How long for Theresa May?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:32 pm

Shes a survivor and too arrogant to resign.Nobody wants the gig so shes safe.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:34 pm

dsr wrote:It is. It has been your belief all along that the £320 billion of export business that the EU sells to the UK is of no value whatsoever.

And that belief seems to be being proven more and more accurate as time goes on, doesn’t it? Will reality ever penetrate your biases on Brexit?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:45 pm

Gove next to go?.

Source close to Michael Gove confirms he has rejected brexit Secretary job

As expected, but now all eyes on whether he quits government altogether since he clearly can’t really support her deal

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:46 pm

Well then, I better not sing 'They'll always be an England,' I better not watch Wayne Rooney on his 120th cap as it doesn't exist.

There is already a split in the POLITICAL map of the Brittanic Nations, our own stated as the United Kingdom of GB and N.I.

Just stick to the UK of GB and we'll be alright and let's demand a vote to ditch N.I.

They couldn't even build a ship properly, the boilers were on fire from the launch and they even have a dedicated museum to their lousy workmanship and the resulting death of over 1500 people.

What English person now, gives a damn about that far off place and it's weight upon the national psyche and the tax payer's pocket?

... Not that I'm pushing the boat out in my opinions.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:48 pm

Gove is a complete tit and an ugly one at that.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:49 pm

Pstotto wrote:Well then, I better not sing 'They'll always be an England,' I better not watch Wayne Rooney on his 120th cap as it doesn't exist.

There is already a split in the POLITICAL map of the Brittanic Nations, our own stated as the United Kingdom of GB and N.I.

Just stick to the UK of GB and we'll be alright and let's demand a vote to ditch N.I.

They couldn't even build a ship properly, the boilers were on fire from the launch and they even have a dedicated museum to their lousy workmanship and the resulting death of over 1500 people.

What English person now, gives a damn about that far off place and it's weight upon the national psyche and the tax payer's pocket?

... Not that I'm pushing the boat out in my opinions.

I can't work out if you're just joking or you're the kind of person that really makes the world a much sorrier place.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Jeremy Clarkson is a cult hero for such outrageous entertaining... Lighten up.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:53 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Gove is a complete tit and an ugly one at that.

Had a good career though. He was excellent playing Pob in the 1980’s.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:11 pm

biggles wrote: claret on a trex has now moved into first place in the 'who's gonna blow a gasket first' marathon.

I might blow a gasket laughing. You misunderstand, if I'd known brexit would have been so ridiculous and massively damaging to the Tory party I'd have also voted Leave.

We are entering possibly the greatest news cycle in my lifetime, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy the hilarity of the next few weeks as this brexit fiasco totally unravels.

And just in case you don't remember, I live in Spain, the worse it gets for you, particularly the leave side with the total meltdown of your brexit fantasies, the funnier it is.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:22 pm

I've just put a 10er on her being in the jungle for Sunday nights opener.

Brunlea · Post by **Brunlea** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:41 pm

Firstly I don’t like Theresa May and never have but respect the fact that she is hanging in there whilst under a huge amount of pressure and trying to do the job she is paid for.
Secondly I didn’t agree with the referendum result but I respect the fact that it was democratic and has to be complied with.
Thirdly I find it hard to accept that the elected representatives of this country when actually asked or tasked to do their jobs and negotiate on our behalf cannot resist consulting their Cardinal Richleu handbook and use the whole situation to progress their own agendas and play games with our countrys’ future.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:I might blow a gasket laughing. You misunderstand, if I'd known brexit would have been so ridiculous and massively damaging to the Tory party I'd have also voted Leave.

We are entering possibly the greatest news cycle in my lifetime, I'm going to thoroughly enjoy the hilarity of the next few weeks as this brexit fiasco totally unravels.

