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[TVC15]

He scored 7. Which is less than Barnes and Wood. And also hasnt scored double figures since before Vokes did at this level. So its not an improvement in that sense.

And the reality is, as bad as Berahino has been (on and off the field) Jay still hasnt ended up with a better record at this level.

We need to improve on what we have. Since his injury Jay hasnt proved that he is better for us now than Barnes, Wood or Vokes.

Its 7 years since his outstanding championship season for us and its 5 years since his single outstanding premier league season.

So the comparison with Berahino (attitude aside) is a fair one.

Jay scored 11 goals last year including the cup - which is relevant bearing in mind they beat Liverpool. In a team that hardly won a game he had a good season and he is having a good season this year.

To compare him to Berahino is just you trying (badly) to prove your point. Berahino has been a joke of a player in the last 3 years - just like there is little point talking about Jay`s record pre his major injury there is no point talking about Berahino pre his very public meltdown.
Jay has had a decent 18 months / 2 years now - Berahino has had as bad a 2 years as any centre forward you could care to name in the top 2 leagues.

£20m is too much for Jay IMHO but its the going rate. Chris Wood cost £15m and had scored few goals in the top league prior to going to Leeds. Scott Hogan had one good season with Brentford and cost £15m and done very little since. And the Premier league has been littered with £15m to £20m strikers and midfielders who have done little or nothing. Unfortunately these days £20m does not get you far and it will not get you a striker that has scored double figures or more in the Premier League.

I think Jay improves the team and I also think playing for your local team could add another element....but that is no good unless you are decent and I think Jay is.

I doubt many of our fans would be unhappy with the signing whereas I guarantee every single one of our fans would be gutted and angry if we signed Berahino. Do you seriously think that is because one of them was born in Burnley ?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Jay scored 11 goals last year including the cup - which is relevant bearing in mind they beat Liverpool. In a team that hardly won a game he had a good season and he is having a good season this year.

To compare him to Berahino is just you trying (badly) to prove your point. Berahino has been a joke of a player in the last 3 years - just like there is little point talking about Jay`s record pre his major injury there is no point talking about Berahino pre his very public meltdown.
Jay has had a decent 18 months / 2 years now - Berahino has had as bad a 2 years as any centre forward you could care to name in the top 2 leagues.

£20m is too much for Jay IMHO but its the going rate. Chris Wood cost £15m and had scored few goals in the top league prior to going to Leeds. Scott Hogan had one good season with Brentford and cost £15m and done very little since. And the Premier league has been littered with £15m to £20m strikers and midfielders who have done little or nothing. Unfortunately these days £20m does not get you far and it will not get you a striker that has scored double figures or more in the Premier League.

I think Jay improves the team and I also think playing for your local team could add another element....but that is no good unless you are decent and I think Jay is.

I doubt many of our fans would be unhappy with the signing whereas I guarantee every single one of our fans would be gutted and angry if we signed Berahino. Do you seriously think that is because one of them was born in Burnley ?

How date you offer a well reasoned and sensible post

[cricketfieldclarets]

Neither would be worth pursuing imo.

If £20m is what it costs, as alluded to earlier - its the wrong market. He is no improvement on what Wood, Barnes and Vokes are offering. Two scored more than him last year, and the one who didnt was backup after scoring 10 in the league the year prior.

I would sooner keep the £20m than spunk it. After all, its the midfield that is the problem!

[Tall Paul]

I said around 5 or 6. I couldnt be arsed getting the calculator out to work out the average of two distinctly average goal records.

You said 5 AND 6, obviously meaning 5 for SB and 6 for JR. It doesn't take a calculator to work out that if JR has scored 10 more goals in 5 seasons, that's a difference of 2 goals per season and not 1.

I've already said it's perfectly reasonable to argue that neither player has a great record and we should be looking for better, but it's completely unreasonable to argue that they have similar records when they clearly don't.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Lets forget Bereahino for a minute then.

Lets look at someone the same age as Jay instead. Also with 5 years premier league experience.

Wilfried Bony. 35 goals in 5 seasons. Slightly more than Jay. Shall we go for him?

[Dyched]

Im not so sure you can base if he is or not better than Vokes, Barnes and Wood purely on goals. For instance if he’s able to control the ball and find a teammate rather than throwing himself to the ground and waving his arms that’s an improvement over Barnes. If he can challenge for a ball he’s better than Wood.

2 of the 3 have to go. I wouldnt mind Jay replacing any if them.

