Travellers have taken over Thwaite's Brewery site in Blackburn

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:35 pm

£100K + damage caused.
No arrests.
???

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:39 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote:Private land.. police have no jurisdiction without court order. Any criminal offences should be investigated. damage theft etc

Struggled with the point about speed cameras though? dont speed no ticket. im pretty sure the guy in the speed van isnt a copper.

What utter tripe!
Since when does breaking & entering and criminal damage need a court order to prosecute?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:39 pm

SammyBoy wrote:Not being well acquainted with travellers, what's their objective by pitching up on private property? Setting up camp somewhere only to be booted off shortly afterwards seems like a colossal waste of time and effort.

Nah it's like basecamp for all thefts and burglaries in a 30 mile radius. Plus you get to dump all the **** behind that you've been collecting and get the council to foot the bill for getting rid. Plus the perverse pleasure they take in ruining local areas and making peoples lives a nightmare.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Tue May 29, 2018 7:19 pm

£100K worth of damage according to North West Tonight. They even used the offices as toilets. No arrests have been made.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Tue May 29, 2018 7:26 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:What utter tripe!
Since when does breaking & entering and criminal damage need a court order to prosecute?

Simple trespass is a civil matter, it is not a preserved criminal offence. Hence the requirement for a court order. I was unaware of the 100k worth of damage and theft. Of course those are criminal matters.

ClaretFelix · Post by **ClaretFelix** » Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 pm

Struggle to prosecute as you have to prove exactly which person has committed the particular offence. Unless it is witnessed by somebody who can 100% guarantee the identity of that person, or the Cctv clearly captures it, there is hardly anything the Police can do with regards to prosecuting.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue May 29, 2018 9:17 pm

They intimidate the police and move on. I bet not a single vehicle was taxed but there really is one rule for travellers and one rule for the rest of us.
I had a site in Blackburn a few years ago and the compound was broken into, cctv caught a vehicle and it was the traditional white pick up. The police came, looked at it and openly said it will be down at Ewood site so you can say goodbye to it, even the driver was not even arrested as he denied it and had a bandana on, the owner said he left his keys in the vehicle and somebody borrowed it.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:02 pm

Reading the article on the blackburn telegraph and Thwaites seem to be happy with the service they got off the police. Where does it refer to them being intimidated?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:30 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:£100K worth of damage according to North West Tonight. They even used the offices as toilets. No arrests have been made.

That could have been "misinterpreted " they as in they used the office toilets?

Don't believe everything you hear on North west tonight either they keep promoting "The Northern Power house" The one where you can't catch a Bus from Manchester to Burnley late on Sunday night.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Tue May 29, 2018 10:48 pm

Blackrod wrote:The longer it goes on the more costs will be incurred and the Council can ask for a bigger budget the next year. By being lenient they also won't face any claims for treating a minority group unfairly. They ll probably be able to tick a few boxes on the equality form.

Utter crock of shite. Missus works for a local authority. They absolutely hate it when travellers turn up on their land as it's a nightmare to move them on.

You can rightly bash councils for a lot of other things but what you've said is ******** in this case.

Unfortunately the law is an ass when it comes to getting shut of these people.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:42 am

mybloodisclaret wrote:Simple trespass is a civil matter, it is not a preserved criminal offence. Hence the requirement for a court order. I was unaware of the 100k worth of damage and theft. Of course those are criminal matters.

They assaulted the lad on the security gate and used an angle grinder to cut the chains to open the gates!

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:12 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:They assaulted the lad on the security gate and used an angle grinder to cut the chains to open the gates!

How was i supposed to have known that?

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:29 pm

A few years ago, a teacher friend of my wife had her 4x4 stolen from outside her home. Despite it having a tracker fitted and being traced to, would you believe it, a Traveller's site in WGC, the Police were unwilling to enter the site and recover the stolen vehicle. As said elsewhere, they just live by whatever rules they want and hide behind the victimization card as soon as anyone dare challenge them. Similar with their regard to the planning system, as seen several years ago with Dale Farm. Not far from where I used to live, one of the Traveller community bought a former pub that had some land to the rear.