And just in case you don't remember, I live in Spain, the worse it gets for you, particularly the leave side with the total meltdown of your brexit fantasies, the funnier it is.

don't be upset, now but i neither knew nor cared that you live in spain [bit arrogant of you, no?] i don't know why you are so against Brexit if you don't live in the UK [unless you have family over here which you think could be badly affected by it]. god knows what effect brexit will have on you; can't be good, though. probably have to pay for all your medical treatment/care and stuff like that. gonna cost you a packet i would imagine. don't worry about us brexiteers having a meltdown, aint gonna happen. we won, remember? any brexit is a good one for me; whatever the deal/no deal. The EU won't be able to afford to throw cash at Spain after Brexit, especially for gringos like you.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:15 pm

"I'm all right Jack" tweets from old, well off Brexiteers are depressingly common.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:29 pm

biggles wrote:don't be upset, now but i neither knew nor cared that you live in spain [bit arrogant of you, no?] i don't know why you are so against Brexit if you don't live in the UK [unless you have family over here which you think could be badly affected by it]. god knows what effect brexit will have on you; can't be good, though. probably have to pay for all your medical treatment/care and stuff like that. gonna cost you a packet i would imagine. don't worry about us brexiteers having a meltdown, aint gonna happen. we won, remember? any brexit is a good one for me; whatever the deal/no deal. The EU won't be able to afford to throw cash at Spain after Brexit, especially for gringos like you.

‘We won’.

When is the open top bus parade?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:32 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:‘We won’.

When is the open top bus parade?

They had one planned but the bus driver resigned.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:38 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:

When is the open top bus parade?

Wow, that's original ? No need to parade the fact that we won/people like you [losers] lost, everyone knows it!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:48 pm

When does the flu season kick in?

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:00 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:When does the flu season kick in?

with the onset of a bout of 'Joppety-joppety' brought on by Brexit, perhaps?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:06 am

No one wins here Biggles. Thats the most depressing thing.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:26 am

you might be right but let's hope not. i do whole-heartedly believe, though, that the UK can survive well, without the EU dictating how we live, do business etc. i really do not like the EU as an organisation and who knows how it will evolve and what it will evolve into, guided[dictated to] by Germany and France? seems the Germans and the French have too much power and too much say in every aspect of the EU and I really do not believe [by history and culture] that they want what's good for the UK [in many ways, their enemy/competitor for centuries]. unfortunately, Brexit is a very emotive issue and is menacingly divisive; it's a civil war of words.

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:49 am

biggles wrote:you might be right but let's hope not. i do whole-heartedly believe, though, that the UK can survive well, without the EU dictating how we live, do business etc. i really do not like the EU as an organisation and who knows how it will evolve and what it will evolve into, guided[dictated to] by Germany and France? seems the Germans and the French have too much power and too much say in every aspect of the EU and I really do not believe [by history and culture] that they want what's good for the UK [in many ways, their enemy/competitor for centuries]. unfortunately, Brexit is a very emotive issue and is menacingly divisive; it's a civil war of words.

The way to change a kind of “beneficial to all” club’s ethos is from the inside. We’ve moved on from agincourt and Arnhem. The worlds got smaller since we started out - our children deserve better from us

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:47 am

This ******* clown

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IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:21 am

Tick tock

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:53 am

Does anyone remember 10 years ago when no one gave a sh*t about the EU (except a few right wing tories)

Happier times

Now it seems everyone from left wing loonies to right wing nutters have strong views either way. Many decent people have turned to having such strong views on an issue that wasn’t even an issue until some rich tories made it an issue, that they now freely insult people for having an opposing view. On here is nothing compared what I have seen on Facebook. I’ve seen good friends having right ding dongs over an issue that they literally didn’t give a **** about 10 years ago

Which pricks have caused this

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:04 am

Well is she still there? of course she is..isn't she?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:14 am

biggles wrote:Wow, that's original ? No need to parade the fact that we won/people like you [losers] lost, everyone knows it!

Almost as original as your reply. If you see this farce as winning that makes it all the more depressing.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:37 am

biggles wrote:don't be upset, now but i neither knew nor cared that you live in spain [bit arrogant of you, no?] i don't know why you are so against Brexit if you don't live in the UK [unless you have family over here which you think could be badly affected by it]. god knows what effect brexit will have on you; can't be good, though. probably have to pay for all your medical treatment/care and stuff like that. gonna cost you a packet i would imagine. don't worry about us brexiteers having a meltdown, aint gonna happen. we won, remember? any brexit is a good one for me; whatever the deal/no deal. The EU won't be able to afford to throw cash at Spain after Brexit, especially for gringos like you.

Again - not upset, I find it hilarious.
Brexit will have NO effect on me.
I'm a multi-award-winning best selling children's writer, I don't need governments throwing cash at me thanks but aren't you forgetting the 39 Billion the UK will be stumping up to follow somebody else's rules?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:44 am

We’ve moved on from agincourt and Arnhem.