[TVC15]

Lets forget Bereahino for a minute then.

Lets look at someone the same age as Jay instead. Also with 5 years premier league experience.

Wilfried Bony. 35 goals in 5 seasons. Slightly more than Jay. Shall we go for him?

No - he is on a minimum £100k a week....hardly scored in the last 2 years and has been injured a hell of a lot during the last 2 years.

Not sure why you are looking at players records over a 5 year period - especially when they have very clearly been a shadow of the player in recent years than they were previously.

Nobody likes the market we are having to shop in but this simplistic view of buying foreign players is not an easy solution. I can name you far more £15m to £30m poor foreign signings than I can successes.

Whereas actually when you think about it how many strikers who have been bought from the lower leagues by Premier League clubs (or come through their ranks when they have been promoted) have been a failure ? Look at the likes of Vokes, Barnes, Callum Wilson, Josh King, Maddison, Vardy, Glen Murray, etc.....with the exception of Maddison the total cost of all those strikers was about £5m. That's a fraction of the £30m Leicester paid for Slimani.

[aggi]

Rumours are that Wellbeck could be heading off for £10m or so in January (end of contract in summer). Would be a considerable upgrade on Rodriguez.

[cricketfieldclarets]

No - he is on a minimum £100k a week....hardly scored in the last 2 years and has been injured a hell of a lot during the last 2 years.

Not sure why you are looking at players records over a 5 year period - especially when they have very clearly been a shadow of the player in recent years than they were previously.

Nobody likes the market we are having to shop in but this simplistic view of buying foreign players is not an easy solution. I can name you far more £15m to £30m poor foreign signings than I can successes.

Whereas actually when you think about it how many strikers who have been bought from the lower leagues by Premier League clubs (or come through their ranks when they have been promoted) have been a failure ? Look at the likes of Vokes, Barnes, Callum Wilson, Josh King, Maddison, Vardy, Glen Murray, etc.....with the exception of Maddison the total cost of all those strikers was about £5m. That's a fraction of the £30m Leicester paid for Slimani.

Jay was on (allegedly) 70k a week at WBA.

The reason I am looking at the last 5 years is because its then identical in comparison to Jay. Bony, Jay and Berahino have all played in the premier league for 5 years. And all have comparable records.

At the age Jay (and Bony) is now, the liklihood is they wont improve. £20m for a player who will be 30 at the end of the season and has an average at best record is ludicrous. If others want to pay that, fine. But we shouldnt.

I agree with your point on the championship. Its where we should and do look for strikers. Potential, hungry and cheaper. And we have done that with Grey, Wood and Vydra to a certain success. Vokes and Barnes too but they were bought for different reasons at different times.

The problem isnt there. Wood, Barnes and Vokes have all proved they can score at this level. And all four including Vydra have had very good championship careers.

For £20m we need to be looking at midfield. Where we have a problem in both directions. Defensively and creatively.

And we absolutely need to start looking in Europe. Look at Leicesters 2 best players in their title winning season. Mahrez and Kante, brought in from france for a combined £6m and sold for £100m!

[cricketfieldclarets]

Rumours are that Wellbeck could be heading off for £10m or so in January (end of contract in summer). Would be a considerable upgrade on Rodriguez.

Now here is a better comparison AND Suggestion than I have put forward. And would be an excellent option.

Problem is his injuries.

[Wile E Coyote]

just think of that figure for a moment £70.000 a week. and for what ?

[beddie]

Same never ending problem. If Wellbeck becomes available we'll get priced out, he'll be in demand that's for sure. Yes I think he would be a really good addition. I agree though that's the level we now have to look at.

[CnBtruntru]

Midfielder and younger cover for right back position and possibly left as Wardy is getting old someone pacey up front just to have a different option, preferably from Europe but we tend not to be able to look past West Brom and the Championship.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Would take Jay Rod but wouldnt be paying more than 10 to 12 million which I think is standard for a player of his age. Also I would be looking at moving either Wood or Barnes out to recoup that money.

[TVC15]

Jay was on (allegedly) 70k a week at WBA.

The reason I am looking at the last 5 years is because its then identical in comparison to Jay. Bony, Jay and Berahino have all played in the premier league for 5 years. And all have comparable records.

At the age Jay (and Bony) is now, the liklihood is they wont improve. £20m for a player who will be 30 at the end of the season and has an average at best record is ludicrous. If others want to pay that, fine. But we shouldnt.

