Muric or Trafford

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

So while Trafford is learning … Burnley get relegated ? Shareholders lose millions in tv money .. but don’t worry Yrafford is getting lots of experience .. I’ve never heard of any job this is possible where you can learn as you go along :. Good job he not a pilot

Exactly we have become a kindergarten where you pay premium prices to witness potentially good players in three years time

Stupid thing is dont City have a buy back clause so if he turns out to be a world beater will lose him anyway for a set fee?

It’s been absolute madness all this from start to finish.

I thought this topic was banned anyhow.

Something about this transfer seems fishy to me and the lack of him being dropped. Looks like a loan that isn’t even a permanent transfer to me. Very strange.

[evensteadiereddie]

I think you're worrying too much.

[Goliath]

Theres clearly been fallouts with Muric behind the scenes and i dont think he was ever the first choice signing last summer.
Ive given up in him ever getting back in, i just hope we can get an experienced number one in January. Id take a risk on Heaton no problem, he would be the absolutely perfect role model for Trafford.

There could also be potential for the loan of Ramsdale or Dean Henderson. Theyll be desperate for first team football as the 2nd and 3rd choice keeper spots at the Euros are well up for grabs

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Theres clearly been fallouts with Muric behind the scenes and i dont think he was ever the first choice signing last summer.
Ive given up in him ever getting back in, i just hope we can get an experienced number one in January. Id take a risk on Heaton no problem, he would be the absolutely perfect role model for Trafford.

There could also be potential for the loan of Ramsdale or Dean Henderson. Theyll be desperate for first team football as the 2nd and 3rd choice keeper spots at the Euros are well up for grabs

If we get rid of the Belgian Frank Lampard I’m sure he would get straight back in. Here’s hoping.

[Westleigh]

Exactly we have become a kindergarten where you pay premium prices to witness potentially good players in three years time

Stupid thing is dont City have a buy back clause so if he turns out to be a world beater will lose him anyway for a set fee?

It’s been absolute madness all this from start to finish.

I thought this topic was banned anyhow.

Something about this transfer seems fishy to me and the lack of him being dropped. Looks like a loan that isn’t even a permanent transfer to me. Very strange.

Careful I got slagged off suggesting a conspiracy theory.

[claret2018]

The problem is the longer we keep playing Trafford, the lower his future transfer fee is going to be.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Careful I got slagged off suggesting a conspiracy theory.

The more he plays badly and doesn’t get dropped suggests he can’t be dropped as its in his contact , be that a perm or a hidden loan which I suspect it is.

115 charges for financial irregularities don’t happen for nothing I assume.

[aggi]

I like this hidden loan theory. How exactly does it work? And why?

[aggi]

I mean, personally I'd like Muric in but it's not like he's a proven top class keeper who Trafford is keeping out.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I mean, personally I'd like Muric in but it's not like he's a proven top class keeper who Trafford is keeping out.

Good save low on sat by Trafford but Muric claims that corner they scored from easily all day long.

The deconstruction they did on it on motd made him look really bad.

[Westleigh]

The problem is the longer we keep playing Trafford, the lower his future transfer fee is going to be.

It ain’t going to help his value when a good goalkeeper like Givens highlights that he tries to jump off both feet which limits how high he can get ,surely if we had a top goalie coach like we used to have this sort of thing would be sorted ,all the Burnley fans are aware of his limitations so are all the media and all the Prem League coaches,he might be a brilliant lad and may develop into a super keeper,but teams are really going to pressurise him ,and that won’t to the club or James Trafford any good .

[Westleigh]

I mean, personally I'd like Muric in but it's not like he's a proven top class keeper who Trafford is keeping out.

And it doesn’t look like Muric’s getting the chance to prove that he could become one.

[Shaggy]

I’d rather we signed a better keeper than either but Muric is the better of the 2 and far more proven.

I think we’ve let a better keeper go in BPF than Trafford, I just don’t see what the hype is all about at all. He’s a weak player

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

And it doesn’t look like Muric’s getting the chance to prove that he could become one.

I wonder if that £15m we payed for Trafford meant they broke even on ffp for their accounts

Buy back clause is £15m and says he has to play every game as part of the deal, stranger things have happened.

Robbed blind and we can’t drop him.

Welcome to Burnley

[Steve1956]

Trafford is the best keeper at the club...that's why he plays every game..quite simple really,it's not Trafford's fault that he's playing behind the worst defence we have ever had in our time in the Premier league years.

[burnleymik]

Trafford is the best keeper at the club...that's why he plays every game..quite simple really,it's not Trafford's fault that he's playing behind the worst defence we have ever had in our time in the Premier league years.

