French Riots

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:43 am

This is what happens when a population gets sick of struggling to feed themselves despite being in employment.

And when riots start you inevitably have the state gets violent right back.

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Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:12 am

Nobody is struggling to feed themselves here mate.

Everybody eats very well actually. Great wine, world's best cheeses & top notch charcuterie.

Unemployment is high, but the unemployed eat well too.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:28 am

Them riot police remind me of them bouncers that attacked the rugby player and his mate

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:15 am

no amount of rioting justifies that, kunts

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:36 am

Not being up too much on all this but would you say the media in England are lapping this up and over sensationalizing to back up their agenda of us leaving the EU? I am not saying things are not bad but from people I know who live in France they have all been downplaying this and putting it firmly at the door of troublemakers

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:39 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Not being up too much on all this but would you say the media in England are lapping this up and over sensationalizing to back up their agenda of us leaving the EU? I am not saying things are not bad but from people I know who live in France they have all been downplaying this and putting it firmly at the door of troublemakers

Somewhere in the middle.

But everybody eats well, I can assure you of that.

The food is excellent, even on a modest job, and I dine out with unemployed people all the time.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:41 am

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Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:52 am

This place very nice too.

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Cheese for dessert, obvs.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:19 am

Rowls wrote:Nobody is struggling to feed themselves here mate.

Everybody eats very well actually. Great wine, world's best cheeses & top notch charcuterie.

Unemployment is high, but the unemployed eat well too.

So why are people rioting?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:28 am

People who I know who went on the protest in Montpellier gave their reasons variously as:

It's fun
For the Revolution
To show Macron who's in charge

None of them are hungry.

I promise you. They all eat very well. Almost certainly better than yourself.

I've heard plenty of reasons why people have joined in the various demonstrations across the country but the hardcore trouble is being caused by the usual rent-a-protester lot. These people are not hungry despite not being in employment.

None of them are hungry.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:29 am

I'm going to have saucisson, cheese and yoghurt for breakfast.

Excuse me whilst I eat very well, despite my modest (but very reasonable) salary.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:31 am

Here's a load of ambulances joining in some kind of protest against Macron:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 1327315968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confident they all ate well before they went on their little bit of action. They're almost certainly French and almost certainly not hungry.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:32 am

Rowls wrote: the hardcore trouble is being caused by the usual rent-a-protester lot. These people are not hungry despite not being in employment.

Let me guess. Soros is paying them, right? lol.

And i'll let you figure out for yourself the obvious contradiction in the passage i've quoted. It's a contradiction arisen from, i sense, an effort to clutch at as many right-wing propaganda points as possible without thinking.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:34 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Let me guess. Soros is paying them, right? lol.

And i'll let you figure out for yourself the obvious contradiction in the passage i've quoted. It's a contradiction arisen from, i sense, an effort to clutch at as many right-wing propaganda points as possible without thinking.

I doubt they're getting paid by Soros and don't know why you think that.

They're normally getting paid by the French state (ie. French taxpayers, including yours truly) and I can assure you that they often aren't working and are certainly not hungry.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:35 am

Rowls wrote:Here's a load of ambulances joining in some kind of protest against Macron:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 1327315968" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm confident they all ate well before they went on their little bit of action. They're almost certainly French and almost certainly not hungry.

Because it's impossible for people to protest on behalf of others, i guess. Especially paramedics who would never take any action in an attempt to help other people.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:35 am

I don't know much about these riots but Im guessing by the positive tone by the media about them and lack of labels being thrown around to describe them they are a left wing mob.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:37 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:And i'll let you figure out for yourself the obvious contradiction in the passage i've quoted. It's a contradiction arisen from, i sense, an effort to clutch at as many right-wing propaganda points as possible without thinking.

Oh! I think I get what you're trying to say.

No, the "contradiction" isn't down to what you attribute - it was just poking fun at your turn of phrase in the OP and your idea that France is full of people who are hungry:

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is what happens when a population gets sick of struggling to feed themselves despite being in employment.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:40 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I don't know much about these riots but Im guessing by the positive tone by the media about them and lack of labels being thrown around to describe them they are a left wing mob.

They often are in France.

The originally gilet jaune fuel protesters were far from left wing but the current outbreak of violence is far more likely to be a far left extremist organisation(s).

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:42 am

But in all seriousness CharlieTurtle you should travel a little and see some more of the world.

It broadens your horizons.

