Wout is such a knob isn’t he?

[Goobs]

OUT Weghorst

[boatshed bill]

He looked far better than Harry Kane tonight.

He may have looked better but he is nothing like as good as Kane; we all know this really.

[Robbie_painter]

He may have looked better but he is nothing like as good as Kane; we all know this really.

And he really didn’t

[Robbie_painter]

Who else laughed when they brought wout on?

[Quickenthetempo]

He may have looked better but he is nothing like as good as Kane; we all know this really.

Defo, but Kane looks about 50% fit.

[Hipper]

I thought Wout played his part. Wound up Stones, got about a bit and was close to a goal a couple of times.

[jos]

Well him being in the shop window for the last few weeks should help us move him on.

[clarets1978]

I am convinced Wout is a human Rorschach Test.
His tenure at Man U was very mixed at best- his pressing and link play was consistent but didn't yield a ton as he was isolated by his teammates, they tended to score more without him- possibly because they didn't isolate whoever replaced him, possibly because he wasn't hugely productive, possibly both.
His career record is generally very impressive, including at the highest possible levels of international football, and as this tournament has shown he can offer more than goals.

But these comments show that even when he was at Burnley people saw what they wanted to. Everyone insists he was used as a head on a stick by Dyche and he just wasn't. Check the heatmaps for average positions, check the pressing & passing stats, compare them to Jay/Wood, Barnes/Wood etc.

When Wout arrived, Jay was used in the Wood role- high, up top forward on the edge of the offside line. Wout was used in the Jay/Barnes role, more like Jay than Barnes in terms of his movement and dropping deep, but with elements of Barnes' holdup and link play. He did this well in some games, notably when Cork returned, less well in others (although the Cork stuff is part revisionism too, I do think he ought to have had a couple more games but he had been dropped because he'd been dreadful in the early half of the season).

Yet people will swear blind that Wout was used as Wood's replacement and a head on a stick when he just plain was not played in that role by Dyche and instead Jay was shuffled into the Wood role, or that Dyche didn't want him when Dyche played him every game and it was Jackson who dropped him. Dyche claimed they'd targeted Wout for a while, I believe that, as a partner for Wood, not a replacement, but when Wood left I suspect Pace was pretty limited in who he'd be willing to let Dyche sign. So the square peg change was Jay into the Wood role. Again, check heat maps, pressing etc if you don't believe me. The problem wasn't that Wout didn't fit into the system, it was that we'd just lost the best fit for the main frontman in that system and so had to move a support striker into that role- and it wasn't Wout who moved.

I was quoted on this post but I think you've missed the point of what I have meant. I never said he was a head on a stick. The football and approach to games/tactics are different with any manager. Wout would have needed to play a different way under Sean Dyche, we were always 2nd best in possession and more was expected of our attackers in terms of defending. I think there are quite a number of players in our squad now that would have struggled just the same

[deanothedino]

Who else laughed when they brought wout on?

After seeing how he changed the game against Turkey, not really. Big part of how they got so far in the tournament. Weird our fans have such an irrational hate for the guy.

[spt_claret]

I was quoted on this post but I think you've missed the point of what I have meant. I never said he was a head on a stick. The football and approach to games/tactics are different with any manager. Wout would have needed to play a different way under Sean Dyche, we were always 2nd best in possession and more was expected of our attackers in terms of defending. I think there are quite a number of players in our squad now that would have struggled just the same

To be fair every time I've seen Weghorst for club or country he's always provided a hell of a lot of defensive work. Perhaps sometimes too much so as it means he's not able to get back to an attacking position quick enough due to his limited pace.

I don't think he was nearly as effective as we hoped he'd be for us, but I think the game he played under Dyche was pretty similar to his usual game, only real difference was he was more linking for one striker (Jay) or occasionally Cornet on the flank, rather than for two advanced wingers, the shape was different but his role was pretty similar.

[Burnley Ace]

After seeing how he changed the game against Turkey, not really. Big part of how they got so far in the tournament. Weird our fans have such an irrational hate for the guy.

It’s because he put his own career before the club. He’s an employee not a fan.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

I can sum him up with one word, which doesn't say how good or bad he is, but that I think most people will agree with.

Wout Weghorst is....

unorthodox

[deanothedino]

It’s because he put his own career before the club. He’s an employee not a fan.

And he went the right way about it. Had an agreement in place. Compared to say Muric who just stopped turning up to work.

[Woodleyclaret]

We need to get Wout sold asap

[superdimitri]

And he went the right way about it. Had an agreement in place. Compared to say Muric who just stopped turning up to work.

Yes, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
Weghorst was professional enough to know he needed to turn up to training at Burnley and did it no matter feeling he didn't want to be in the club.