Do you think his footwork on the ball, positioning and aerial ability are all better than Muric's?

Trafford might be the better keeper, but Muric has never had the chance to prove himself, or fail, at this level. Given how things are going and how teams are clearly exploiting our playing out from the back and set piece weaknesses, maybe it's worth a try making that change?

[BurnleyFC]

Trafford is the best keeper at the club...that's why he plays every game..quite simple really,it's not Trafford's fault that he's playing behind the worst defence we have ever had in our time in the Premier league years.

Trafford might well be the best goalkeeper at the club, although I disagree, but he still isn’t good enough.

[Steve1956]

Do you think his footwork on the ball, positioning and aerial ability are all better than Muric's?

Trafford might be the better keeper, but Muric has never had the chance to prove himself, or fail, at this level. Given how things are going and how teams are clearly exploiting our playing out from the back and set piece weaknesses, maybe it's worth a try making that change?

It's unlikely because Kompany thinks Trafford is the best and he's the manager.

[Steve1956]

Trafford might well be the best goalkeeper at the club, although I disagree, but he still isn’t good enough.

Why single Trafford out ...when not one single member of the squad is not good enough?

[burnleymik]

Why single Trafford out ...when not one single member of the squad is not good enough?

... because it's one thing right now that we could change. the others we are pretty much stuck with and have few other options. Trafford is one of the few we have never seen dropped and another option tried.

[Steve1956]

... because it's one thing right now that we could change. the others we are pretty much stuck with and have few other options. Trafford is one of the few we have never seen dropped and another option tried.

Plenty outfield players not getting a look in ...the Trafford witch-hunt on here really has to stop.

[burnleymik]

Plenty outfield players not getting a look in ...the Trafford witch-hunt on here really has to stop.

Which players have not been tried?

It's not a "witchhunt"- I imagine every Burnley fan wants Trafford to come good, we can also see his flaws and want to see our fortunes turn around, maybe changing the keeper could help with that, it has done in the past.

it's more unhelpful that genuine questions and fair criticism is labelled as "a withchunt" or "agenda" that's just utter nonsense. Everyone here wants the club to do well.

[Steve1956]

Which players have not been tried?

It's not a "witchhunt"- I imagine every Burnley fan wants Trafford to come good, we can also see his flaws and want to see our fortunes turn around, maybe changing the keeper could help with that, it has done in the past.

it's more unhelpful that genuine questions and fair criticism is labelled as "a withchunt" or "agenda" that's just utter nonsense. Everyone here wants the club to do well.

I'm not arguing with you Kompany picks the team and I back who he picks...Trafford is a 19/20 year old kid give him a break ffs

[BurnleyFC]

Why single Trafford out ...when not one single member of the squad is not good enough?

I’m not singling Trafford out and I think we do have some players that are good enough.

Unfortunately, Trafford and O’Shea are proving to cost us goals on a fairly frequent basis.

[aggi]

Good save low on sat by Trafford but Muric claims that corner they scored from easily all day long.

The deconstruction they did on it on motd made him look really bad.

I'm less convinced that Muric is the great keeper in the air that some seem to be remembering. He certainly got better as the season went on but he was by no means dominating his box.

As I've said, I'd prefer Muric to be starting but it's not in the realm of conspiracy theories that he isn't.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Think after 13 defeats out of 17 and conceding on average 2 goals a game it might be time for a change in a few key positions!! Or we can continue down the same ridiculous route of playing the same players who cost us most weeks.

[Steve1956]

I'm less convinced that Muric is the great keeper in the air that some seem to be remembering. He certainly got better as the season went on but he was by no means dominating his box.

As I've said, I'd prefer Muric to be starting but it's not in the realm of conspiracy theories that he isn't.

You could put the City keeper in our goal and we would still be in the bottom 3,putting all the blame on Trafford when the defence and the midfield are utter shite doesn't wash.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Think after 13 defeats out of 17 and conceding on average 2 goals a game it might be time for a change in a few key positions!! Or we can continue down the same ridiculous route of playing the same players who cost us most weeks.

You would at least hope the thought had crossed a few minds lately!

“ Vincent can I grab a second about the goalie?!”

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You could put the City keeper in our goal and we would still be in the bottom 3,putting all the blame on Trafford when the defence and the midfield are utter shite doesn't wash.

We could ask for Ederson or we will grass them up to ffp

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I'm less convinced that Muric is the great keeper in the air that some seem to be remembering. He certainly got better as the season went on but he was by no means dominating his box.

As I've said, I'd prefer Muric to be starting but it's not in the realm of conspiracy theories that he isn't.