I agree with your point on the championship. Its where we should and do look for strikers. Potential, hungry and cheaper. And we have done that with Grey, Wood and Vydra to a certain success. Vokes and Barnes too but they were bought for different reasons at different times.

The problem isnt there. Wood, Barnes and Vokes have all proved they can score at this level. And all four including Vydra have had very good championship careers.

For £20m we need to be looking at midfield. Where we have a problem in both directions. Defensively and creatively.

And we absolutely need to start looking in Europe. Look at Leicesters 2 best players in their title winning season. Mahrez and Kante, brought in from france for a combined £6m and sold for £100m!

Yep but its completely irrelevant to be looking at players like Berahino and Bony who have had a disastrous last 2 or 3 years where all fans of every club in this league would not want them anywhere near their club. As i said the last couple of years from Jay has been nothing like the last 2 years of these players and that is what is relevant to buying a player in January next year.

£20m for Jay really is not ludicrous - West From paid not far off that for him and as already said you are not getting double figure scoring Premier League strikers for less than this amount....whatever their age....unless we are looking at an end of contract situation which we are not with Jay (and probably won`t be with many other potential signings)

I also think we need to look at other positions but I think the club is in a position to spend at least £40m in January and to be still in a very strong financial position. I would be hopeful that gets us 3 decent players who would improve out first eleven.

I am not saying we should not look to Europe. What I am saying is that it is not the simple solution that many people make out and there are far more expensive failures than successes like Marhez and Kante. Just look at that Southampton current team sitting below us in the league.

Burnley have been strongly linked with players from abroad in the last few windows and we know that with some of these it was far more than just a rumour. I'm sure as a club we spend a lot more time looking at overseas players than the fans realise but as we all know our record of getting player deals over the line in the last few years is not great for a variety of reasons and as can be seen from the Grozicky deal it can get very complicated and its not always down to our mistakes or penny pinching.

Wellbeck for £10m I would be happy with btw - depending on wages (anything up to say £75k a week would be value)
He does have a dodgy injury record but I agree he is more proven than Jay and would probably represent better value. I presume if this fee is correct its because he is nearing the end of his contract. Unfortunately I think there are bigger clubs than us like Everton and West Ham (and a few others) who would also go for a player like Wellbeck and we would stand little chance (does not mean we should not be ensuring about him though)

[aggi]

£20m for Jay really is not ludicrous - West From paid not far off that for him and as already said you are not getting double figure scoring Premier League strikers for less than this amount....whatever their age....unless we are looking at an end of contract situation which we are not with Jay (and probably won`t be with many other potential signings)

West Brom paid £12m for him (he still had a few years to run on his Southampton contract too). Not sure he's really done much to justify a big increase on that (other than the supply and demand in that we clearly want him).

[TVC15]

West Brom paid £12m for him (he still had a few years to run on his Southampton contract too). Not sure he's really done much to justify a big increase on that (other than the supply and demand in that we clearly want him).

To be fair the market has moved on since then and also West From were buying a player who was not that long back from a series of injuries.

Point remains that the market is what it is and whilst I agree £20m is too much for Jay there does not seem to be a lot of options out there in the £15m to £20m price range.

I hope we are (and think we will be) looking at other options for strikers - including abroad...as even in the Championship there is not much by the way of strikers that stands out at the moment. Brentford young lad started off well and the young lads at Derby look quality but are on loan from big clubs. But not many players really standing out which probably explains why the league is so tight. Supply and demand has got to be having an impact on the price that is being asked for the likes of Jay....if there was more good strikers about no way they could be asking for £20m.

[Vegas Claret]

I wouldn't pay more than 9,735453.00 for Jay

[Goobs]

I wouldn't pay more than 9,735453.00 for Jay

Well if you give that to the board then I'm sure they will stump up the rest.

[Spijed]

And the fact remains and needs repeating that getting a good quality striker that can get 15 goals or more outside of the top six is very difficult when hardly anyone did it last season.

[Vegas Claret]

Well if you give that to the board then I'm sure they will stump up the rest.

doubt it !

[Vegas Claret]

we don't need strikers, we need to supply the ones we have, the money needs to be spent on upgrading 2 of our midfielders

[theroyaldyche]

Sick of hearing about this. The strikers we have are better of they get the righr service and not hoofball. Vydra is a miles better player

[Long Time Lurker]

20m for a guy who has managed to score 4 goals from open play in 16 championship matches ?

