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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:39 am

Darthlaw wrote:Lancaster - legally we can negotiate deals, however how do you negotiate them when you have no idea when they can kick in? Until we have a date for separation then we can't put any plans in place.

Imagine you're separating from your Mrs but she won't divorce you. How do you plan to marry the next Mrs Lancaster, when the first one refuses to let go? Of course you can start to make the arrangements but you can't actually ratify it unless the old partner lets you go.
Of course, I suspect he knows this Darthlaw but that's the problem with Remainers - having lost the debate and referendum they have never found the courage to accept what is obvious and self-evident to most people.

I think there were slightly better reasons for leaving the EU but there were also some very good reasons why we might have wanted to stay.

However, the EU's record on trade deals is not one of them.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 am

Rowls wrote:OK, let's bite. Let's go round the circle again.

I think 2 possibly set up & ready to go.

But how many deals do you think it feasible to set up before we know what kind of restriction our old EU membership will place on our future? We don't yet know if we are still going to be entangled in membership of the customs union or the regulations to the single market.

Don't you realise how ridiculous your argument is? - You're trying to fight your battle on 100% win territory for the Leave side!

So you think that because we -currently- don't have many trade deals that this is a bad thing? Then why on earth would you support an entity like the EU? The EU is chronically incapable of trade deals outside its own customs union. It takes them years and years and years to strike deals that independent nations can draw up in months. Many of the EU's attempted deals collapse unfinished because the EU cannot agree on what it wants.

You really think that arguing on trade deals is a strong point for a Remainer?

You're as daft as the blokes I overheard in the pub during the referendum campaign bemoaning that fact that we would "lose EU grants" if we left the EU!

I started this thread just to point out how tiresome and silly so much of the Remain argument had become.

I'd like to thank you for contributing with such good grace.
Here's some Remainers calling for a second referendum whilst wearing faceless masks (for some reason)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:44 am

Four

Chile (good), Faroes Islands, NZ (ready to go I think) and Switzerland (6.4% of trade so excellent)

None with the EU countries who make up the majority of our trade haven't been done.

The 15% of our trade that relies on EU negotiated deals with the rest of the world won't roll over on March 29th despite that being promised.

Japan is waiting to make sure that the trade deal is worse than the one it signed with the EU because its got more clout.

We all know that the US can't wait to back us into a corner.

Andrew Neil tweeted yesterday that the 3.9% drop in investment (biggest since 2010) was down to Brexit.

I have to be honest, the two years grace that Mays agreement gives us will allow us more time to negotiate these deals which are absolutely crucial to the UK economy.

One thing we cannot afford is a "No Deal". We are not ready.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:45 am

And if we can't sign these deals Rowls and darth because we don't know when we are leaving, how have we signed them?

Thats the problem with Brexiteers, too quick to do stuff without doing proper checks! :-)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:47 am

One thing those pics of remainers protesting does show Rowls.

Can you tell me what is compared to those Brexiteers in the yellow vests?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:And if we can't sign these deals Rowls and darth because we don't know when we are leaving, how have we signed them?

Thats the problem with Brexiteers, too quick to do stuff without doing proper checks! :-)
So you're not against Brexit? You just wish we'd done better in the negotiations and preparations?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:One thing those pics of remainers protesting does show Rowls.

Can you tell me what is compared to those Brexiteers in the yellow vests?
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What?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:51 am

Non-violent

I'm against Brexit, but accept the result. What I don't accept is a "No Deal".

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:54 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Non-violent

I'm against Brexit, but accept the result. What I don't accept is a "No Deal".
Ah, you're from the Jeremy Corbyn school of negotiation I see.

"Yes, we'd like the best possible deal please. But we're not prepared to walk away so we'll have to accept something."

Cunning.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:55 am

Here's a Brexit supporter advocating for Brexit with a big swastika on the side of his house

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and one doing a Nazi salute

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I'm not really sure what the relevance to the wider debate is but Rowls seems to be enjoying himself so I thought I'd join in.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:57 am

Darthlaw wrote:Lancaster - legally we can negotiate deals, however how do you negotiate them when you have no idea when they can kick in? Until we have a date for separation then we can't put any plans in place.

