Jacob Rees Mogg.

[TonbridgeClaret]

You realise that we can and do trade with the other 85% while being a member of the EU?

Yes. That’s why I said ‘trade more.’

[Greenmile]

Yes. That’s why I said ‘trade more.’

Explain in detail how we will trade more with the 85% post Brexit.

This should be interesting.

[Clarets4me]

I never claimed there were any factual inaccuracies (that doesn't mean there weren't by the way), just that you (and a fair number of other brexiteers) are a small minded xenophobe.
I stand by that claim, based on your words on this thread. You know the Pub Landlord is a satire on little-englanders, don't you?

Is it, by jove ? There was I thinking it was a documentary ! You'll be telling me next that " 'Til death us do part " was a liberal Comedy writer's attempt to expose the closed minded racism and sexism of the un-educated, un-enlightened working classes !

[Lancasterclaret]

He's bound to vote leave now.

We've taken the **** and he's going to make us all pay.

[TonbridgeClaret]

Explain in detail how we will trade more with the 85% post Brexit.

This should be interesting.

http://thecommonwealth.org/media/news/t ... ost-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There’s more but I’m not a hardened brexiteer and can’t be bothered.

[Lancasterclaret]

The daft ****** hasn't even read it.

[TonbridgeClaret]

The daft ****** hasn't even read it.

Right now, many of these products from least developed countries, small states and Sub-Saharan African countries aren’t generating major revenues. But they show tremendous potential for future growth. Post-Brexit, the UK should be looking to assess real potential and supporting development. Who knows what can happen with a little foresight.”

But a large number of other items hold great promise for new trade. I’m convinced developing countries in the Commonwealth can benefit from business with the UK and vice-versa.”

No, of course I haven’t. This is me finished with The Bee Hole End. Enjoy your discussions. I’ve had fun reading the varying opinions.

[Lancasterclaret]

And we'd still be able to access that in the EU.

The first half of the piece is saying that we already get all that through the EU trade agreements.

Making stuff up to justify wrong opinions is **** poor. Its bad enough when kids do it, but when grown adults do it? Who also pretend to vote remain unless they get called names? Not even got the courage of your own convictions.

I'd have a lot more time for Brexit in general and Brexiteers on here in particular if they just stopped making **** up to justify bullshit arguments.

[Damo]

And we'd still be able to access that in the EU.

The first half of the piece is saying that we already get all that through the EU trade agreements.

Making stuff up to justify wrong opinions is **** poor. Its bad enough when kids do it, but when grown adults do it? Who also pretend to vote remain unless they get called names? Not even got the courage of your own convictions.

I'd have a lot more time for Brexit in general and Brexiteers on here in particular if they just stopped making **** up to justify bullshit arguments.

You are slowly turning into imploding charlie

[Lancasterclaret]

Nope!

Come off it Damo, you can read like I can.

I do not have any problem with Brexiteers who want to leave the EU for any other reason that economic. If they want to leave because of economic sunlit uplands, its just as much ******** now as it was in 2016.

I've been pretty consistent from Day One on that.

[Damo]

Nope!

Come off it Damo, you can read like I can.

I do not have any problem with Brexiteers who want to leave the EU for any other reason that economic. If they want to leave because of economic sunlit uplands, its just as much ******** now as it was in 2016.

I've been pretty consistent from Day One on that.

I know you have been pro remain, but I've never seen you so sweary about other people's opinions before.

[Lancasterclaret]

He tried to claim he's might vote leave if people kept taking the **** out of Brexiteers.

No one sane makes decisions based on that. No one.

That sort of stuff does get me a bit riled.

Sadly it treats this a bit of a laugh (which to be fair you could be mistaken if you listen to our MPs), rather than the generation defining stuff it is.

SUPER SERIOUS EDIT - massively annoying as well listening to our elected MPs today, on all sides. This shitshow we are in needs sorting for the benefitof the country. No one wants a "No Deal" WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT ONE IS. Get it sorted, be that a deal or another vote or just us opening a shower door to see Patrick Duffy standing there.

[Imploding Turtle]

You are slowly turning into imploding charlie

It makes me laugh how offended you lot get at swear words.

[Damo]

It makes me laugh how offended you lot get at swear words.

Not offended at all.
It's just usually a sign that you are starting to have a bit of a melt down.
We expect it from you obviously, but Lancaster is usually a lot calmer and accommodating of other board members

[Imploding Turtle]

Not offended at all.
It's just usually a sign that you are starting to have a bit of a melt down.
We expect it from you obviously, but Lancaster is usually a lot calmer and accommodating of other board members

That's one dumb way to look at it.

[Damo]

That's one dumb way to look at it.

Good old Charlie

[Clarets4me]

It makes me laugh how offended you lot get at swear words.

