Being in a lower league is much more enjoyable

[Silkyskills1]

So, do you apportion more blame on Dyche for his Europa team selections( where effectively we lost one out of six) or Coyle abandoning ship mid-season without warning?

[TVC15]

I was generalising mate. The team against Burton WAS decent (although NOT the first team) but look at his record over the years, he behaves like we have a team of PL reserves like Chelsea or City. Whatever anyone thinks of our PL survival the fact is the only things we can really aspire to winning are cup competitions and Dyche swats them aside like an irritation.

He is wrong.

If Dyche is “wrong” then so are 90% of the other managers in the top 2 leagues who are treating the cup competitions the same as us by rotating their squads.
Did you know that in the round before they played us Burton rested 9 players ? What quality of players do you think they have below the first team ?
Unless you think our players are genuinely going out to get beat than the simple fact is that they are just underperforming in the cup. Look at that game against Lincoln - we would have been in the quarter final but for playing abysmally on the day and Lincoln just being more physical (and dirtier) than us.

The league cup in particular is a competition where a lot of the bigger teams go out in earlier rounds. There is a whole range of reasons for this but I don’t think this is down to clubs discarding the competition. Deprioritising maybe but as said a lot of the time the opposition is doing exactly the same so it comes down to who plays best on the day / night.

[jrgbfc]

If Dyche is “wrong” then so are 90% of the other managers in the top 2 leagues who are treating the cup competitions the same as us by rotating their squads.
Did you know that in the round before they played us Burton rested 9 players ? What quality of players do you think they have below the first team ?
Unless you think our players are genuinely going out to get beat than the simple fact is that they are just underperforming in the cup. Look at that game against Lincoln - we would have been in the quarter final but for playing abysmally on the day and Lincoln just being more physical (and dirtier) than us.

The league cup in particular is a competition where a lot of the bigger teams go out in earlier rounds. There is a whole range of reasons for this but I don’t think this is down to clubs discarding the competition. Deprioritising maybe but as said a lot of the time the opposition is doing exactly the same so it comes down to who plays best on the day / night.

Surely that is all the more reason for clubs like us to take it seriously then? If we'd have beaten Burton we'd have had a winnable last 16 home tie with Forest, with the likes of United, Liverpool, Wolves and Everton already gone and more Premiership sides drawing each other in the next round. Might have given us a bit of excitement in a season that looks like it's going to be a real boring slog where we are simply aiming to survive.

[TVC15]

Surely that is all the more reason for clubs like us to take it seriously then? If we'd have beaten Burton we'd have had a winnable last 16 home tie with Forest, with the likes of United, Liverpool, Wolves and Everton already gone and more Premiership sides drawing each other in the next round. Might have given us a bit of excitement in a season that looks like it's going to be a real boring slog where we are simply aiming to survive.

Not really the point I am making.
We took it seriously by putting out a side that should have thrashed Burton...just look at the 2 team sheets.
We played poorly on the night, made mistakes and we got beat.
Not sure how you can say with the side we put out that we did not take it seriously. We took the competition more seriously than Burton - they need the glamour and cash of a cup run and drawing a big team far more than Burnley yet they rested more players in an earlier round than we did against Burton.

As for the club simply aiming to survive not sure where you have got that from. Its no doubt exactly what some fans said before the season started last year....and they then went quiet. The ambition of the club this year cannot be lower than last year surely ? Results and performance does not mean the same as ambition.

[NL Claret]

So you think he's played as well this season so far as he did last season? Is that what you're saying?
I didn't say he'd become a bad player I said he had lost interest, albeit temporarilly, and I couldn't really blame him after being 'dropped' for the Euros.

So he's only lost interest temporarily now? Your earlier post didn't say that. He had a decent game from memory vs Soton after been 'dropped' for the Euros, perhaps this was before his loss of interest.

I haven't said anything about player performance just that there is a lot rubbish being posted on here.

Can you imagine Southgate's scouts reporting back that Tarky had lost interest but he still gets a call up?