Imagine you're separating from your Mrs but she won't divorce you. How do you plan to marry the next Mrs Lancaster, when the first one refuses to let go? Of course you can start to make the arrangements but you can't actually ratify it unless the old partner lets you go.
The date has been enshrined in law for at least 188 months now with the PM consistently refusing to consider changing it. How much more certain does it need to be?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:58 am

Not at all

I'd just like some information on all these wonderful trade deals we can get that we don't already have. I know just enough to know that the bigger the economy, the bigger the clout. That might be an issue.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:06 pm

aggi wrote:Here's a Brexit supporter advocating for Brexit with a big swastika on the side of his house

and one doing a Nazi salute

I'm not really sure what the relevance to the wider debate is but Rowls seems to be enjoying himself so I thought I'd join in.
Knock yourself out and join the fun. Far more fun than going round in circles with Lancaster claret. :)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:08 pm

martin_p wrote:The date has been enshrined in law for at least 188 months now with the PM consistently refusing to consider changing it. How much more certain does it need to be?
You've misunderstood martin. It's not the fact that the date is "enshrined in law", it's the fact that the future terms of the relationship between the EU isn't set anywhere.

It's like hot jelly.

Wholly un-set.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:11 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I know just enough to know that the bigger the economy, the bigger the clout. That might be an issue.
Massive economies!

Like.... Costa Rica, Singapore, Peru....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... Costa_Rica" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 pm

... El Salvador, Guatemala, Jordan, Nicaragua....

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:15 pm

This is the state of the EU's trade negotiations:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EU_FTAs.svg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Rowls » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pm

This, for comparison, is Costa Rica's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... a_Rica.svg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

However did a country as small as Costa Rica get all those free trade agreements done if the size of the economy is anything to do with it?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:27 pm

martin_p wrote:The date has been enshrined in law for at least 188 months now with the PM consistently refusing to consider changing it. How much more certain does it need to be?
With campaigns for second referendums and amendments to delay brexit flying about I'd say it needs to be absolutely certain which, right now, it is anything but.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I know just enough to know that the bigger the economy, the bigger the clout. That might be an issue.
This exactly, when it comes to negotiating. The bigger ones will be less tolerant of 'floating' deadlines. Not to say that negotiations arent underway of course.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:no one forces anyone into a No Deal scenario. This is 100% self inflicted.

That is 100% unarguable

We currently have the best deal possible with the EU.

We are losing that, and that is our fault. It is not, cannot be, never will be, the fault of the EU, or remainers, or the remoaner elite, or anything else.

It is our fault. Once you accept that , you then move on to the EU founding principles.

Once you've understood them, then you understand the deal that was promised (and even the one we are trying to do now) is never going to pass. I know that, again, it only takes a tiny bit of reading to understand that.

We are leaving them. We need them more than they need us, and its up to us to make sure that this is as painless as possible.

If its as painful as its possible to be, then I'll be blaming people like you who refuse to accept that they are wrong and refuse to do any research that might prove them wrong.

The politicians we have are representatives of our democracy. Far too many of them are like you (ie incapable of admitting that they are wrong and they don't know enough about it).
You're paranoid, it's quite sad.

You say we have the best deal possible. ********.
We have the best deal they are willing to offer, at this time. There is a real possibility that they won't move any further, but to suggest they can't.....
Fault, is it a fault to want to go your own way, make your own path in the world. They might not agree, but fault. You make it sound like we've committed a crime. Besides why would anyone want to belong to a club that PUNISHES members if they want to leave. We aren't members, we're prisoners. Just like Greece.
The only thing I agree with you , and everyone else, is that the government has made a pigs ear of the whole issue, both in negotiations and in preparations for leaving.

We don't need them more than they need us. We need each other, but we are in a better situation than they are. As already explained, although you chose not to answer.....How can tarrifs hurt us more than them, when we trade less with Europe, than they do with us. We are free to fill the holes by making deals of our own with other countries , they cant. They are stuck with the deals already struck. We will have a £39billion bonus to bolster the economy short term. They will have a £39billion hole to fill, when countries across Europe are in recession, and Italian banks are about to go tits up.

As for research, research what. I've explained many times, research is opinion, not facts. For every piece of research you produce that states A, I can find another that states B.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:21 pm

Research is worth doing. period. You will find 1,000 pieces of research that back up my position as opposed to ten that back up yours.

Not paranoid by the way, just sick of idiots who are repeating the same lies, the same incorrect information, time after time after time after time after time after time after time after time.

