Trump Inauguration

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Protesters of Trump are an embarrassment.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:38 pm

not sure that caused the great depession , think it caused by the banks lending money against stocks that kept going up. when they went down the cards folded bit like the modern banks and austerity.
Bankers should have been jailed for what they did.

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:44 pm

A detailed pre-postmortem by the anthropologist Maximilian Forte

The Dying Days of Liberalism
How Orthodoxy, Professionalism, and Unresponsive Politics Finally Doomed a 19th-century Project

"Liberal democracy has been reduced to a shell, more a name than a fact that deserves the name....

..Obama oversaw the rapid acceleration of wealth transfer, and heightened domestic poverty, and then he is praised by pseudo-left liberal scholars and writers for having “governed well” and doing so with a professional, graceful demeanour.....

...neoliberal economists work on a simple assumption: the theory is always right, it’s the people who are wrong. How would these mandarins explain the “goodness” of a neoliberal project under Obama, that produced the following results as recorded mostly by the US Federal Reserve? This is Obama’s domestic socio-economic “legacy,” summarized:

(1) a decline in family incomes
(2) lower civilian labour force participation rates
(3) lower home ownership rates
(4) an increase in the number of people on food stamps (SNAP)
(5) increased health premiums.....(Health Premiums have climbed $4865 since Obama promised to cut them by $2500)
(6) increased student debt
(7) increased income inequality for African-Americans
(8) an increase in printing money...
(9) a massive rise in the public debt

Samuel Dinsmoor’s “Crucifixion of Labor,” showing Doctor, Lawyer, Preacher and Banker crucifying Labour.

...Today the professional class, the upholders of a dying liberalism, can be heard in the media crying about an imaginary Russian intervention. Not that they have suddenly joined the ranks of anti-imperialists: they were silent on the more than 80 foreign elections in which the US has interfered, not to mention the dozens of US-backed coups, not to mention that the US has an institutional infrastructure dedicated to foreign intervention, armed with decades of policies, laws, and strategy documents steering the course and depth of political intervention abroad.."

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ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:48 pm

What's the point of post-secondary education when there are no jobs? I know. It makes us better citizens. That's all about to come to an end.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:58 pm

You can't protest Trump, because he just used the system as it exists. Some of these people need to get in touch with reality. Bet you the vast majority work at some level of government.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:00 pm

Sorry. "Work at government". An oxymoron. Better. Spend time on the payroll of government.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:03 pm

People complaining about people peacefully protesting are an embarrassment.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:10 pm

People complaining about people complaining about people protesting are an embarrassment.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:10 pm

"Buy American and hire American"

"Any new trade deals will be in the interests of America and American workers"

Brexit trade deals looking very distant indeed with an isolationist and protectionist president who hates the prospect of global trade deals.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:12 pm

People complaining about people complaining about people complaining about people protesting are an embarrassment.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:13 pm

IT. The point is, what they should be protesting about is their electoral system. Hillary wins a 3 million+ plurality, and not one person has said,"Do away with the Electoral College."

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:13 pm

Anyway,I made it perfectly clear that I only meant protesters who protest Trump embarrassingly, okay?

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:16 pm

New phrase. Trump Landslide. Lose popular vote by over 3 million.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:19 pm

ontario claret wrote:IT. The point is, what they should be protesting about is their electoral system. Hillary wins a 3 million+ plurality, and not one person has said,"Do away with the Electoral College."

What if they want to protest against Trump's policies? How will protesting the electoral system do anything to influence Trump's policies? I'm not saying protesting his policies are going to help, but not protesting against them certainly isn't.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:21 pm

I've had a few trump landslides in my time

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:35 pm

I find it amusing that they still use the Bible to swear the president in.

A country full of all sorts of different religions ..

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:40 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I find it amusing that they still use the Bible to swear the president in.

A country full of all sorts of different religions ..

It's up to the guy being sworn in. He can be sworn in on a copy of the koran if he wants to. Or the Russian constitution, such as it is.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 pm

The electoral college system was brought in to allow the poor states to have a say in the election.

If it was first past the post Two states would determine the ourcome , yes the richest states, that would be fair.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's up to the guy being sworn in. He can be sworn in on a copy of the koran if he wants to. Or the Russian constitution, such as it is.

Maybe they should move away from religious books.

I've just had a look and a couple used books of Law.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:48 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I find it amusing that they still use the Bible to swear the president in.

A country full of all sorts of different religions ..

