? Or were you just jumping in to troll again, but failed....again?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:12 pm

Wait

You are claiming James O'Brien is a bigot?

Why do you think that?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:14 pm

He obviously knows him personally and therefore he can fairly make that judgement on his character

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:23 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Wait

You are claiming James O'Brien is a bigot?

Why do you think that?

He's not known as O'Bigot for nothing.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:25 pm

Who by?

Brexiteers who don't like it when he goes "BREXIT MEANS BREXIT" actually doesn't mean anything?

If Brexiteers want to ring him up and contradict themselves in two minutes flat, what is he supposed to do? Not mention it? ignore it?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:27 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Wait

You are claiming James O'Brien is a bigot?

Why do you think that?

Have you heard the condescending way in which he speaks to people who disagree with him? How he belittles and ridicules them? I have heard it on his show many times. Calling all Brexit supporters Brextremists.

He is quite literally the definition of a bigot.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:28 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:He obviously knows him personally and therefore he can fairly make that judgement on his character

Time to get back under the bridge troll. You failed the first time, give it up.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:35 pm

burnleymik wrote:Time to get back under the bridge troll. You failed the first time, give it up.

You have defended peoples criticism of Farage on here in the past using the defence that people don't know him personally. I just think it is therefore a tad hypocritical of you to similarly criticise someone you don't know personally.

You obviously don't like my views and opinion on things so you just carry on with your condescending dismissive comments to me that I'm a troll. I'm sure there's a word for people who don't like to tolerate other peoples opinions and instead are just condescending to them but I cant think what it is

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:35 pm

Dunno about that Mik

I think the problem you have is that he gives Brexiteers just enough rope to hang themselves with, before cutting them off at the knees.

Todays show was a case in point, only one Brexiteer came across well, because he stuck to his points (not correct, but he stuck to them and made a fairly good argument for them) so the conversation went on pretty well because O'Brien wants a debate.

All the other ones were hopeless and just kept repeating stuff that isn't correct, and one thing you have to admire O'Brien for is that he is quite open about what levels of unicorn based thinking he will allow (ie none)

Ringo always moaned about never getting through. I think its a very good job he didn't or he'd have been taken apart.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno about that Mik

I think the problem you have is that he gives Brexiteers just enough rope to hang themselves with, before cutting them off at the knees.

Todays show was a case in point, only one Brexiteer came across well, because he stuck to his points (not correct, but he stuck to them and made a fairly good argument for them) so the conversation went on pretty well because O'Brien wants a debate.

All the other ones were hopeless and just kept repeating stuff that isn't correct, and one thing you have to admire O'Brien for is that he is quite open about what levels of unicorn based thinking he will allow (ie none)

Ringo always moaned about never getting through. I think its a very good job he didn't or he'd have been taken apart.

calling people Gammon everyday, or thick, racist, isn't going to win people over.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:58 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:You have defended peoples criticism of Farage on here in the past using the defence that people don't know him personally. I just think it is therefore a tad hypocritical of you to similarly criticise someone you don't know personally.

You obviously don't like my views and opinion on things so you just carry on with your condescending dismissive comments to me that I'm a troll. I'm sure there's a word for people who don't like to tolerate other peoples opinions and instead are just condescending to them but I cant think what it is

To be fair you normally hop in, make some useless troll attempts then bail out again.

There is a difference in inferring someone is a racist based upon 2nd hand evidence and claiming someone is a bigot having listened to them speaking live on the radio everyday.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:00 pm

Again, I think you are exaggerating how often he uses the term "Gammon", "thick", "racist" - I don't think I've heard him use the phrase racist in relation to Brexit, but definitely to those screaming for "stop and search"

Its good radio, but today was a bit too much Brexit.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno about that Mik

I think the problem you have is that he gives Brexiteers just enough rope to hang themselves with, before cutting them off at the knees.

He clearly picks the low hanging fruit.

He goes off on long tirades, which include insults to Brexit voters, quite often and not in response to any calls he has taken. He just seems to detest anyone who voted leave and makes his feelings about it more than clear. I have yet to hear him have a sensible debate with a Brexit voter, that said I don't listen as much anymore, usually flick over to talk radio once Ferrari has finished.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:08 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:You have defended peoples criticism of Farage on here in the past using the defence that people don't know him personally. I just think it is therefore a tad hypocritical of you to similarly criticise someone you don't know personally.