I mean, for ***** sake you daft person

- £39 billion lie - you still spreading it
- "Stuck with the deals they have already stuck" - which are better for trade than the ones we can get, for reasons you don't appear to want to understand
- "prisoners just like Greece" -

I mean, you are making it up as you go along without a care in the world. Its actually quite sad just how much you appear to ignore reality.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:36 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: You like me, haven't a clue who is going to get hit the hardest, no bloody idea. .
I've kept out of this for a while as we're going round in circles, but I've simply got to challenge you on this.
Can you think of any example at any point in history when the richest have been harder hit than the poorest when the economy takes a hit, (be it short term or for an extended period / be it a major financial crash or a temporary slowdown in the economy.)
Can you think of one example where Rees-Mogg and his family would suffer financial hardship if - as predicted food prices go up?
It takes just a minor rise in food/ fuel prices to push the poorest over the edge, and the way things have been going I don't see there being any support coming from central government to keep these (often hardworking) families afloat.
Oh, and to cover another of your points. Where statistically are most of the poorer communities? The north.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:57 pm

Put a link up to a New York Times article on here (so not remotely biased).

Its going to hit the north hardest, and the poor hardest of all.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:14 pm

martin_p wrote:This is what I don’t understand about the Brexiteer position. On one hand they won’t support May’s deal because we’ll be trapped in the backstop forever, a backstop that is only activated if we haven’t agreed a trade deal by the end of 2020, then on the other hand argue deals can be wrapped up in a matter of weeks if we go no deal.
The backstop will not only be activated if we haven’t agreed a trade deal by the end of 2020.

The backstop will be activated also if the trade deal doesn’t align ourselves sufficiently with the EU in many ways, such as regulations and tariffs. So for example, were we to have a free trade deal with the EU, and another with the US, the EU would panic that we could send US chickens south into Ireland. So, any divergence from the status quo by having a trade arrangement different to the present will require the backstop.

That is why it is unacceptable. Logic would say that various solutions such as trusted traders and other arrangements when pooled together should do the job. The EU though isn’t using logic (let’s not forget there are other unpoliced land borders crossing the customs union boundary, such as in Cyprus where the Turkish bit has an opt out from EU law).

As for the “matter of weeks” bit, it isn’t hard to imagine a scenario whereby the Commons or the EU refuse to extend A50 but the Commons or Lords refuse to vote for a deal. That could remedy itself within days of a no deal exit. Even if it doesn’t there will then be some mini-deals to limit any damage. As I said though, the brinkmanship could backfire.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:17 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:The backstop will not only be activated if we haven’t agreed a trade deal by the end of 2020.

The backstop will be activated also if the trade deal doesn’t align ourselves sufficiently with the EU in many ways, such as regulations and tariffs. So for example, were we to have a free trade deal with the EU, and another with the US, the EU would panic that we could send US chickens south into Ireland. So, any divergence from the status quo by having a trade arrangement different to the present will require the backstop.
You’re making stuff up again.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:19 pm

Surely regulations wise we have to be either EU centric or US centric?

It would be beyond mental to think that one 3,000 miles away would make more sense than one 20 miles away surely?

And the Brexit view of the backstop is a bit weird it has to be said.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:35 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I've kept out of this for a while as we're going round in circles, but I've simply got to challenge you on this.
Can you think of any example at any point in history when the richest have been harder hit than the poorest when the economy takes a hit, (be it short term or for an extended period / be it a major financial crash or a temporary slowdown in the economy.)
Can you think of one example where Rees-Mogg and his family would suffer financial hardship if - as predicted food prices go up?
It takes just a minor rise in food/ fuel prices to push the poorest over the edge, and the way things have been going I don't see there being any support coming from central government to keep these (often hardworking) families afloat.
Oh, and to cover another of your points. Where statistically are most of the poorer communities? The north.
I understand where your logic is coming from, but there is no proof, just a likelihood. But an awful lot more companies who export to the continent are based down South than there are in the North, for logistics of transport. Therefore it could be argued that IF there is a hit to exports it's more likely to affect companies down South.
Food prices are reported to be artificially high due to being a member of the EU, and the only reports I've read, suggest that food prices are more likely to drop than rise.
Can't argue about Rees Mogg, but do you think Junker or Tusk or Macron are any different when the EU hits a crisis.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:37 pm

and the only reports I've read,
Great, share them with us!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:02 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: The backstop will be activated also if the trade deal doesn’t align ourselves sufficiently with the EU in many ways, such as regulations and tariffs. So for example, were we to have a free trade deal with the EU, and another with the US, the EU would panic that we could send US chickens south into Ireland. So, any divergence from the status quo by having a trade arrangement different to the present will require the backstop.
Do you have a link for this? It was a while ago that I read the detail on this and don't remember anything like what you're suggesting.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Great, share them with us!
There was this one https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/sta ... 7057942529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Strangely not on the Sun website anymore after the numbers were found to be less than accurate.