They should make them flip a random Bible page and follow the instructions on the verse religiously....I'll have a go.

Wait....

Okay, here we go..

Deuteronomy 25:11 - If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to the rescue of her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him from his private parts, you should cut off her hand, show her no pity!

Hmmmm, best of three could be the rule maybe?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:The electoral college system was brought in to allow the poor states to have a say in the election.

If it was first past the post Two states would determine the ourcome , yes the richest states, that would be fair.

I'm assuming you mean California and New York and not Maryland and New Jersey (median income), or Conneticut and New Jersey (per capita income), and even if that's the case, if every man woman and child in those two states all cast a ballot for the same candidate that would still be 6 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton got, and 3 million fewer than Trump got.

Your argument is invalid anyway because if it was by popular vote then states wouldn't be deciding the election like they are now, it would be the people deciding. Or at least a plurality of them, unlike now where the person getting the 2nds highest number of votes can win - how is that better?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm

Hahahaha

Lance Romance · Post by **Lance Romance** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:51 pm

Fox News - "Obama's legacy is .... Donald Trump"

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:56 pm

Lance Romance wrote:Fox News - "Obama's legacy is .... Donald Trump"

So when Trump ***** everything up it'll all be Obama's fault?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:01 am

Fox News created President Trump. ****ing bold of them to pin him on Obama.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm assuming you mean California and New York and not Maryland and New Jersey (median income), or Conneticut and New Jersey (per capita income), and even if that's the case, if every man woman and child in those two states all cast a ballot for the same candidate that would still be 6 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton got, and 3 million fewer than Trump got.

Your argument is invalid anyway because if it was by popular vote then states wouldn't be deciding the election like they are now, it would be the people deciding. Or at least a plurality of them, unlike now where the person getting the 2nds highest number of votes can win - how is that better?

Hi IT,

the US presidential electoral system reflects the fact that it is the election of the president of the united states. The electoral colleges give some balance to the "risk" (I think this depends on different view points) of "minority" states being dominated by the largest states. That's the system the US have chosen.

the EU, for many things, works on the basis of 28 member countries have equal votes - without regard to the size of each member country. the EU electorate can elect MEPs to EU parliament, but the EU parliament does not elect the EU president.

And, we are familiar with the UK constituency based, first past the post system.

I believe it is getting elected under the rules that apply the creates legitimacy. If the electorate want to change their system that should be debated and decided separately from the elections.

A true democrat will always accept the outcome if the agreed system is carried out correctly.

Many are disappointed/concerned with the election of Trump, but it was the failure to have good candidates on both sides that gives us this result.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:09 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:Well I for one think he will be good for America.

He could well be good for us to post brexit.

What part of that speech made you think Trump would be good for a post Brexit Britain? Was hardly suggesting there's going to be some generous trade deals..

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:12 am

Paul Waine, no offence, pal, but virtually everything you post reads like a pre-programmed script read by a synthetic from the Alien films. **** all in the way of insight or personal opinion; just endless analysis.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:15 am

I wonder if trump will spend every single day of his presidency at war like obama

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:20 am

Damo wrote:I wonder if trump will spend every single day of his presidency at war like obama

Would you rather America didn't fight against ISIS?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:22 am

Also, Obama doubled national debt, deported 2.5 million illegal immigrants and kept guantanimo bay open. Makes you wonder why some posters on here are so worried about what trump represents

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Would you rather America didn't fight against ISIS?

Lmao

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:24 am

Killary Clinton- oversaw the biggest ever arms deal (usa/Saudi Arabia) the globe has ever seen.

For the less enlightened amongst us. Saudi Arabia funds ISIS.

President Killary Clinton- the best form of God damn "democracy" money could buy!

Hell yeah!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:25 am

Obama didn't actually double the debt. There are stats out there supporting this. And deporting ILLEGAL immigrants..... Yes.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:40 am

It's not all doom n gloom lads!

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Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:40 am

Damo wrote:Also, Obama doubled national debt, deported 2.5 million illegal immigrants and kept guantanimo bay open. Makes you wonder why some posters on here are so worried about what trump represents

Sartre wrote:They have chosen hate because hate is a faith to them; at the outset they have chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease they feel as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions appear to them. If out of courtesy they consent for a moment to defend their point of view, they lend themselves but do not give themselves. They try simply to project their intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse.

Never believe that they are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The ____ have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.

They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. If then, as we have been able to observe, the ____ is impervious to reason and to experience, it is not because his conviction is strong. Rather his conviction is strong because he has chosen first of all to be impervious.