The only thing I can think of is that Kompany is clueless and doesn’t know what he’s watching as he keeps making the same mistakes every game without changing anything.

[Darthlaw]

Strangely I think Trafford is currently playing his best football in a BFC shirt. His passes are faster, long passes are picking out players and he's producing some top saves. The crosses are certainly an issue and his tendency to 'paw' at them is a worry, but it's not as if he should be completely to blame when players are getting a free 5 yard run up to head the ball to take him on from set pieces.

We seem to have got rid of the issue of leaving players to pick their spot in the top corners, in favour of allowing crosses at will. Whilst we do have Trafford in net theres always going to be a vulnerability until this silly 'pawing' at crosses stops. Whether Muric will be better remains to be seen but I'm still of the opinion the issues lie outside the 6 yard box.

I truly believe the key to saving our season is making sure Beyer and Ekdal start in defence together.

When either O'Shea or AAD play, it's irrelevant who is in goal. And that's before we worry about actually scoring some goals!

[Anthonini]

Trafford is technically way ahead of Muric and still so young. Absolute no brainer.

[Rileybobs]

It's not a "witchhunt"- I imagine every Burnley fan wants Trafford to come good…

You’re very clearly wrong.

[Ampth7]

Trafford will be a top keeper who will eventually go on to be a fully fledged international IMO.

Unfortunately for us at this stage in his career, he has an awful lot to learn and develop before he gets to that level which inevitably means numerous mistakes in the meantime, especially in this league.

As for Muric, let’s not kid ourselves into believing he’s the Messiah! Decent keeper, yes, but he’s not exactly dynamite aerially and it wouldn’t be long before he dropped a clanger or three in my opinion.

[burnleymik]

You’re very clearly wrong.

Who doesn't?

[Woodleyclaret]

Neither .Heaton back is the way to go.A good organisater and an excellent keeper

[Darthlaw]

Heaton back would be a great idea but I'm not sure he'll want to tarnish his record with Burnley by getting associated with this current team.

Also, he no doubt had the option to play at a high standard regularly elsewhere and chose to get splinters in his arse at Old Trafford, so you have to wonder if he has the hunger to play anymore.

[Rileybobs]

Who doesn't?

Take a look at this thread and others. There are a few people who are absolutely willing Trafford to fail. I’m surprised you haven’t seen it.

[burnleymik]

Take a look at this thread and others. There are a few people who are absolutely willing Trafford to fail. I’m surprised you haven’t seen it.

I have seen him criticised, but not seen anyone actually wanting him to fail.

[alwaysaclaret]

Trafford is technically way ahead of Muric and still so young. Absolute no brainer.

Surely, you can't be serious.

[Carlos the Great]

You wouldn’t put say a 16 year old in team as your keeper in the premier league and suggest he WILL be brilliant in the future … I don’t understand how Trafford is playing every week In the hope he will be good enough by Xmas ? We need a team that can be good enough right now .. for our next game at Fulham .. not in 6 months .. 12 months .. Pace and his fellow investors want to see the team progress not get relegated .. surely

[boatshed bill]

It ain’t going to help his value when a good goalkeeper like Givens highlights that he tries to jump off both feet which limits how high he can get ,surely if we had a top goalie coach like we used to have this sort of thing would be sorted ,all the Burnley fans are aware of his limitations so are all the media and all the Prem League coaches,he might be a brilliant lad and may develop into a super keeper,but teams are really going to pressurise him ,and that won’t to the club or James Trafford any good .

That's the trouble with pundits, they put forward a theory based on one incident (like he's really been watching Trafford all season) and some take it as gospel.

[CoolClaret]

That's the trouble with pundits, they put forward a theory based on one incident (like he's really been watching Trafford all season) and some take it as gospel.

It’s not been one just incident though has it.

It’s every week. Doesn’t challenge for anything in his 6 yard box with authority.

The most boring debate going this.

People hanging on to cliches VK come out with and repeating them verbatim.

If he was always the guy why didn’t we sign him last season? Surely had more pulling power than league one Bolton (who don’t seem to be missing him - currently sat 5th in the league).

Was beyond scandalous to include him gameweek one - especially when Southampton the season prior made the exact same mistake playing Bazunu every week.

Then it was ‘well VK surely knows best as he watches them every day in training’ - bit less of that now when it appears that he’s totally lost his marbles.

It’s beyond frustrating to have had an incredible season with a team that properly played and fought for one another - which doesn’t come easy btw … it was special, to then expect to make large changes and repeat the magic and have a cohesive team.

It was so obvious that it wasn’t going to work, some on here saying give it 10-15 games to click - that’s 1/3 of the damn season!

