ARTICLE: Roberts moves to Leeds

[fidelcastro]

How much time should he be given, Viva?

He's been here nearly two seasons now and still not convinced anyone.

The fact he has a silly song doesn't make him a good player.

[Vegas Claret]

How much time should he be given, Viva?

He's been here nearly two seasons now and still not convinced anyone.

The fact he has a silly song doesn't make him a good player.

He's convinced the only guys who's opinion count, the manager and the coaches. They've had ample opportunity to replace him but haven't so that would suggest they think there is something about him. Not sure what a song has to do with it

[fidelcastro]

He's convinced the only guys who's opinion count, the manager and the coaches. They've had ample opportunity to replace him but haven't so that would suggest they think there is something about him. Not sure what a song has to do with it

I'd love to know what it is they see in him.

He's the least skillful Brazilian player I think I've ever seen.

[Pickles]

I'd love to know what it is they see in him.

He's the least skillful Brazilian player I think I've ever seen.

He's a bad player. Says so much of this season that he's being applauded for things like his effort and determination. Should be the bare minimum.

[Vegas Claret]

I'd love to know what it is they see in him.

He's the least skillful Brazilian player I think I've ever seen.

That's as maybe, but it's pretty common for young foreign lads to struggle in their first few seasons in English football, especially in the PL. Like I said, you very often see very expensive players have exactly the same issues - Gvardiol was absolute crap against Forfana and he cost 80+ million and has been pretty poor all season whilst playing in the best team on the planet with a fantastic group of players and the best manager. Why would anyone expect Vitinho to thrive especially this season in what has for the most part been a weak effort from everyone.

[fidelcastro]

That's as maybe, but it's pretty common for young foreign lads to struggle in their first few seasons in English football, especially in the PL. Like I said, you very often see very expensive players have exactly the same issues - Gvardiol was absolute crap against Forfana and he cost 80+ million and has been pretty poor all season whilst playing in the best team on the planet with a fantastic group of players and the best manager. Why would anyone expect Vitinho to thrive especially this season in what has for the most part been a weak effort from everyone.

First few seasons?

How many chances should they get?

[Vegas Claret]

First few seasons?

How many chances should they get?

as many as the the manager and coaches decide, you would have thought given the outlay especially on him he would have been easy to replace and upgrade yet they haven't. There must be a reason for it. For me he has a good game now and again, I'm not overly impressed by him at this level so far but I also don't think he's remotely close to being a 'bad' player.

[Kilson810]

He's convinced the only guys who's opinion count, the manager and the coaches. They've had ample opportunity to replace him but haven't so that would suggest they think there is something about him. Not sure what a song has to do with it

Isn't Assignon his replacement?

[Vegas Claret]

Isn't Assignon his replacement?

He's his competition I would imagine

[ClaretPete001]

I have no idea how good Assignon is but he is struggling to hold down a place in a League nowhere near as good as the PL. I think Roberts was hard done to be honest - a little like Cullen. He was played at LB when VK was at the peak of his barminess and was played in a high pressing 4-3-3 behind Kolosheo and whoever before we reverted to 4-4-2.

I don't think Roberts is a solid PL player but neither is Vitinho and Assignon is a 23 year old struggling to get games in Ligue 1 for Rennes.

I just don't know where this is all going. It could be a genius like move to get the players we need where we are weak or just more rank barminess from Pace and co.

Time will tell I guess.

[taio]

That's as maybe, but it's pretty common for young foreign lads to struggle in their first few seasons in English football, especially in the PL. Like I said, you very often see very expensive players have exactly the same issues - Gvardiol was absolute crap against Forfana and he cost 80+ million and has been pretty poor all season whilst playing in the best team on the planet with a fantastic group of players and the best manager. Why would anyone expect Vitinho to thrive especially this season in what has for the most part been a weak effort from everyone.

I don't think anyone was expecting him to thrive this season. That's sort of the point - he's not good enough at right back. And I certainly wouldn't give any player a few seasons to adapt whilst getting in the starting eleven on a regular basis.

[Vegas Claret]

I don't think anyone was expecting him to thrive this season. That's sort of the point - he's not good enough at right back. And I certainly wouldn't give any player a few seasons to adapt whilst getting in the starting eleven on a regular basis.

yet the guy with more football knowledge than all of us did......