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:51 am

He will suprise lot of people ( not me ). Direct, focused, local jobs for local people, understands the threat from China. We love you Donald.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:05 am

Fiver says this forum's Trump apostles are doing a quick ctrl+f scramble job to find the Up The Clarets user 'Sartre'.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:09 am

Love how all these daft liberals are going nuts when democracy doesn't work in their favour.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:14 am

Familiarise yourself with the etymological derivation of the word 'democracy', numbnuts.

I'm beyond the point of subtlety when people in this country are blowing their load over a foreign demagogue.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:56 am

Indecisive wrote:What part of that speech made you think Trump would be good for a post Brexit Britain? Was hardly suggesting there's going to be some generous trade deals..

Trumps delegates indicated to Nigel Farage in the US yesterday that a trade deal could be done in 90 days post Brexit. Is that possible who knows.
I expect Mrs May will probably mess that up.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:15 am

Spiral wrote:Familiarise yourself with the etymological derivation of the word 'democracy', numbnuts.

I'm beyond the point of subtlety when people in this country are blowing their load over a foreign demagogue.

Oh the irony.....

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:15 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:Trumps delegates indicated to Nigel Farage in the US yesterday that a trade deal could be done in 90 days post Brexit. Is that possible who knows.
I expect Mrs May will probably mess that up.

I presume you heard his inauguration speech?

There's a part of me that strongly advocates republicanism, mainly borne of my sort of existentialist-informed worldview; but the older I get, the more I am coming to accept that the Monarchy is the only thing that could potentially save this country from itself.

Now the interesting part. Does a pro-Trump/UKIP, conservative/Alt-right faux-anarchist argue against the Monarchy, (the anti-elitist, anti-establishment stance assumes they would, right?), thus entering Jeremy Corbyn-territory; or does he/she find a way to agree with me, the increasingly pro-Monarch PC bleeding-heart liberal? Awkward dichotomy, there. Quite a pang to endure either way, I imagine. Who's got the balls to speak up?

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:50 am

For what it's worth lads and lasses, my Clinton-disciple, cum Che Guevara-type democratic revolutionary wife (and she hasn't yet recognized the oxymoron in that description) is making me sleep in the guest bedroom because I had the audacity to recognize Trump's speech as underlining succinctly everything he stood for on the campaign trail, regardless of whether you go for it or not. And to allow this buffoon, yet democratically elected, get on with his term in office.

She laments all the "stuff" already taken off the whitehouse website, and when I went to go look there it is again, succinctly, his manifesto. When I pointed out he was entitled i think she might have said I was banished tomorrow night too!

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:01 am

NRC wrote:And to allow this buffoon, yet democratically elected, get on with his term in office.

Hate quoting out of full context, brevity an' all that, but FWIW, considering the Republican obstructionism Obama faced, she may well have a point, NRC. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can understand her point.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:54 am

NRC wrote:For what it's worth lads and lasses, my Clinton-disciple, cum Che Guevara-type democratic revolutionary wife (and she hasn't yet recognized the oxymoron in that description) is making me sleep in the guest bedroom because I had the audacity to recognize Trump's speech as underlining succinctly everything he stood for on the campaign trail, regardless of whether you go for it or not. And to allow this buffoon, yet democratically elected, get on with his term in office.

She laments all the "stuff" already taken off the whitehouse website, and when I went to go look there it is again, succinctly, his manifesto. When I pointed out he was entitled i think she might have said I was banished tomorrow night too!

You're married. You should know better. You only have yourself to blame.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:48 am

It's kinda funny that when this guy did this everyone was in awe of how passionate he was about his country. Thank god he wasn't crying about something unimportant like civil rights.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:04 am

it's gonna be an interesting 4 years, he'll either be brilliant or **** things up beyond recognition - if it's the later I'll move to Australia !

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:10 am

Vegas Claret wrote:it's gonna be an interesting 4 years, he'll either be brilliant or **** things up beyond recognition - if it's the later I'll move to Australia !

We all want it to be the former, some people in this thread are absolutely committed to it being the former, but i think you and I both know that those people are deluding themselves. He's going to be abusing his power from day four. (not day one because he's taking the weekend off)

bluelabrador16 · Post by **bluelabrador16** » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:27 am

Damo

I wonder if trump will spend every single day of his presidency at war like obama

Imploding Turtle ..Post 130

Would you rather America didn't fight against ISIS?

Doh!

America created, supports and arms ISIS.