I think it's a generational thing, IT, many of us over 50 were taught that people resorted to swear words when they'd run out of vocabulary, and couldn't think of anything else to say ...

In addition, it should be possible to have a debate, either about Brexit, Burnley's defensive line-up, or Jeff Hendrick's tattoo's without resorting to using swear words. In the interests of inclusiveness, our younger posters and others of all races, gender, ages etc. may find the use of such language off-putting, leading them to feel that they cannot contribute to a debate ....

Lastly, to paraphrase Ron Atkinson, I make it a golden rule never to insult or swear at a Poster on this forum, and I'm not going to break my rule for an opinionated bullying " Bel***d, S**t for Brains, Lefty To***r, " such as yourself !!

Please take this post in the humorous spirit intended !! UTC !!

[Imploding Turtle]

I think it's a generational thing, IT, many of us over 50 were taught that people resorted to swear words when they'd run out of vocabulary, and couldn't think of anything else to say ...

In addition, it should be possible to have a debate, either about Brexit, Burnley's defensive line-up, or Jeff Hendrick's tattoo's without resorting to using swear words. In the interests of inclusiveness, our younger posters and others of all races, gender, ages etc. may find the use of such language off-putting, leading them to feel that they cannot contribute to a debate ....

Lastly, to paraphrase Ron Atkinson, I make it a golden rule never to insult or swear at a Poster on this forum, and I'm not going to break my rule for an opinionated bullying " Bel***d, S**t for Brains, Lefty To***r, " such as yourself !!

Please take this post in the humorous spirit intended !! UTC !!

It makes sense that the older generation who didn't spend time texting and typing would give more of a **** about the vocab they use because it's quicker to speak. But while texting and typing, the younger generation more often communicated via a medium through which it takes longer to "speak", so it makes sense that we use linguistic amplifiers to help put across our points.

Furthermore, I won't be lectured to about language by generations who for years have cried like little bitches over political correctness and censorship.

[aggi]

thats it, becoming a member

That reminds me, you were going to provide some contemporaneous evidence about all the work that Tommy did in stopping grooming gangs. You and a few others, jakubclaret springs to mind, were very definite that he played a very important role but just forgot to provide any evidence when asked.

[PutTheWheelieBinsOut]

Back to Jacob. At least Jacob is a conviction politician, he believes in what he says, just like Margaret Thatcher, Tony Benn and to a lesser extent Jeremy Corbyn.

Tony Benn used to categorise politicians as either ‘signposts’ or ‘weathervanes’. Signposts indicate the way ahead, resolute and unchanging in the face of criticism or challenge. Weathervanes spin on their axis, responding swiftly and unthinkingly to changes in the prevailing wind.

If it wasn't for signposts we wouldn't have had for example the NHS, the weathervanes would have told Aneurin Bevan it was to difficult, it would change to many things, we don't have the money. The weathervanes would have told Clement Atlee that to create a welfare state just after a war was insane and unaffordable.

I've never heard of a 'weathervane' achieving anything remarkable. We have a couple on here who's pin up boys are Nick Clegg and Tony Blair and Guy Verhofstadt. They have no beliefs, they would change nothing, they haven't had an original thought, they are all about focus groups, opinion polls and heaven help anyone that wants to do anything radical because they will attempt to put it down. These people affect nothing because they have no beliefs, they are all about what the experts, the money men and civil servants think.

Now the weathervanes are saying leaving the EU is to risky, they don't believe we can succeed in the world on our own. They want Berlin to make all the big decisions for us. Thank god the 'signposts' didn't agree with them on that 70 & 100 years ago.

[Greenmile]

http://thecommonwealth.org/media/news/t ... ost-brexit

There’s more but I’m not a hardened brexiteer and can’t be bothered.

I never knew the Commonwealth makes up 85% of the world’s markets.

[Greenmile]

And we'd still be able to access that in the EU.

The first half of the piece is saying that we already get all that through the EU trade agreements.

Making stuff up to justify wrong opinions is **** poor. Its bad enough when kids do it, but when grown adults do it? Who also pretend to vote remain unless they get called names? Not even got the courage of your own convictions.

I'd have a lot more time for Brexit in general and Brexiteers on here in particular if they just stopped making **** up to justify bullshit arguments.

In this instance they were making stuff up in order to project their own xenophobia onto remainers. For me, that’s one of the most offensive and transparent “arguments” that brexiters use.

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh, and don't get me started on the "jumping the queue" speech.

I get that a minority in this country are racist dickheads. Why are we pandering to them?

[Lancasterclaret]

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As has been mentioned on here numerous times, the drive to push us towards the perfect Brexit from people who don't live in the real world has inevitable consequences.

Doesn't matter though, its only an expert though?