You obviously don't like my views and opinion on things so you just carry on with your condescending dismissive comments to me that I'm a troll. I'm sure there's a word for people who don't like to tolerate other peoples opinions and instead are just condescending to them but I cant think what it is

I don't know you personally or any of the ceaseless Remoaners on here for that matter. However it doesn't stop me from forming an opinion of you. May I introduce you to the work of the bard of Salford. The national treasure that is John Cooper Clarke, to put into words that opinion.

Like a nightclub in the morning, you're the bitter end
Like a recently disinfected sh1thouse, you're clean round the bend
You give me the horrors
Too bad to be true
All of my tomorrows
Are lousy 'cause of you
You put the Shat in Shatter
Put the Pain in Spain
Your germs are splattered about
Your face is just a stain
You're certainly no raver, commonly known as a drag
Do us all a favor, here, wear this polythene bag
You're like a dose of scabies
I've got you under my skin
You make life a fairytale
Grimm!
People mention murder, the moment you arrive
I'd consider killing you if I thought you were alive

You've got this slippery quality
It makes me think of phlegm
And a dual personality
I hate both of them
You're bad breath, vamps disease, destruction, and decay
Please, please, please, please, take yourself away
Like a death a birthday party
You ruin all the fun
Like a sucked and spat-our Smartie
You're no use to anyone
Like the shadow of the guillotine
On a dead consumptive's face
Speaking as an outsider
What do you think of the human race?
You went to a progressive psychiatrist
He recommended suicide
Before scratching your bad name off his list
And pointing the way outside
You hear laughter breaking through, it makes you want to fart
You're heading for a breakdown
Better pull yourself apart
Your dirty name gets passed about when something goes amiss
Your attitudes are platitudes
Just make me wanna p1ss
What kind of creature bore you
Was it some kind of bat?
They can't find a good word for you
But I can
Tw@t!

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:10 pm

WTF... hahahaha

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:10 pm

https://christopherengland.com/2017/01/ ... -delusion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Quite a funny insight.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:10 pm

The genius himself

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Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:14 pm

its a terrible insight.

Mik, I'm not being funny, but when someone who wants Brexit and has a clue comes on its a good listen. But the fundamentals of what drive Brexit thinking don't make any sense when we get into the details. He just doesn't let people get away with it.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:its a terrible insight.

Mik, I'm not being funny, but when someone who wants Brexit and has a clue comes on its a good listen. But the fundamentals of what drive Brexit thinking don't make any sense when we get into the details. He just doesn't let people get away with it.

2 peas in the same pod

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:18 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I don't know you personally or any of the ceaseless Remoaners on here for that matter. However it doesn't stop me from forming an opinion of you.

Surprise surprise the drunk village idiot completely misses the point.

I agree with you and do not think you need to know someone personally to express an opinion of them. It was your mate Mik who seemed to hold that view when he got upset about his hero Farage getting dissed. Its ok though cos he has seemingly done a full u-turn on this when it comes to the subject of yours and his scary boogeyman O'Brien

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:20 pm

I can't help feeling that if we just wheel out a James O'Brien threat on here the Brexiteers will **** their pants and do a runner.

The amount of crap spread about him online is almost as bad as the stuff pumped out of the Kremlin.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:20 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Surprise surprise the drunk village idiot completely misses the point.

I agree with you and do not think you need to know someone personally to express an opinion of them. It was your mate Mik who seemed to hold that view when he got upset about his hero Farage getting dissed. Its ok though cos he has seemingly done a full u-turn on this when it comes to the subject of yours and his scary boogeyman O'Brien

..and you wonder why I call you a troll? Not only do you completely misrepresent me, but you are also incorrect. Maybe I was correct the first time. Return to your bridge.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:22 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:its a terrible insight.

Mik, I'm not being funny, but when someone who wants Brexit and has a clue comes on its a good listen. But the fundamentals of what drive Brexit thinking don't make any sense when we get into the details. He just doesn't let people get away with it.

Then he could easily do it without the ridicule and vitriol, but he can't help himself.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:24 pm

burnleymik wrote:..and you wonder why I call you a troll? Not only do you completely misrepresent me, but you are also incorrect. Maybe I was correct the first time. Return to your bridge.

I have my doubts whether you have managed to be correct on anything ever. Full marks for trying though

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:24 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Surprise surprise the drunk village idiot completely misses the point.

I agree with you and do not think you need to know someone personally to express an opinion of them. It was your mate Mik who seemed to hold that view when he got upset about his hero Farage getting dissed. Its ok though cos he has seemingly done a full u-turn on this when it comes to the subject of yours and his scary boogeyman O'Brien

How appropriate !

