Nicola Sturgeon

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:10 am

ElectroClaret wrote:Alex Salmond arrested and charged. (BBC)

Such a shame......

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:59 am

I wouldn't worry too much about what Sturgeon wants - she is clearly a bit mad. Even large numbers of Scots think she is bonkers (and I know quite a few). She is obsessed with Scottish independence even though most Scots don't want it. If they had another referendum about it things might change slightly because of Brexit but I still doubt she would win. She is a classic case of someone in power who shouldn't be due to having a personal agenda that is contrary to the wishes and desires of the nation.

I actually don't mind if Scotland became independent as long as we had border controls and they carried their own passports to get through, let them see how long they would last on their own, north sea gas won't last forever. The only down side for this country would be a potentially permanent Tory government (oh FFS no, don't let them have independence on second thoughts).

Chip Harrison · Post by **Chip Harrison** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:56 pm

ontario claret wrote:I don't believe in ANY political party lead by a woman. That's why my sentiments have always been with the LibDems. Oops. There was that Jeremy Thorpe "guy", wasn't there.

Wow. A misogynist and homophobe.

It is 2019 mate.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:05 pm

Taking Scotland out of the EU Referendum results, turns the majority to 53.1% to 46.9% .....

The Scots seem to want to move out of the shadow of English influence, only to be dominated by a Franco/German alliance, and why would the EU be keen on another joining Country that would drain their finances, especially after losing the UK contribution ?

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:35 pm

Fine but Jocks to pay us a significant divorce bill - say 49 billion?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:57 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Alex Salmond arrested and charged. (BBC)

Popcorn time,of course all the cybernats are claiming a stitch-up,wonder if Sturgeon will have to reveal the content of her 'meetings' now.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:05 pm

Alex Salmond charged with two attempted rapes and "multiple sexual assaults."
He denies all charges.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:10 pm

At least we know that NS certainly wasn't one of Rab C's alleged victims,i can't imagine any man parts ever getting anywhere nr Ms Sturgeon,even from that old geezer she married.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:13 pm

You can't help but admire the sheer audacity of the Brexiters on this thread pointing out that the majority of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK, and that independence would be an economic disaster for them (all typed with a straight face, presumably).

Hats off.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:38 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Taking Scotland out of the EU Referendum results, turns the majority to 53.1% to 46.9% .....

The Scots seem to want to move out of the shadow of English influence, only to be dominated by a Franco/German alliance, and why would the EU be keen on another joining Country that would drain their finances, especially after losing the UK contribution ?

Scotland has the fish and the oil, not to mention the whisky, with more possible. It has lots of digital businesses and is an environmentally friendly, nice Eurofriendly nation.

Compare that to England's approach and you might comprehend.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:55 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Alex Salmond charged with two attempted rapes and "multiple sexual assaults."
He denies all charges.

Oh dear.

I wonder what Jimmy Krankie will be thinking about her mentor now?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:12 pm

IanMcL wrote:Scotland has the fish and the oil, not to mention the whisky, with more possible.

There are more distilleries in England than Scotland.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:27 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:At least we know that NS certainly wasn't one of Rab C's alleged victims,i can't imagine any man parts ever getting anywhere nr Ms Sturgeon,even from that old geezer she married.

Speak for yerself big fella...I'd bone her.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:46 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:The Russians would be all over that airspace, Scotland has no airforce so would need an ‘agreement’ with the UK. It has no marine forces so would need an agreement with the UK to protect its borders. She could convince the French to step in and take that responsibility but they’ll be too busy protecting their fishing fleet that’s being bombed into oblivion by the Royal Navy.

There would surely be a share of the various military assets. Some airforce, army and navy stuff (not nuclear subs presumably). Afterall, they've also paid for it.

England would need to find a good home for our nuclear deterrent - not sure where that could be. Similarly for large warship construction we would need to develop Portsmouth Navy Yard I presume.

As for Russian activity, I've often thought 'why don't we just ignore their buzzing off Scotland'. They'd probably go away. They are not going to fly over our land as it would cause a diplomatic incident at the very least.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:40 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Has said live on TV outside Downing Street that it is her intention to demand a New Scottish Independence Vote within weeks.
She also wants a 2nd EU Referendum in an attempt to keep the UK in the EU, buts wants to leave the UK and initially that EU membership.
Surely it is the case that the Scottish Vote would have to be first, or how could Scottish votes be included in an EU vote for the UK if they then voted for independence from the UK within weeks of it.
That woman makes me want to vote for Scottish independence and surely if they vote on a UK matter we can vote on a Scottish matter, only fair.

Quite right about us having a vote on Scottish matters
If that was the case then due to the attitude of this very partisan woman the English would surely give her her wish for Scottish independence. Another hard border.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:44 pm

IanMcL wrote:Scotland has the fish and the oil, not to mention the whisky, with more possible. It has lots of digital businesses and is an environmentally friendly, nice Eurofriendly nation.

Compare that to England's approach and you might comprehend.