[Indecisive]

Bring back Mark Winstanley, Mark Ford, Chris Scott, Lee Howey.

Those were the days....‘Entertaining’ football scrapping away in the lower leagues.

Oh wait. It was shite wasn’t it. Absolute shite.

I went to watch Accy v Yeovil last season. It was crap. I’ll stick to the Premier League ta.

[Untinted Glasses]

Cheaper. Better away games. More chance of winning something other than settling for survival. Easier to get tickets. Better kick off times. New teams to play. Newer grounds. More passionate fans and it pains me to say it but i miss playing the B@sards and Preston.

The Premierleague is boring. Overhyped and i hate it.

EIEIEIO DOWN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE WE GO

Completely agree, the premier league is a pretentious, over rated sack of boring shite that is on the verge of self imploding. Cant wait till it does and sky f***s off to the USA.
Way too much football on TV and were all being brainwashed into liking the **** it has become.

[houseboy]

If Dyche is “wrong” then so are 90% of the other managers in the top 2 leagues who are treating the cup competitions the same as us by rotating their squads.
Did you know that in the round before they played us Burton rested 9 players ? What quality of players do you think they have below the first team ?
Unless you think our players are genuinely going out to get beat than the simple fact is that they are just underperforming in the cup. Look at that game against Lincoln - we would have been in the quarter final but for playing abysmally on the day and Lincoln just being more physical (and dirtier) than us.

The league cup in particular is a competition where a lot of the bigger teams go out in earlier rounds. There is a whole range of reasons for this but I don’t think this is down to clubs discarding the competition. Deprioritising maybe but as said a lot of the time the opposition is doing exactly the same so it comes down to who plays best on the day / night.

I know a lot of other managers do it as well and I think they are wrong as well, I criticised Fergie for it 20 years ago.
When people are paying good money to support their team there is no excuse whatsoever for fielding a weakened side in any competition. I'm not just getting at Dyche, he just happens to be our manager, I hate it when any manager does it. And it always gets me when supporters of smaller clubs draw a big club like maybe Chelsea and get excited about it, knowing full well they will get the reserves.
Whatever happened to clubs being fined for fielding weakened sides, it happened to Burnley once years ago? I know people will say the clubs will point to the quality of their squad but if a manager makes 6/7 changes for a cup game then the club should be fined (and enough to make it hurt).
Sorry to go on but it is a major problem I have with modern football management.

[houseboy]

So he's only lost interest temporarily now? Your earlier post didn't say that. He had a decent game from memory vs Soton after been 'dropped' for the Euros, perhaps this was before his loss of interest.

I haven't said anything about player performance just that there is a lot rubbish being posted on here.

Can you imagine Southgate's scouts reporting back that Tarky had lost interest but he still gets a call up?

So have his performances this season so far matched up to last season? You didn't answer.

And I said temporarily because people do lose interest in all sorts of things then regain it so hopefully it would only be temporary. Nothing is permanent in this life. I also said 'others' as well but you pick up on Tarks so I assume you think I am right about the others then?

[NL Claret]

So have his performances this season so far matched up to last season? You didn't answer.

And I said temporarily because people do lose interest in all sorts of things then regain it so hopefully it would only be temporary. Nothing is permanent in this life. I also said 'others' as well but you pick up on Tarks so I assume you think I am right about the others then?

In a word, no.

You back tracked and changed it to temporarily, you are right about people losing interest in all sorts of things. I used to be interested in this message board however since the end of last season due to the rubbish posted on here I've lost interest.

[houseboy]

In a word, no.

You back tracked and changed it to temporarily, you are right about people losing interest in all sorts of things. I used to be interested in this message board however since the end of last season due to the rubbish posted on here I've lost interest.

Listen bud we could argue semantics all day but it doesn't get us anywhere does it. Whether or not I said, or implied or didn't imply 'temporary' in my original post doesn't matter one jot, you get the gist.
And I'm glad you answered the question.