Now we’re expected to just write a season off and put it down to ‘Young lads learning’ - get a grip this is the pinnacle of English football it’s the Premier League for Christ sake. These are on top, top money - it’s not some plucky lads from the academy that have been thrusted in.

If they’re not ready they shouldn’t be frigging playing every week. It’s a joke to expect our fans to put up with weak gutless performances every week and trot out the same bullshit.

Traff is possibly the most overhyped player we’ve ever had. He’s done absolutely nothing to justify the hype he’s getting - which mainly comes from the fact that he’s the England U21 keeper and had a good summer tournie, which is nothing like the PL.

Nick Pope pulled out insane performances every week when he first came in to the team and no one outside of Burnley gassed him up because he was an unknown late bloomer that we got on the cheap from Charlton (look at his full debut at Anfield in a 1-1 draw - insane performance)

Traff had one decent performance against Brighton (though most of the saves you’d expect a top flight keeper to make) and the hype gets way overblown like we have Donnarumma in net.

Baffling signings him, Ramsey and Trésor - best part of 50 million right there and have not improved our starting XI one jot.

[ClaretAL]

If I was a opposition player looking to get my head on a ball in the penalty area, I am fairly sure I would choose to be up against Trafford's body frame rath then that of Muric who would flatten me if we collided. that said I cant recall too many times where Muric came out and collected either.

[Nori1958]

It’s not been one just incident though has it.

It’s every week. Doesn’t challenge for anything in his 6 yard box with authority.

The most boring debate going this.

People hanging on to cliches VK come out with and repeating them verbatim.

If he was always the guy why didn’t we sign him last season? Surely had more pulling power than league one Bolton (who don’t seem to be missing him - currently sat 5th in the league).

Was beyond scandalous to include him gameweek one - especially when Southampton the season prior made the exact same mistake playing Bazunu every week.

Then it was ‘well VK surely knows best as he watches them every day in training’ - bit less of that now when it appears that he’s totally lost his marbles.

It’s beyond frustrating to have had an incredible season with a team that properly played and fought for one another - which doesn’t come easy btw … it was special, to then expect to make large changes and repeat the magic and have a cohesive team.

It was so obvious that it wasn’t going to work, some on here saying give it 10-15 games to click - that’s 1/3 of the damn season!

Now we’re expected to just write a season off and put it down to ‘Young lads learning’ - get a grip this is the pinnacle of English football it’s the Premier League for Christ sake. These are on top, top money - it’s not some plucky lads from the academy that have been thrusted in.

If they’re not ready they shouldn’t be frigging playing every week. It’s a joke to expect our fans to put up with weak gutless performances every week and trot out the same bullshit.

Traff is possibly the most overhyped player we’ve ever had. He’s done absolutely nothing to justify the hype he’s getting - which mainly comes from the fact that he’s the England U21 keeper and had a good summer tournie, which is nothing like the PL.

Nick Pope pulled out insane performances every week when he first came in to the team and no one outside of Burnley gassed him up because he was an unknown late bloomer that we got on the cheap from Charlton (look at his full debut at Anfield in a 1-1 draw - insane performance)

Traff had one decent performance against Brighton (though most of the saves you’d expect a top flight keeper to make) and the hype gets way overblown like we have Donnarumma in net.

Baffling signings him, Ramsey and Trésor - best part of 50 million right there and have not improved our starting XI one jot.

[Quicknick]

Blacklaw.

[gc14]

Three occasions in the 1st half on saturday a ball was played over the defender and they tried to shield it back but ended up having to
scream at Trafford to come for it , on one of the occasions Delcroix had to turn away with it and launched it down the line and into touch ..
A defender is far better and 100 times more confident when they have faith and trust in a keeper ... It should be the keeper screaming ,
organising and letting the players know what he wants .. pass back , into touch or keeper's ball ...
I remember Mee & Tarks looking shaky with Joe Hart behind them...
No matter how many mistakes week in week out he still keeps that shirt .. Remember Chris Wood's statement ?? Comfort zone ?

[CoolClaret]

Good retort.

Seems like you enjoy the mediocrity

[Nori1958]

Good retort.

Seems like you enjoy the mediocrity

Iam not sure what you expected when you start your post stating that this debate is boring, but then go on a 12 paragraph rant about the same stuff you say is boring

[CoolClaret]

Iam not sure what you expected when you start your post stating that this debate is boring, but then go on a 12 paragraph rant about the same stuff you say is boring

Because the lemmings keep coming out with the same tripe despite the overwhelming onfield evidence that keeps smacking us in the face every single week