Ah what rubbish. Where do you people get it from? Have you been on the whisky?

icu81b4 · Post by **icu81b4** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:49 pm

As an Englishman, I'd rather have a Scot fighting alongside me than against me, I don't think NS has excelled in relations between our proud countries but from a Great Britain perspective I think we are better together.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:37 pm

Hipper wrote:There would surely be a share of the various military assets. Some airforce, army and navy stuff (not nuclear subs presumably). Afterall, they've also paid for it.

England would need to find a good home for our nuclear deterrent - not sure where that could be. Similarly for large warship construction we would need to develop Portsmouth Navy Yard I presume.

As for Russian activity, I've often thought 'why don't we just ignore their buzzing off Scotland'. They'd probably go away. They are not going to fly over our land as it would cause a diplomatic incident at the very least.

Why would we share resources? They want an independent Scotland, they’re leaving, we’ve got the negotiation high ground. They have very little to bargain with and we know this. It’d be Barrow I’d guess, but I am sure we wouldn’t lose our bases in Scotland.

We don’t ignore it because that piece of water is highly strategic to not only is but also our allies and the USA. We can effectively control the Atlantic.

Squiff · Post by **Squiff** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:45 pm

If she wants indipendence, she should let us vote to see if we want shut of them, she might just get what she wants that way.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:53 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:You can't help but admire the sheer audacity of the Brexiters on this thread pointing out that the majority of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK, and that independence would be an economic disaster for them (all typed with a straight face, presumably).

Hats off.

We could also point out with a straight face that the UK is a large net contributor to the EU, while Scotland is a large net recipient from the UK. Or, and still with a straight face, that the majority of the UK's exports do not go to the EU. Or we could also point out, with straight face even now, that only one person on this thread has predicted economic disaster for Scotland.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:58 pm

dsr wrote:We could also point out with a straight face that the UK is a large net contributor to the EU, while Scotland is a large net recipient from the UK. Or, and still with a straight face, that the majority of the UK's experts do not go to the EU. Or we could also point out, with straight face even now, that only one person on this thread has predicted economic disaster for Scotland.

Who would pay for Scotlands free university education and Hospital car parking after Joxit.....

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:27 pm

dsr wrote:We could also point out with a straight face that the UK is a large net contributor to the EU, while Scotland is a large net recipient from the UK. Or, and still with a straight face, that the majority of the UK's experts do not go to the EU. Or we could also point out, with straight face even now, that only one person on this thread has predicted economic disaster for Scotland.

It doesn't fit his weird obsession that according to him, over half of people in Britain are racists for voting leave.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:25 am

Bosscat wrote:Who would pay for Scotlands free university education and Hospital car parking after Joxit.....

I’m campaigning that Joxit is adopted if this comes around, brilliant!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:52 am

Better together definitely

Course, what we are going through at the moment with leaving the EU is a cakewalk compared to what a Scotland-UK break up would be.

And regarding the oil, the Shetlands regard Edinburgh as the same as London, so to assume they want to be part of an independent Scotland is something that was mentioned more than once in the last referendum.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:15 am

Rileybobs wrote:There are more distilleries in England than Scotland.

But they cannot produce Scotch whisky!

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:40 am

IanMcL wrote:But they cannot produce Scotch whisky!

Does anyone still drink Scotch Whiskey?

I can't remember the last time I saw anybody drinking it in a pub or asking for it in a round.
The odd Jack Daniels maybe but never traditional whiskey including Scotch.

Maybe it's a home drink?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:43 am

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:Why would we share resources? They want an independent Scotland, they’re leaving, we’ve got the negotiation high ground. They have very little to bargain with and we know this. It’d be Barrow I’d guess, but I am sure we wouldn’t lose our bases in Scotland.

We don’t ignore it because that piece of water is highly strategic to not only is but also our allies and the USA. We can effectively control the Atlantic.

I've thought a bit more about this and I think the military consideration is the primary reason why we are better off with Scotland in the UK and it is to our detriment if they leave.

We think of ourselves still as a world power, and we are. We are on the UN Security Council, have nuclear weapons, and a still pretty effective overseas capability and reputation. I presume we want to keep this. Scotland, both in it's land, facilities and financial contributions is pretty essential to this stance.

Scotland as a small country don't need a worldwide military capability. All they need is offshore patrol vessels and search and rescue equipment. What do they need submarines, or modern fighter jets, for? For England itself, we would not want a Scottish land dominated by a hostile power (as in the past with the threat from France or Spain) so we would still need some plan for preventing this, with or without Scotland's co-operation. It would cost the rest of the UK proportionally more to prepare for this, on top of trying to keep up our worldwide commitments. Of course it is possible that an independent Scotland would be willing to lease us facilities, such as RAF Lossiemouth. It might even be in their best interests although politically I'm not so sure.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:47 am

One of the big reasons for the SNP suddenly becoming a lot more popular was their decision to scrap leaving NATO.

Scotland would still be in NATO, and hence would still have to some military capacity (think in the last manifesto before independence it was around 2 x frigates plus others, but can't remember anymore than that)

Basically, Scotland is an absolutely crucial part of NATO because of its geographic locations for covering the Atlantic.