But millions clearly haven't. That is the problem.

Biggles goes on about Germany and France being our traditional enemies. Germany 75 years ago, France, what, 200 years ago?

You can't possibly use that as a reason for but mild jingoism, you certainly can't use it as a reason to absolutely shaft the country, especially as the world we live in today the enemies we have are brand new.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:26 am

Jesus even Enid Blyton has registered

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:35 am

This seems to bear so many parallels to the Burnley in PL v 'entertaining football' debate.

On the one side you've got those who realise we're in a tough place, there are others with much more resource available to them, it's never going to be a level playing field and there's a lot that goes on we really don't like at all. However, in the best interests of the club, responsible stewardship and giving future generations a chance to enjoy the benefits the best place to be is on the inside - at least that gives us a degree of security and the chance to influence what goes on in the future.

The alternate view is that we're fed-up getting beaten by City/United/Liverpool/Chelsea and securing Richard Scudamore's retirement fund so we'll get ourselves relegated as that will show the PL they should never have messed us about. Three years down the line Clarets' boss Simon Grayson says he's disappointed that Bradford Park Aveneue have rejected an improved £100k bid for Zavon Hines but he hopes to be able to push the deal through once John Walters has recovered from his cruciate op and he can offer him in part exchange. Meanwhile five posters on this board are outraged on behalf of the other 7k in attendance that our 3-3 draw with mid-table League One opponents Doncaster is not the lead story on the BBC Football website.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:54 am

enid blyton.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:05 am

Inchy wrote:Does anyone remember 10 years ago when no one gave a sh*t about the EU (except a few right wing tories)

Happier times

Now it seems everyone from left wing loonies to right wing nutters have strong views either way. Many decent people have turned to having such strong views on an issue that wasn’t even an issue until some rich tories made it an issue, that they now freely insult people for having an opposing view. On here is nothing compared what I have seen on Facebook. I’ve seen good friends having right ding dongs over an issue that they literally didn’t give a **** about 10 years ago

Which pricks have caused this

Agreed, only the John Redwood's of this world and a small like minded section of society are really in this for the long haul. I think big swathes of the Brexit vote was from people wanting to give the British establishment one in the eye for policies like austerity, stagnant wages, overstretched public services and the general feeling of being left behind that has characterised life for many since the financial crash. That combined with Cameron wanting to silence the bitching Eurosceptics on the Tory backbenches meant Farage and the leave campaign could direct public resentment towards the EU bogeyman. As you said, even three years ago the average British punter simply wasn't interested. Basically, the rightful anger and protest that is Brexit has been channelled into an act of national self harm instead where it should have gone.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:17 am

biggles wrote: i really do not like the EU as an organisation and who knows how it will evolve and what it will evolve into, guided[dictated to] by Germany and France? seems the Germans and the French have too much power and too much say in every aspect of the EU and I really do not believe [by history and culture] that they want what's good for the UK [in many ways, their enemy/competitor for centuries].

So here's a great idea.
Why don't we either Leave with no deal, or sign the May Deal, thus losing our vetoes and our ability to block all the the nasty things that those dastardly Germans and Frenchies might propose.
Macron: Perhaps we should have an EU Army?
UK: Sorry we have a veto on that, (not gonna happen), but don't worry we're leaving soon so you can have your own way if no one else blocks it.

vinrogue · Post by **vinrogue** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:26 am

In my working years I have seen people off work with a sick note for stress, if ever I thought here is one woman that could do with a Sick Note off the Doctor and a lie down in a darkened room .....I wouldn't want her job ever.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:29 am

i dont agree with you wishful thinkers that europe is one big happy family. it aint. you really think that Germany and France consider our needs ahead of their own? once upon a time there were two nasty countries who promised to they would not go to war but they lied.............. we stepped in to help and still receive lots of thanks from them, not. they promised not to argue again and they all lived happily ever after! to be continued....

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:35 am

Biggles (great books by the way)

You are talking like it 1945 (for Germany) and 1815 (for France).

Please try to shift your attitudes to 2018.

Yours

Everybody else who doesn't think about war and conflict when we talk about other countries

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:42 am

history does tend to repeat itself, Lancaster. we thought the cold war was over but...... surprise!!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:47 am

Yes, I'm all for learning the lessons of history.