Or this one https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2900015/f ... ers-claim/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which was also full of inaccuracies but is surprisingly still up (my favourite definitely being that Prosecco, which by definition comes from the EU, will be cheaper after Brexit).

(Obviously this is all ignoring the impact of the drop in the pound.)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:48 pm

That is the only one I saw as well. Completely debunked straight away by just about everyone.

Its got to be utter rubbish if even the sun takes it down off its website.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:56 pm

Carney big's up the benefits of free trade deals, who'd have thought it ?


Britain could lead the world into a new era of democracy and free trade, using the Brexit revolt against the establishment as a springboard to making the global order more cooperative, accountable and prosperous, according to the Governor of the Bank of England.

The current system of global trade has key flaws including wealth and income inequality, a lack of democracy and trust, and serious financial imbalances, Mark Carney warned on Tuesday.

However, in a sharp departure from the Governor's "project fear" warnings of the past three years, Mr Carney said Brexit has the potential to upend these issues and provide the opportunity to create a new way of running the world.

“In many respects, Brexit is the first test of a new global order and could prove the acid test of whether a way can be found to broaden the benefits of openness while enhancing democratic accountability," he said in a speech hosted by the Financial Times.

“Brexit can lead to a new form of international cooperation and cross-border commerce built on a better balance of local and supranational authorities.”

Mr Carney set out a vision of increased free trade of services - one of the UK economy's strengths.

This could rebalance the system more fairly for economies with big services sectors, sharing the gains of globalisation more widely.

Brexit could lead the world in creating a new system of global trade which is more equitable and democratic, Mark Carney said - but there are also risks which could crush trade and harm the economy Similarly, increased use of digital technologies could open the way for even small businesses to serve customers globally, spreading prosperity further.

“Freer trade in services can help to resolve external imbalances, " Mr Carney said. "With barriers to services trade currently up to three times higher than those for goods, the Bank estimates that eliminating this differential could reduce the excess deficits of the US by up to one third and of the UK by up to one half."

“Freer trade for SMEs and services would spread the benefits of global markets much more widely than traditional, more multinational-based free trade in goods. SMEs employ 60pc of workers. More women work in services than men. The digital revolution could help to ensure trade is available to the smallest companies as well as the largest.”

Such moves could even help address the democratic shortfall in the current system, he said, shifting from “prescriptive supranational rules” - such as those set out by the EU - to “more differentiated, national approaches to achieve common outcomes”.


The Governor cited post-crisis action in financial services as an example, where the G20 agreed common goals and systems for cooperation, but allowed each nation to implement the rules in its own way.

None of this is guaranteed to happen, however.

“It is possible that new rules of the road will be developed for a more inclusive and resilient global economy. At the same time, there is a risk that countries turn inwards, undercutting growth and prosperity for all,” Mr Carney said.

“Concerns over this possibility are already impairing investment, jobs and growth, creating a dynamic that could become self-fulfilling.”

He pointed to business investment as evidence of this, adding that it has not grown at all since the referendum was called.

Similarly the US-China trade war, itself in part an expression of dissatisfaction with the existing system, threatens to trash global economic growth.


Although the Governor expects the current economic slowdown to stabilise later this year, the trade spat is a key risk.

“Protectionism appears already to be having an impact. Last year trade growth lagged the growth of global activity, and current global export PMIs [private sector surveys] now signal a contraction in global trade,” he said.

So far the trade war has largely affected the US and China, but he said bigger tariffs would have a more significant effect on global growth overall.

“There are signs that concerns about such possibilities are beginning to cascade through economies via reduced investment and demand,” Mr Carney said.

This could even lead to an economic crunch the likes of which has not been seen since the 1970s if a “more permanent disruption to global trade” hammers the world economy’s capacity to supply goods and services.

The result would be slower growth, higher interest rates and increased pressure on indebted companies, families and government, he added.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... ree-trade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:01 pm

Rowls wrote:Well Lancs, here's my final post today because this debate has been going round and round for a long time now....
:lol:

About as honest as the rest of Rowls’ posts on this thread.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Great, share them with us!
I'll share them when you share the proof that a No Deal Brexit is bad for us, but isn't going to affect Europe.
Oh, had you forgot that one......