Course, you could draw your own conclusions why Alex Salmonds TV show was only picked up by Russia Today, even the SNP thought it was a terrible idea.

Chuckypad · Post by **Chuckypad** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:43 am

This thread is useless without pictures

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:44 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:Does anyone still drink Scotch Whiskey?

I can't remember the last time I saw anybody drinking it in a pub or asking for it in a round.
The odd Jack Daniels maybe but never traditional whiskey including Scotch.

Maybe it's a home drink?

It is defo a home drink and a large growth sector for retailers - especially supermarkets.
Younger people go for JD, gin, spumante etc whilst out drinking.
Whisky (or Irish whiskey) is an older man's tipple but when in the pub he's probably more likely to sup cask ale.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Scotland has no armed forces but neither does England, or Wales or Northern Ireland.

There is a British Army, a Royal Navy with Royal Marines and a Royal Air Force.

It would take longer than Brexit to divvy up the Armed Forces.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:45 pm

JohnMac wrote:Scotland has no armed forces but neither does England, or Wales or Northern Ireland.

There is a British Army, a Royal Navy with Royal Marines and a Royal Air Force.

It would take longer than Brexit to divvy up the Armed Forces.

A British Anything is dependent on you remaining British.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:55 pm

Agreed but to then try to cede Scottish Regiments to Scotland won't work because they aren't manned solely by Scots. 45 Commando and attached elements are based in Arbroath but aren't a Scottish unit.

It would take years to switch personnel around and even that would be after voting from said personnel.

Someone would end up arguing that many of the voters were no longer serving.

I am going to self destruct in 90 seconds...

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:06 pm

Or perhaps, we operate our current policy of having foreign domestic regiments.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:07 pm

JohnMac wrote:Agreed but to then try to cede Scottish Regiments to Scotland won't work because they aren't manned solely by Scots. 45 Commando and attached elements are based in Arbroath but aren't a Scottish unit.

It would take years to switch personnel around and even that would be after voting from said personnel.

Someone would end up arguing that many of the voters were no longer serving.

I am going to self destruct in 90 seconds...

Also, she couldn’t afford them anyway.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:08 pm

Bit of a difference between the Gurkhas and the Black Watch though!

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:13 pm

Agreed there is. We’re not forcing this referendum, Scotland is.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:20 pm

Hope you are not a fan of Brexit with that way of looking at it Dan!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:26 pm

JohnMac wrote:Agreed but to then try to cede Scottish Regiments to Scotland won't work because they aren't manned solely by Scots. 45 Commando and attached elements are based in Arbroath but aren't a Scottish unit.

It would take years to switch personnel around and even that would be after voting from said personnel.

Someone would end up arguing that many of the voters were no longer serving.

I am going to self destruct in 90 seconds...

Personnel switches would happen instantaneously, I would have thought. There will be a heck of a lot of people with the option of Scottish citizenship, English citizenship, or dual nationality;' and the ones who select Scottish are likely to be out of the UK army, and vice versa. Then they will have to rearrange the regiments on an ad hoc basis, taking into account how many English and how many Scots remain in each; people would have to switch regiments. It would also depend on the size of armed forces the Scots wanted; if the Scottish regiments were due to be scaled back, for example, there may be en masse dual nationality registrations and the Coldstream Guard remains UK.

Danieljwaterhouse · Post by **Danieljwaterhouse** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Hope you are not a fan of Brexit with that way of looking at it Dan!

I did vote leave, sadly I did it with my eyes open knowing the EU would have our pants down

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:24 pm

IanMcL wrote:The several spelling mistakes suggests you don't really know much about anything, so have to resort to silly insults.

Wow I hadn't realized this was an English language forum professor!!!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Does anyone still drink Scotch Whiskey?

No one.

The whole world craves Scotch whisky...much will be consumed this very day.

Had some with my gravy earlier!

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:49 pm

Stayingup wrote:Wow I hadn't realized this was an English language forum professor!!!

Must be a recent joiner!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:22 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Alex Salmond charged with two attempted rapes and "multiple sexual assaults."
He denies all charges.

Continuing to present his RT television programme in the meantime.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47016694

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:03 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Bit of a difference between the Gurkhas and the Black Watch though!

Gurkhas don't wear skirts

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:25 am

Sturgeon and Salmond are just chancers, Third rate politicians Who’ve headed a single issue party. The SNP have failed massively with their domestic policy whilst constantly trying to manoeuvre independence and grievance at every possible opportunity.

The only reason the SNP have gotten a sniff of power is because of labours implosion, particularly after Mr Blair steamed into Iraq. They will be back in their box at the next election.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:28 pm

Nippy needs to concentrate on getting the Scottish government's budget passed this week before starting the gun on another indy ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-47028223

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:01 pm

She'll be fine on all fronts.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:52 pm

Go for it, as long as we can build a new and improved Hadrian's wall on the northern border!

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:10 am

CoolClaret wrote:Go for it, as long as we can build a new and improved Hadrian's wall on the northern border!

Ask the Yanks for a loan, it looks like they aren't going to need the money over there. They can send a shed load of wall builders over as well.