Over time, various buildings appeared on this piece of land, which was then extended to the rear and more buildings erected. None of them had planning permission, and the plans submitted retrospectively were a crock of ****. Claiming to be a residential only site, despite a fleet of pick ups, lorries and groundwork machinery stored on site, claims that the properties were for 'family members' to stay in when visiting, yet permanently occupied by Eastern European males who worked for the block paving company that was or wasn't based on the site. Claims of mains sewerage systems in place, despite a local guy who emptied the septic tank on a regular basis. And countless other discrepancies. Eventually, retrospective consent was granted. One rule for one etc.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:34 pm

Hummmm Travellers , I could say something but living in Ireland there would be a high chance of me ending up in court .

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed May 30, 2018 4:32 pm

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The ones back in the home country are not much better

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed May 30, 2018 5:07 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:A few years ago, a teacher friend of my wife had her 4x4 stolen from outside her home. Despite it having a tracker fitted and being traced to, would you believe it, a Traveller's site in WGC, the Police were unwilling to enter the site and recover the stolen vehicle. As said elsewhere, they just live by whatever rules they want and hide behind the victimization card as soon as anyone dare challenge them. Similar with their regard to the planning system, as seen several years ago with Dale Farm. Not far from where I used to live, one of the Traveller community bought a former pub that had some land to the rear.

Over time, various buildings appeared on this piece of land, which was then extended to the rear and more buildings erected. None of them had planning permission, and the plans submitted retrospectively were a crock of ****. Claiming to be a residential only site, despite a fleet of pick ups, lorries and groundwork machinery stored on site, claims that the properties were for 'family members' to stay in when visiting, yet permanently occupied by Eastern European males who worked for the block paving company that was or wasn't based on the site. Claims of mains sewerage systems in place, despite a local guy who emptied the septic tank on a regular basis. And countless other discrepancies. Eventually, retrospective consent was granted. One rule for one etc.

The mechanic who works on my car had a Freelander stolen last year, a customers car he was working on, they broke in over night. A friend of a friend of an aquaintance etc etc found out it was these so called "Traveller" **** who`d taken it, the police didn`t want to know, he was told by the "Travellers" he could have it back for £1000, so that`s what he had to do, pay the dirty bastards to get it back!

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:57 pm

Because that's what they do. "Travellers" is just a nice way of saying "Gypsies" or "Roma" in today's politically correct age. They make their living squatting on other people's property and then engaging in thievery or fraud. They're not welcome wherever they go.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed May 30, 2018 7:15 pm

I was talking to an ex police officer today and it is obvious their hands are tied by political correctness and cut backs. In a nutshell they just want them out of Lancashire and it's someone else's problem. He did state though that if local vigilantes started a Facebook campaign to get a group of people to forcibly remove said gypsies the law would hammer them as they are easy targets plus it undermines policing the law and threfore the establishment.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed May 30, 2018 7:43 pm

Didn't I hear KRBFC say that his father was a traveller? There you go. Definite riff-raff.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed May 30, 2018 7:58 pm

A farmer friend of ours had a bunch of the **** arrived on their land a few years ago, they were asked politely to vacate but laughed and refused to do so. 15 minutes later the muck-spreader was driven down and revved up they were away in 5 minutes.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed May 30, 2018 10:42 pm

ontario claret wrote:Didn't I hear KRBFC say that his father was a traveller? There you go. Definite riff-raff.

So the rumour he was conceived on a horse and cart over some recently laid half inch thick tarmac is true.

thelaughingclaret · Post by **thelaughingclaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 1:45 am

If you don’t pay any council or road tax or any tax for that matter and are foreign then you are above the law and can do as you please. To say and do otherwise would probably be racist. I don’t see any of that changing anytime soon.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 6:59 am

So now we know that if we can amass a group of at least 100 of us, we can do whatever we like as Lancashire Constabulary cannot cope with such a large amount of people.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:02 am

Still busy arresting those Hannover fans.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu May 31, 2018 2:22 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:The mechanic who works on my car had a Freelander stolen last year, a customers car he was working on, they broke in over night. A friend of a friend of an aquaintance etc etc found out it was these so called "Traveller" **** who`d taken it, the police didn`t want to know, he was told by the "Travellers" he could have it back for £1000`000, so that`s what he had to do, pay the dirty bastards to get it back!

a million pounds?