But before you do, just to clear it up:

No, they aren't hungry.
No, they aren't being 'paid by Soros'.

Come out here and sample the cuisine - you'll be glad of it and you won't go hungry or struggle to feed yourself.

HarryPottsDesk · Post by **HarryPottsDesk** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:43 am

The levels of self-satisfaction in Montpellier certainly seem as high as usual.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:43 am

Rowls wrote:They often are in France.

The originally gilet jaune fuel protesters were far from left wing but the current outbreak of violence is far more likely to be a far left extremist organisation(s).

Not surprising.

The media seem to be very much in their corner from the reporting I've seen. Can't imagine that would be the case if it was an immigration protest.

Odd though that lefties would protest tax increases, I thought that was their thing.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:45 am

HarryPottsDesk wrote:The levels of self-satisfaction in Montpellier certainly seem as high as usual.

What makes you say that?

How can you measure it?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:46 am

Rowls wrote:Oh! I think I get what you're trying to say.

No, the "contradiction" isn't down to what you attribute - it was just poking fun at your turn of phrase in the OP and your idea that France is full of people who are hungry:

You think "population" can only refer to an entire nation?

Maybe i could have been more careful and said "poor people" but i honestly never imagined that someone would be so stupid as to think I was saying that the entire nation was starving. But that's my fault for forgetting that trolls and wilfully stupid people exist.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:46 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Odd though that lefties would protest tax increases, I thought that was their thing.

Protesting is their chief 'thing'. They don't need a reason, it's a way of life for them.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:48 am

I must admit, when i see rail fares going up 3.1% in the new year, despite the utterly inadequate service, i do wonder if the average person in Britain could do with shrugging off their collective lack of direct action and f**king s**t up a bit

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:48 am

ClaretMoffitt wrote:I don't know much about these riots but Im guessing by the positive tone by the media about them and lack of labels being thrown around to describe them they are a left wing mob.

People are rioting because there are millions of poor people who are sick of being poor and sick of the people they vote for not doing anything about it.

But i guess being opposed to poverty is a left-wing issue now, eh?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:50 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:You think "population" can only refer to an entire nation?

Maybe i could have been more careful and said "poor people" but i honestly never imagined that someone would be so stupid as to think I was saying that the entire nation was starving. But that's my fault for forgetting that trolls and wilfully stupid people exist.

Charlie mate, this is France. The year is 2018, not 1788.

I can promise you that people are not "struggling to feed themselves".

You should have seen the frigging queues when they opened up a new fried chicken place - I had to wait 2 months before I could get into Popeyes.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:50 am

ZizkovClaret wrote:I must admit, when i see rail fares going up 3.1% in the new year, despite the utterly inadequate service, i do wonder if the average person in Britain could do with shrugging off their collective lack of direct action and f**king s**t up a bit

It'll happen sooner or later. It's the natural consequence of constant and growing corporate oppression.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:50 am

Rowls wrote:You should have seen the frigging queues when they opened up a new fried chicken place - I had to wait 2 months before I could get into Popeyes.

So I suppose the struggle for deep-fried chicken was real, but that was a few months ago now.

Oh, how I toiled for that deep-fried chicken.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:52 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:People are rioting because there are millions of poor people who are sick of being poor and sick of the people they vote for not doing anything about it.

No, Charlie.

They aren't.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:56 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:People are rioting because there are millions of poor people who are sick of being poor and sick of the people they vote for not doing anything about it.

But i guess being opposed to poverty is a left-wing issue now, eh?

I love the left, they vote for a neoliberal ex-banker who is the EUs (a federalist organisation who's sole intention to remove power from the individual and keep it at the top) main leading promoter, and expect him to do things in their best interests lol

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:58 am

Rowls wrote:Charlie mate, this is France. The year is 2018, not 1788.

I can promise you that people are not "struggling to feed themselves".

You should have seen the frigging queues when they opened up a new fried chicken place - I had to wait 2 months before I could get into Popeyes.

With no due respect you have absolutely no credibility. For years on two forums i've seen you be a sycophant for right-wing politicians and their pro-corporate, anti-proletariat policies. You seem like this forum's equivalent of a media talking head on the BBC that the Tories trot out to repeat talking points aimed at stifling discussion and keeping people uninformed.

"I can promise you that people are not "struggling to feed themselves"." is not a comment that would come from someone interested in the discussion, or interested in allowing the discussion to happen. It is a flat denial. An opinion, that is almost certainly untrue, presented as if it is a fact.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:01 am

Charlie mate, where exactly have you got this idea into your head that these riots are somehow about people "struggling to feed themselves"?