[TVC15]

I know a lot of other managers do it as well and I think they are wrong as well, I criticised Fergie for it 20 years ago.
When people are paying good money to support their team there is no excuse whatsoever for fielding a weakened side in any competition. I'm not just getting at Dyche, he just happens to be our manager, I hate it when any manager does it. And it always gets me when supporters of smaller clubs draw a big club like maybe Chelsea and get excited about it, knowing full well they will get the reserves.
Whatever happened to clubs being fined for fielding weakened sides, it happened to Burnley once years ago? I know people will say the clubs will point to the quality of their squad but if a manager makes 6/7 changes for a cup game then the club should be fined (and enough to make it hurt).
Sorry to go on but it is a major problem I have with modern football management.

Yes but the poInt is whether would fielding a stronger side would make any difference ? We fielded a far far stronger team than Burton and we got beat.
Given this also happens in every other major league in Europe it’s clearly become the norm and to say their is no excuse for it when it is so widespread is just wrong. There are lots of very obvious reasons for it....and yes most of them come down to commercial reasons (like most decisions in football) but there is also a very valid reason that it gives clubs the opportunity to field squad players or younger players in competitive games which is key to their development but also key to the morale of the team.

It is what it is and whilst a few fans have a problem with it personally I don’t mainly because I see how at a club like Burnley that playing 2 games in a week with the same team in this league would be difficult to cope with. I never thought I would see Burnley in the Premier League in my lifetime so I am very happy for the manager to decide how he wants to approach Cup games because it’s the same manager who has given me the great excitement of 2 promotions, beating Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool etc !!

[houseboy]

Yes but the poInt is whether would fielding a stronger side would make any difference ? We fielded a far far stronger team than Burton and we got beat.
Given this also happens in every other major league in Europe it’s clearly become the norm and to say their is no excuse for it when it is so widespread is just wrong. There are lots of very obvious reasons for it....and yes most of them come down to commercial reasons (like most decisions in football) but there is also a very valid reason that it gives clubs the opportunity to field squad players or younger players in competitive games which is key to their development but also key to the morale of the team.

It is what it is and whilst a few fans have a problem with it personally I don’t mainly because I see how at a club like Burnley that playing 2 games in a week with the same team in this league would be difficult to cope with. I never thought I would see Burnley in the Premier League in my lifetime so I am very happy for the manager to decide how he wants to approach Cup games because it’s the same manager who has given me the great excitement of 2 promotions, beating Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool etc !!

We'll have to agree to disagree on that mate Ha ha.
The one thing though you mentioned was that it is widespread, even in Europe, which you seem to suggest makes it okay. Cheating and diving is also widespred throughout the world, does that make it okay?
The game against Burton we fielded a team that, as you say, SHOULD have beaten them but do you not think the first team WOULD have?
This is a kind of circular argument really and as you say some fans are okay with it and some are not, I never will be as long as I watch football.

[No Ney Never]

Being in a lower league is not more enjoyable than being in the premier league on a regular basis, however, there have been seasons when it's been great. The Sherpa van was fantastic along with the promotions from each of the divisions we've climbed out of, mostly though they were terrible. The only thing that at times made it bearable was the craic with the lads and the dream of promotion. Quite often it was just a dream, none of us could see how we could possibly progress.
We've been blessed with the choice of some great managers for our needs at the time, they've done fantastically well. The money from ITV Digital came at the right time and was a help, as have been the loans made to the club by board members when it's mattered. Great management of the club by the board over the years has got us to where we are today and I'm loving it.
Not having to sell our better players every season to make ends meet is a huge stride forward. Being able to fund the development of Gawthorpe into a top class facility without any sort of loan, unbelievable. Filling in the corners and improving the match day experience for many of our supporters using cash in the bank, brilliant. The club shop looks great along with other improvements that have tidied the place up a bit. Looking forward to what's going to happen next, Bob Lord or Cricketfield.
I've always been proud to be a Claret, but these recent years has made it feel so much more. Every season we remain in the premier league is a massive achievement for us, as good as winning the FA or League cup. The football is evolving, just needs a bit of patience. It's taken five years to be in a position where we can compete and hold our own, I'm sure that with our board running the club and Sean Dyche as our manager, the next five years will show further progress on and off the pitch. Far more enjoyable than being in a lower league.