O’Brien also uses obscure logical fallacies and straw-man arguments to support his bizarre position. My favourite is the one where he says that if he was on a plane and the passengers voted by a majority to put a drunk in the pilot’s seat to fly the plane, he would still panic and scream that it was wrong until his last dying breath as the plane crashed into a mountain.

He currently applies this argument to try to explain his hatred of Donald Trump. He’s also used it against those who dared to vote in the UK to leave the European Union.

The ‘straw-man’ aspect of his metaphor is his assumption that the pilot is a drunk. As in, Donald Trumpis not fit for the Presidency. Period.

What if, to address the metaphor, the only person who believes the pilot is a drunk, is James O’Brien? What if the pilot has proved his sobriety to everybody else on the plane, but because of O’Brien’s delusional state, he can’t accept the results of the breath test the pilot took, or even that he took one. The voices inside O’Brien’s head keep him shouting at and upsetting the rest of the passengers, and screaming about the pending gloom and doom that everybody else knows isn’t going to happen.

In other words, O’Brien is putting the straw-man argument forward that there is an assumption, a given, that something is unacceptably wrong with Donald Trump, or something is wrong with Brexit. He’s saying it’s wrong, taken as read that it’s wrong, not that just in his limited worldview opinion it is wrong. It is, his deranged mind tells him, categorically and unequivocally wrong. The voices in his head also tell O’Brien that only the single view, his view, is true regardless of the logic or any evidence to the contrary. The voices tell him that that his is the only truth, a fact.

All of which makes him very angry when he hears anything that challenges his belief. He is convinced that he is there to save everybody from the drunken pilot. He can’t accept that the pilot isn’t drunk.

It’s all just a delusion inside O’Brien’s head.

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burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:I have my doubts whether you have managed to be correct on anything ever. Full marks for trying though

You see? You do the groundwork for me.

Maybe one time you could join a debate, not to snipe, but to actually participate. I won't hold my breath though.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:25 pm

And you are probably right BUT he's been spot on for two years and people still ring up to repeat stuff that is 100% horse manure.

It drives me up the wall when I hear stuff that is blatantly made up and I'm only listening!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:its a terrible insight.

Mik, I'm not being funny, but when someone who wants Brexit and has a clue comes on its a good listen. But the fundamentals of what drive Brexit thinking don't make any sense when we get into the details. He just doesn't let people get away with it.

Fundamentally, Lancaster Claret is not a democrat.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:28 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:How appropriate !

O’Brien also uses obscure logical fallacies and straw-man arguments to support his bizarre position. My favourite is the one where he says that if he was on a plane and the passengers voted by a majority to put a drunk in the pilot’s seat to fly the plane, he would still panic and scream that it was wrong until his last dying breath as the plane crashed into a mountain.

He currently applies this argument to try to explain his hatred of Donald Trump. He’s also used it against those who dared to vote in the UK to leave the European Union.

The ‘straw-man’ aspect of his metaphor is his assumption that the pilot is a drunk. As in, Donald Trumpis not fit for the Presidency. Period.

What if, to address the metaphor, the only person who believes the pilot is a drunk, is James O’Brien? What if the pilot has proved his sobriety to everybody else on the plane, but because of O’Brien’s delusional state, he can’t accept the results of the breath test the pilot took, or even that he took one. The voices inside O’Brien’s head keep him shouting at and upsetting the rest of the passengers, and screaming about the pending gloom and doom that everybody else knows isn’t going to happen.

In other words, O’Brien is putting the straw-man argument forward that there is an assumption, a given, that something is unacceptably wrong with Donald Trump, or something is wrong with Brexit. He’s saying it’s wrong, taken as read that it’s wrong, not that just in his limited worldview opinion it is wrong. It is, his deranged mind tells him, categorically and unequivocally wrong. The voices in his head also tell O’Brien that only the single view, his view, is true regardless of the logic or any evidence to the contrary. The voices tell him that that his is the only truth, a fact.

All of which makes him very angry when he hears anything that challenges his belief. He is convinced that he is there to save everybody from the drunken pilot. He can’t accept that the pilot isn’t drunk.

It’s all just a delusion inside O’Brien’s head.

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Not sure what this rambling rubbish has got to do with me but I guess in your defense we've all been guilty of drunk posting in the past. For you its become quite an art form

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:31 pm

burnleymik wrote: I won't hold my breath though.

spoilsport

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:31 pm

Christ, it looks even worse when its copied and pasted.

You know that my dislike of Brexit is mainly economic, but if people like the bloke who wrote that are in favour of anything, then I'll be against them as long as I live.