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:27 pm

Chief constable on North West tonight earlier. Apparently if there's something going on on one side of Blackburn, they can't go to the other. If things are that bad I suggest he becomes a little more vocal instead of hiding under his desk waiting for his pension.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu May 31, 2018 7:34 pm

What a stupid state of affairs all considered.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu May 31, 2018 9:27 pm

I bet theyd still turn up in their hundreds to escort us around blackburn....

whalleyclaret · Post by **whalleyclaret** » Thu May 31, 2018 10:50 pm

Lancashire Police are a Joke let’s be honest.

It is hard to believe that The Chief C of Lancs Plod is trying to justify on TV letting all the **** and their vehicles go who trashed Thwaites brewery - due to resources - yet they can drum up 100s and 100s of pointless robocops tooled up with boots and dogs, Custers 7th Cavalry and a helicopter for any east lancs Derby and then completely justify the cost of that as needed for public order. Pathetic.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:17 am

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Chief constable on North West tonight earlier. Apparently if there's something going on on one side of Blackburn, they can't go to the other. If things are that bad I suggest he becomes a little more vocal instead of hiding under his desk waiting for his pension.

Had to laugh when he got all "Dirty Harry" and said "When they come back to Blackburn it will be handcuffed in the back of a police vehicle"
Of course they will.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:10 pm

Chobulous wrote:Had to laugh when he got all "Dirty Harry" and said "When they come back to Blackburn it will be handcuffed in the back of a police vehicle"
Of course they will.

Struck me as a rather lilly livered yes man, not what you would want to have in charge in the event of a more serious incident.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:43 pm

Chobulous wrote:Had to laugh when he got all "Dirty Harry" and said "When they come back to Blackburn it will be handcuffed in the back of a police vehicle"
Of course they will.

Brilliant, within half an hour they will have weighed in the handcuffs and sprayed the van white.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:48 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:a million pounds?

Ha ha. Make that a paltry 1000.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:52 pm

Chobulous wrote:Had to laugh when he got all "Dirty Harry" and said "When they come back to Blackburn it will be handcuffed in the back of a police vehicle"
Of course they will.

He was obviously talking about the horses!

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:05 pm

Here in Canada, the police are busier doing ceremonial functions (like giving themselves awards for actually doing their duties), than actually catching bad guys. But some people still want more of them. Some won't be happy until we become a police state like the old USSR.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:30 pm

The police are **** scared of gypsies, useless *****

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:52 pm

To not protect the physical plant of the brewery is scandalous. There should be an inquiry.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:48 pm

Thwaites Brewery travellers 'demanded £20k to leave site'

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Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:57 pm

Surely Thomas Ward should be down as having no fixed abode, if he's one of them scu-mmy f***ers known as 'travellers'?

As soon as they said this...."twenty grand or the place is ours", snipers should have started dropping the filthy twa*s

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Give them a break, it doesn't hurt to show a little tolerance for a different way of life

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:20 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Give them a break, it doesn't hurt to show a little tolerance for a different way of life

It's a lot easier to suggest tolerance when it's not your property that's being smashed up. When he gets out of jail, are you planning to invite him and the boys back to your place?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:56 am

Exactly. It's not a problem as long as it's somebody else's problem. How short-sighted can you be?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:59 am

I hope they throw the book at these scummy bastards.

Travellers really are the lowest of low

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:48 am

We should have camps for these sorts of people. Its the only way to be sure.

J50 · Post by **J50** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:04 am

My local council Elmbridge has managed to get a 3 year ban on the ****. Pushes the problem elsewhere I know.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey ... r-15396085

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:05 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:We should have camps for these sorts of people. Its the only way to be sure.

And the ones that aren’t in camps should be forced to wear some easily distinguishable symbol on their clothes.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:06 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:We should have camps for these sorts of people. Its the only way to be sure.

Camps paid for by the law abiding tax payer?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:42 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Give them a break, it doesn't hurt to show a little tolerance for a different way of life

Which isn't a problem when nobody else is affected by them. But wherever they go they cause mayhem, destroy property, intimidate household and property owners, leave a pile of shite and bring crime with them. The only tolerance they deserve is a nice warm padded call and the keys thrown away.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:45 am

Firthy wrote:Which isn't a problem when nobody else is affected by them. But wherever they go they cause mayhem, destroy property, intimidate household and property owners, leave a pile of shite and bring crime with them. The only tolerance they deserve is a nice warm padded call and the keys thrown away.

Padded Call? Is that like a Telephone Box, full of cushions?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 am

The only tolerance they deserve is a nice warm padded call

How warm?

Oven warm?