[TVC15]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that mate Ha ha.
The one thing though you mentioned was that it is widespread, even in Europe, which you seem to suggest makes it okay. Cheating and diving is also widespred throughout the world, does that make it okay?
The game against Burton we fielded a team that, as you say, SHOULD have beaten them but do you not think the first team WOULD have?
This is a kind of circular argument really and as you say some fans are okay with it and some are not, I never will be as long as I watch football.

To answer your questions no cheating and diving is not ok. Rotating your squad is not cheating though !

Do I think we would have beaten Burton with a full squad ? No not necessarily so as we fielded a very strong team and SD has been rotating his squad for league games anyway so who is to say what our best team was then with so many players out of form. Given that we got beat by a team that cost a fraction of our team it’s impossible to say that changing a couple of players would have changed the result.
We have done the same to many other teams that cost ten times what our team does.

As you say we are not going to agree on this but I am really struggling to see how some fans do not get the reason for it or are getting so bothered about it.

It’s a bit like the argument that money is ruining football which I do actually kind agree with. But I don’t see the point of getting too irrate with it as I still love football and still love watching Burnley....so I just take the view that i’ll enjoy the ride and not let the things I don’t like in the current game ruin it for me.

[houseboy]

To answer your questions no cheating and diving is not ok. Rotating your squad is not cheating though !

Do I think we would have beaten Burton with a full squad ? No not necessarily so as we fielded a very strong team and SD has been rotating his squad for league games anyway so who is to say what our best team was then with so many players out of form. Given that we got beat by a team that cost a fraction of our team it’s impossible to say that changing a couple of players would have changed the result.
We have done the same to many other teams that cost ten times what our team does.

As you say we are not going to agree on this but I am really struggling to see how some fans do not get the reason for it or are getting so bothered about it.

It’s a bit like the argument that money is ruining football which I do actually kind agree with. But I don’t see the point of getting too irrate with it as I still love football and still love watching Burnley....so I just take the view that i’ll enjoy the ride and not let the things I don’t like in the current game ruin it for me.

Well said bud. If we all agreed about everything life would be pretty boring eh?

[NL Claret]

Listen bud we could argue semantics all day but it doesn't get us anywhere does it. Whether or not I said, or implied or didn't imply 'temporary' in my original post doesn't matter one jot, you get the gist.
And I'm glad you answered the question.

The answer of no was mainly to your 2nd question. Personally I rarely pass comment on players or try to undermine the manager. I'll let the experts do that. I'm not an expert, I played a handful of games in the LAL division 6 although did win 2 leagues 2 cups in 3 years as a manager in the Manchester League division 3.

I will pass comment on Tarky's performances for you. I don't think he's played as well since getting his first England call up. This season he has been one of the better players hence getting a call up. He's probably not 100% fit either. Staying on player performance I don't get how some players are bomb proof. There's a couple this season who cannot come in for criticism for one reason or another however their performances have been dismal compared to last season. I don't put that down to a temporary lack of interest though.

[frankinwales]

I detest the Premier League when we are not in it.......

But I am very happy to take their money to improve our club when we are in it..........

Watching us get beat at places like Springfield Park was no fun........


Up the Clarets...........

[JTClaret]

It's not the results people are p!ssed off with it's the performances, two different things. It's NOT fickle to expect some entertainment for your money whatever league you are in and many if not most are more interested in seeing Burnley play well, even if they lose, than watching the over-paid prima donnas of other clubs.

I get that. But I just think there’s a lot of teams who’s fans feel that way, and knowing that, I’d rather be feeling it where we are.