Perhaps your source in Burnley is better than mine in France and you can enlighten us all?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:02 am

PS: I've finished off the camembert and onto the charcuterie and comte. Hopefully it'll stave off hunger long enough for me to not find myself rioting before lunchtime.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:07 am

And here's the tripadviser for Popeyes

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Only fair as I plugged the others. TBH Popeye's is far, far inferior but sometimes eating all this wonderful food and wine gets too much and I find myself craving cheap, dirty, deep-fried chicken.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:18 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:With no due respect you have absolutely no credibility. For years on two forums i've seen you be a sycophant for right-wing politicians and their pro-corporate, anti-proletariat policies. You seem like this forum's equivalent of a media talking head on the BBC that the Tories trot out to repeat talking points aimed at stifling discussion and keeping people uninformed.

I don't mean to poke fun but before I go, Charlie, can I just say that this quote of yours (above) might just be my favouritest thing you've ever written on here.

Seriously. EVER.

So I'm sorry for being so disagreeable with you. Perhaps it's because I hadn't had my breakfast and was therefore, y'know, struggling a bit. Struggling to feed myself.

I've eaten now. It's gonna be OK till lunch time. But after that, who knows?

In the meantime, whilst you're helping to educate me all about France I'd be ever so grateful if you could pass on any advice you have on the conjugation of French verbs.

Merci beaucoup mon petite tortue preferee

HarryPottsDesk · Post by **HarryPottsDesk** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:19 am

Plenty of ignorance and complacency too, by the looks of it.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:25 am

Rowls wrote:I don't mean to poke fun but before I go,...

Even when you say you're leaving it doesn't have any credibility. That's how little credibility you have.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:28 am

Seriously, for any other posters who want to know about the food situation in France, there have been TWO food incidents nationally in France since I arrived.

1. The butter shortage of 2017. Government maximum pricing for butter meant it was unprofitable so French farmers sold their milk elsewhere and french customers were left without butter - thanks to government price controls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41766352" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2. The Nutella Riots of January 2018. Yes, UTC - I lived through the Nutella Riots of 2018.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42826028" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And that's as close as France has come to having riots about food since I've been living here.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:44 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Because it's impossible for people to protest on behalf of others, i guess. Especially paramedics who would never take any action in an attempt to help other people.

Sorry I missed this post - it's hilarious!

No, the ambulance protest is not a protest for hunger-by-proxy.

Once again, just want to confirm that nobody is hungry here. It's France for crying out load, not Sudan.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:46 am

Breaking news:

French government to 'suspend' fuel tax rise which sparked riots

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46437904" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The BBC are set to go live to their well-informed French correspondent, Monsieur Tortue Imploser....

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:49 am

"before i go"

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:52 am

You're just too much fun Turtles, me owd mucker.

Bonne journee a toi

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:19 am

breaking news French ---------- blaming some one called Joe but have not the Hart to say his last name

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:39 am

Rowls wrote:Charlie mate, this is France. The year is 2018, not 1788.

I can promise you that people are not "struggling to feed themselves".

In total, around 3.5 million people rely on food banks in France.

One provider, the Banque Alimentaire has over 100 branches in France, serving 200 million meals a year to 1.85 million people.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:36 am

"Nobody is struggling to feed themselves here mate.

Everybody eats very well actually. Great wine, world's best cheeses & top notch charcuterie.

Unemployment is high, but the unemployed eat well too."

Is that tongue in cheek?

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:45 am

Is Rowls really trying to claim that nobody in all of France ever goes hungry?

And this assertion is based on what? The queue outside his local KFC equivalent?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:54 am

Greenmile wrote:Is Rowls really trying to claim that nobody in all of France ever goes hungry?

And this assertion is based on what? The queue outside his local KFC equivalent?

I think he is trying to say, granted in a ham fisted way, that the unrest in France is not about French people starving which Turtle was trying to suggest.

It started off as a very middle class protest against rising fuel prices. The French love a street protest but this one has been well and truly hijacked.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:55 am

This thread is pure Rowls gold.

But fuel prices are a serious problem - lots of people in the UK have plenty of food, but can't afford to turn the oven on or have heating for their home.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:05 am

Come on, the french stage a riot whenever there's an r in the month. It's pretty much a national sport over there. I never take them seriously because it always seems to be because there's nowt on tele.