Thought not

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:28 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I'll share them when you share the proof that a No Deal Brexit is bad for us, but isn't going to affect Europe.
Oh, had you forgot that one......
We've heard that argument so many times and essentially it comes down to the same answer.
Whatever hit the EU takes is divided by 27, whereas the UK takes the full hit. Meanwhile the 27 will continue to operate as before whilst we stockpile food and medicines, secure our borders, seek out new deals, security arrangements, and so many other things.
Now imagine it were one of the other 27 leaving with potentially "no deal". As one of the remaining 27 how much do you think we would be panicking or concerned? Not much, in fact our tabloid press would most likely be having a laugh.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:49 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:We've heard that argument so many times and essentially it comes down to the same answer.
Whatever hit the EU takes is divided by 27, whereas the UK takes the full hit. Meanwhile the 27 will continue to operate as before whilst we stockpile food and medicines, secure our borders, seek out new deals, security arrangements, and so many other things.
Now imagine it were one of the other 27 leaving with potentially "no deal". As one of the remaining 27 how much do you think we would be panicking or concerned? Not much, in fact our tabloid press would most likely be having a laugh.
On a day to day basis, what do you essentially need from the EU that you couldn’t get within the UK? I can’t think of 1 thing not as an essential.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:53 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:On a day to day basis, what do you essentially need from the EU that you couldn’t get within the UK? I can’t think of 1 thing not as an essential.
I'll start with electricity.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:54 pm

aggi wrote:I'll start with electricity.
We don’t need it, we could live without it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:We don’t need it, we could live without it.
I thought brexit was taking us back 40 years, not 140! :lol:
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:00 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I thought brexit was taking us back 40 years, not 140! :lol:
I’m not saying life would be easy without electricity, if the EU provided water I’d be worried, that’s what you need to ask yourself though what do we essentially need in order to survive.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:20 pm

aggi wrote:There was this one https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/sta ... 7057942529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Strangely not on the Sun website anymore after the numbers were found to be less than accurate.

Or this one https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2900015/f ... ers-claim/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which was also full of inaccuracies but is surprisingly still up (my favourite definitely being that Prosecco, which by definition comes from the EU, will be cheaper after Brexit).

(Obviously this is all ignoring the impact of the drop in the pound.)
Loving the first one from The Sun that ignores basic maths. Something that costs £2 with a 50% tariff costs just £1 without it. Primary school children would ce calling that one out!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:22 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:I’m not saying life would be easy without electricity, if the EU provided water I’d be worried, that’s what you need to ask yourself though what do we essentially need in order to survive.
As long as there are less foreigners here I can’t think that any reasonable person wouldn’t be happy to live without electricity.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:25 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Besides why would anyone want to belong to a club that PUNISHES members if they want to leave.


Being denied membership benefits when we're no longer a member is not a punishment.
Colburn_Claret wrote:We aren't members, we're prisoners. Just like Greece.


Embarrassing.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:I’m not saying life would be easy without electricity, if the EU provided water I’d be worried, that’s what you need to ask yourself though what do we essentially need in order to survive.
FFS.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:I’m not saying life would be easy without electricity, if the EU provided water I’d be worried, that’s what you need to ask yourself though what do we essentially need in order to survive.
Leave really missed a trick here.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:33 pm

aggi wrote:Leave really missed a trick here.

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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/essential" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Suggest you & Mr McGreal digest the meaning of the word.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:23 pm

martin_p wrote:As long as there are less foreigners here I can’t think that any reasonable person wouldn’t be happy to live without electricity.


Now we won’t have as many people in the country, we can use this land to create wood for the Drax biomass boilers and also create nuclear power stations.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:26 pm

Mrs Maybe or Maybe not is back and still trying to play things around the corner flag:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:36 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Now we won’t have as many people in the country, we can use this land to create wood for the Drax biomass boilers and also create nuclear power stations.
Ok, just as long as it doesn’t take much longer than six weeks to implement we’re sorted!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:43 pm

martin_p wrote:Ok, just as long as it doesn’t take much longer than six weeks to implement we’re sorted!
Biomass is the future, combined with fracking, we won't need gas or electric from anywhere else, and they aren't going to stop supplying us as soon as we leave, we will transfer over to our own supply slowly.

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