The world has gone mad

You can discount his other 4 goals, because all of them came from penalties which we never get. His contributions beyond the goals have been pretty hum drum.

Jay prior to his injury would be worth 20m in the market of today, probably more. However, the Jay we might still be looking at isn't worth 10m.

Sentiment aside, time has moved on and so should we. He hasn't done anything in the lower tier to warrant our continued interest. We already have better options in the squad.

I would be very disappointed if we wasted another window chasing him again and gutted if we signed him for a sizeable fee and wage.

If we need to generate a raise or two in the dressing room hire a stripper instead, much cheaper.

The only thing holding us back at the moment is a lack of self confidence and belief. To my mind that is the primary difference between this season and last season. If we can put together a nice little run starting with Leicester things will start to come together.

I would agree that service is an area we could look to improve on. I can't see any of Wood, Barnes or Vokes leaving us. Wood only signed up with us last year and the other two have put pen to paper on new contracts. Add in Vydra and we have enough. I'm not sure about Wells in the next window. It all depends on his performances at QPR.

What we really need is someone like Andreas Pereira from Man Utd. He certainly isn't the finished article, but he looks to be moving in the right direction (at least he did last season and in the early part of this season). If he doesn't receive any game time soon then he could get twitchy again. Just as importantly, he should be in our price range for a new attacking midfielder who can fill in on the wings if we are pushed. Not so sure about his new Bently though.

[TVC15]

Looks like Danny Wellbeck will be staying down south for a while longer - his injury record is horrendous. If the £10m they want for him is accurate plus say minimum £80k a week then the best part of £25m in fee and wages for a player who has started just over 20 games in the last 3 seasons is a big risk. Plus when he comes back from injury he won`t be far off 30 years old himself

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[cricketfieldclarets]

Looks like Danny Wellbeck will be staying down south for a while longer - his injury record is horrendous. If the £10m they want for him is accurate plus say minimum £80k a week then the best part of £25m in fee and wages for a player who has started just over 20 games in the last 3 seasons is a big risk. Plus when he comes back from injury he won`t be far off 30 years old himself

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Agree. Thats the main reason we should steer clear. Shame for him but not a risk we can afford to take.

A loan might have been worthwhile but they wont loan a player running his contract down.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

I'd rather have Matt Phillips or Oliver Burke, personally.

[SGr]

Burke at a push. Phillips is finished.

[Grumps]

I Carnt be bothered to read the whole thread but has anyone who knows the family been on saying its all been agreed and he's definitely signing

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Which family - the Addams family or the Swiss Family Robinson?

[Devils_Advocate]

Not sure if Jay is good enough for us but one of the reasons he was potentially a good target is that he really fits in with the formations Dyche plays. He is more than capable of playing the lead role with a Hendrick or Barnes behind him. He could also play the 10 role behind Wood or Vokes. In a 4-5-1 he would also have been capable of playing the Brady / Lennon role where we have really struggled this season

Now take our back up option Vydra. He could well be a better player than Jay Rod but it seams he is only capable of playing the second striker role which firstly is a role Dyche isnt keen on using from the off and secondly it doesnt address the issue we still need better than Vokes as a first choice #9 which is what we've had to make do with this year

In the right team I think Vydra will be a great player but for the way Dyche sets up and the gaps in our squad we started the season with it is obvious why Jay was the #1 target and Vydra was plan B

[Goobs]

Which family - the Addams family or the Swiss Family Robinson?

The Brady bunch obviously

[ElectroClaret]

The Manson Family.

[Walt]

Window looming large so it's going to be interesting discussing rumours.

I've been fully behind the board and their cautious philosophy. It's paid off so far and we have a reasonably decent squad. Invested wisely at gawthorpe.

No matter how much you are fans of the board we're in a seriously brutal league. There comes a time you feel we're going to have to try and take a few more risks. Certainly not advocating whole scale oblivion but we can't dine out on the championship and their top performers forever.

Be interesting to see how it goes.

[beddie]

Blimey, currently tonights display will push the price even higher.

[jrgbfc]

Has shown some great movement and link up play tonight. Can't believe some of our fans don't think he'd be an upgrade on our current forwards.

[RocketLawnChair]

Quick Powerful Creative Skilful and all done at Pace. Excellent performance by Jay. If only !

[joey13]

Rondon would have been a better target

[cricketfieldclarets]

Rondon would have been a better target

His second today was a thing of beauty.