[taio]

yet the guy with more football knowledge than all of us did......

Did what?

[Vegas Claret]

Did what?

'And I certainly wouldn't give any player a few seasons to adapt whilst getting in the starting eleven on a regular basis.'

yet the manager did

[taio]

'And I certainly wouldn't give any player a few seasons to adapt whilst getting in the starting eleven on a regular basis.'

yet the manager did

I've no idea what you're on about. Our manager has only been here two seasons.

[Vegas Claret]

I've no idea what you're on about. Our manager has only been here two seasons.

are you being daft on purpose T ? he's been here virtually the same time as Vitinho and despite you saying you wouldn't give him a few years Kompany has played him 51 times in the league over the period.

Kompany joined 14th June 2002
Vitinho joined 28th July 2022

[taio]

are you being daft on purpose T ? he's been here virtually the same time as Vitinho and despite you saying you wouldn't give him a few years Kompany has played him 51 times in the league over the period.

Kompany joined 14th June 2002
Vitinho joined 28th July 2022

No I'm not being daft. You said the manager has given him a few seasons to adapt. That's simply not true. For a start the manager has only been here just over a season and a half. That's not 'a few seasons'. So it's you who is being daft on this occasion.

[Vegas Claret]

No I'm not being daft. You said the manager has given him a few seasons to adapt. That's simply not true. For a start the manager has only been here just over a season and a half. That's not 'a few seasons'. So it's you who is being daft on this occasion.

did you bother reading where that was initially said ? I'm guessing not because that reference was clearly for 'young foreign lads, especially in the PL'...........so as Vitniho has only been in the PL for 16 games it clearly wasn't about him. Context is a wonderful thing.

[taio]

'And I certainly wouldn't give any player a few seasons to adapt whilst getting in the starting eleven on a regular basis.'

yet the manager did

You said this you dimwit.

[Vegas Claret]

You said this you dimwit.

you crack on being pedantic over a few months as is your prerogative, I've told you the context and yet you ignore that and continue with your predictable pedantry. Don't bother replying, I won't see it.

[Carlos the Great]

We can’t keep buying new players without either loaning some out or selling a few on to balance the books .. I like Roberts but we need to improve the team to stay in this league as currently we aren’t good enough .. hopefully the new players coming in will actually get some game time and make a difference .. we need them to ..

[Belgianclaret]

Roberts wasn’t our main problem this season. Had his ups and downs but never looked disinterested and gave his all.
I’ll always respect him for giving Weghorst an earful in that international.
Vitinho is what he is, a squad player and a gap filler. Certainly not the replacement we need for Roberts. Let’s hope the new guy turns out to be a significant improvement…

[northeastclaret]

Roberts wasn’t our main problem this season. Had his ups and downs but never looked disinterested and gave his all.
I’ll always respect him for giving Weghorst an earful in that international.
Vitinho is what he is, a squad player and a gap filler. Certainly not the replacement we need for Roberts. Let’s hope the new guy turns out to be a significant improvement…

A key point IMO is that Vitinho continues to improve, whereas Roberts hasn’t improved as a player for a longtime and at a level below what we all hoped for when he signed.

Oh for another Trippier at full back.

[bobinho]

I'd love to know what it is they see in him.

He's the least skillful Brazilian player I think I've ever seen.

One word….

Fred.

You’re welcome.

[JohnMac]

Well, no, it isn't.

I haven't seen anyone say he's not good enough to play professional football. All anyone has said is that he doesn't look good enough for the Premier League, which is pretty much my take on him as well. Fine at the level below but this one looks a step too far and at this stage in his career, it's a step you'd be surprised if he made it.

I take your point as my wording was perhaps wrong but plenty of unqualified fans are saying he ISN'T good enough.

[sjb]

I'd love to know what it is they see in him.

He's the least skillful Brazilian player I think I've ever seen.

You obviously never saw Serginho

[Goliath]

A key point IMO is that Vitinho continues to improve, whereas Roberts hasn’t improved as a player for a longtime and at a level below what we all hoped for when he signed.

Oh for another Trippier at full back.

Vitinho isnt improving. If anything hes getting worse.

[fidelcastro]

You obviously never saw Serginho

Not only that, I've never even heard of him

[dougcollins]

Leeds will go up and Roberts won't be back.

[sjb]

Not only that, I've never even heard of him

Be grateful