Can you tell me before the Napoleonic Wars when was the last time we had 203 years of peace with France. A country we have been allied with since 1914, and have shared millions of lives in two wars?

You think they can't be trusted?

And the argument works the same way with Germany, but in a different way. They have learnt the terrible lessons of WW1 and WWII and moved so far away from the Germany of then that it is completely unrecognisable.

You are using the historical context negatively, rather than looking at it positively.

I would say that because of our NATO and EU connections, Germany and France are probably better allies at the moment than a Trump run USA.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:27 am

My grandfather served on a ship that participated in the attack on the French fleet in 1940 (I think his was off Dakar), so friends and allies can become enemies overnight. This is why staying in the EU is so important. It provides a framework within which any disputes can be settled amicably, and connects us positively in areas of culture, science, security, industry, and many other things. Anyone against conflict, or the domination by one power of others within Europe, should be wholeheartedly for the EU - which is set up against conflict and domination.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:30 am

You obviously don't know anything about German contemporary art and their media machine. They are the most perverted twisted painters in history, utterly demented sick and hellish creations and claiming high social status for it.

Then we have the Uber Alles football and their Uber Alles car industry driving the world to techno carmaggedon.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:36 am

Typically trust is greater the closer we are to the other party - many on here would say Southern Tories cannot be trusted.

Logically we would trust other countries politicians less than our own, and our own national politicians less than our local ones. Those trust issues are for very good reasons - out of sight, out of mind, people get ignored.

That’s why I am desparate to regain sovereignty and then devolve more local decision making.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:36 am

yes, Germany! 'started' WW1 and WW2, nazis on the rise, again! nothing to worry about there, then, right?

NATO wouldn't exist without the USA. Germany and France want to create a European army, probably to leave NATO?

We have to learn from what history tells us to protect ourselves in the future. for now it's all rosey in the garden but I really wouldn't want to be un-prepared [again], just in case. it seems to be in the German psyche, the need to dominate; if not militarily then in every other way, especially in commerce and politics.

It could be argued that France cost us millions of lives to save them again and again.

but then again, my distrust isn't confined to the military issues. in fact, my distrust of them nowadays is mainly in business and politics.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:44 am

AndrewJB wrote:My grandfather served on a ship that participated in the attack on the French fleet in 1940 (I think his was off Dakar), so friends and allies can become enemies overnight.

Just to clarify, (for those not aware), the "French" Navy at Dakar was under control of Vichy France, (and therefore the Nazis).
The attack was, as such, fully supported by our French allies (Free France). It was hoped that the success of the operation could overthrow the pro-German Vichy French administration in the colony, and be replaced by a pro-British Free French one under General Charles de Gaulle, but unfortunately it failed.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:45 am

I honestly don't know where to start with that.

It makes Ringo answers look well researched

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:49 am

biggles wrote:yes, Germany! 'started' WW1 .

That's factually incorrect. The war had already been underway for 2 days when the Germans joined it.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:56 am

and that's why i put it in ' '. 2 whole day, blimey, it must have surprised them. they definitely weren't fully prepard for war.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:00 am

As was everybody else.

The reasons for WWI are unanimously agreed by the er, "experts" in the field these days, as are the reasons for the rise of Fascism in the 30s, and the complete turn around in German society (amongst others") post WWII.

I know you don't want to believe it, but its all there mate

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:23 am

i wonder what is the cause of the rise in Fascism in the 21st century and where that will take us?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:26 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:The reasons for WWI are unanimously agreed by the er, "experts" in the field these days ...

That I doubt. The "experts" can't even agree unanimously that the Holocaust happened.

There were lots of reasons for WW1, though - a far more complicated school exam question than the causes of WW2, certainly. I agree at least to some extent with Captain Blackadder who said that WW1 started because no-one could be bothered to stop it.

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:26 am

How long for Theresa May ?

Well she's certainly survived a lot longer than a lot of posters on here predicted."Theresa won't make it til May" 18 months ago......

A People's Vote will only serve to prove that GB is still greatly divided.

Possible scenario; Leadership challenge but the dissenters don't get the 50% of their MPs' votes necessary to force a contest. She then goes unchallenged for at least a year. Tory MPs decide to rally round, to avoid any possibility of a vote of no confidence and therefore a general election, and she gets this deal through parliament.

Who knows.