ARTICLE: Collins departs for Wolves after one year at Burnley

[boatshed bill]

Couple of people on here saying there is nothing to suggest he wanted to go.

I my be simplifying matters a little, bit signing a 6 year contract for another club 100 miles away, makes me think he wasn’t exactly chaining himself to the railings at Barnfield.

Very nicely put.

[fidelcastro]

Apparently he's the most expensive Irish transfer of all time!

Still not enough for some on here though

[boatshed bill]

Apparently he's the most expensive Irish transfer of all time!

Still not enough for some on here though

That is not taking inflation into account.
We all know Jimmy Mac was the record for an Irishman.

[fidelcastro]

That is not taking inflation into account.
We all know Jimmy Mac was the record for an Irishman.

Ulsterman

[karatekid]

Just wondering if anybody on here has a nice house for sale. Say around a million pounds. I want one with a bit of land attached that does not have planning permission at the moment. Once I get the house I want to build 4 houses on the lot. My offer is to give you 100k deposit and then pay you the remaining 900k when I get the planning permission. If the planning application is turned down then I will want you to loan me 900k to fund my payment of the balance due to you. Sounds fair enough deal to me. Oh and the price must include the 5 pieces of artwork In your lounge that currently have an estimated value of 100k each

You could always just buy a car off KRBFC instead.

[SouthLondonexile]

Very disappointed !

[ksrclaret]

At the moment, £20m for Collins isn't a bad fee. If he'd stayed with us this year and had a fantastic season, he may have been pushing the £30m mark no doubt. However, we've chosen to cash in now (and maybe Collins himself was pushing hard for the move) and we've just got to hope we can continue our good work this summer in strengthening the squad. We could do with some slightly older now with a couple more seasons of good experience under their belts, exactly like Cullen.

[RVclaret]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but a Wolves reporter is suggesting Stoke will get between 4-5m of the fee as the sell on clause was a % of the total fee, not just profit. That’s a sickener if true.

[gandhisflipflop]

What's the reset? people keep claiming this reset and rebuild but where is it? The majority of players who have left are big big misses or players who never featured. The players who needed replacing are still here...

Who? Name them.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but a Wolves reporter is suggesting Stoke will get between 4-5m of the fee as the sell on clause was a % of the total fee, not just profit. That’s a sickener if true.

Just seen that.

It just re confirms my opinion that there was a release clause. No way are we selling him for a couple million profit

[RVclaret]

Just seen that.

It just re confirms my opinion that there was a release clause. No way are we selling him for a couple million profit

Yeah a bizarre deal all round really. Needing a release clause in the first place for a young player on a long contract, then the low release clause itself (considering the % Stoke take from it which leaves us with a 4m profit).

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yeah a bizarre deal all round really. Needing a release clause in the first place for a young player on a long contract, then the low release clause itself (considering the % Stoke take from it which leaves us with a 4m profit).

Given we have still got pay off the original sum this transfer will leave us will single figure (millions) to spend.

[RVclaret]

Given we have still got pay off the original sum this transfer will leave us will single figure (millions) to spend.

Quite possibly - if the report on the clause is accurate. I must admit, I thought it was very rare to see a % of the entire sale in deals, and it’s usually % of profit.

I think we still owe 6-9m to Stoke of the original deal.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Quite possibly - if the report on the clause is accurate. I must admit, I thought it was very rare to see a % of the entire sale in deals, and it’s usually % of profit.

I think we still owe 6-9m to Stoke of the original deal.

Just seems a dead weird move all round

[RVclaret]

Just seems a dead weird move all round

Im sure it will come out for sure in the Stoke press at some point soon

[Spijed]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but a Wolves reporter is suggesting Stoke will get between 4-5m of the fee as the sell on clause was a % of the total fee, not just profit. That’s a sickener if true.

So we are barely making any profit on the deal if true.

So much for the business model of buying low/sell high.

[KRBFC]

Who? Name them.

People have been saying we need a rebuild and reset for a long while, I assume that meant replacing players who featured for us like Barnes, Rodriguez, Westwood, Cork, Gudmundsson. Not replacing people who never played like Bardsley and Stephens, or replacing our best players like Mee, Tarkowski, Pope, Collins, Cornet.

[boatshed bill]

So we are barely making any profit on the deal if true.

So much for the business model of buying low/sell high.

That model is yet to be fully put in place.
We still have plenty of the old model (EG: buy old, keep until worn out)

[Big Vinny K]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but a Wolves reporter is suggesting Stoke will get between 4-5m of the fee as the sell on clause was a % of the total fee, not just profit. That’s a sickener if true.

Never known a sell on fee to be structured in that way. Always been on the profit…..or else if you sold a player at a loss you would still be paying a percentage to the other club. That would be a crazy way to operate.

Just do not believe this to be true - but guess we will find out in time through the published accounts.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Quite possibly - if the report on the clause is accurate. I must admit, I thought it was very rare to see a % of the entire sale in deals, and it’s usually % of profit.

I think we still owe 6-9m to Stoke of the original deal.

I don't think we're automatically obliged to pay off Stoke now we've sold Collins, depending on the terms of the agreement we could be paying it off for a year or two if that's what we want to do, especially as we don't know if Wolves are paying it all up front or have the payments spread out.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Godfrey went for 25 rising to 30m

My bad, the report I saw said £20 million.

Either way, it's not ridiculous money

[arise_sir_charge]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but a Wolves reporter is suggesting Stoke will get between 4-5m of the fee as the sell on clause was a % of the total fee, not just profit. That’s a sickener if true.

Suspect that is utter nonsense.

It would mean we pay them extra even if there was no profit on our sale and I can’t think that I’ve ever heard of a deal shaped in that manner.

It would be more likely that the sell on would reduce in the event a pre agreed release clause was triggered,

However it’s good to see that Newcastle has jumped on it as it feeds his desire to believe/think the worst.

[Swizzlestick]

Oh god, he’s back.

[fidelcastro]

Oh god, he’s back.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.

[Rileybobs]

Oh god, he’s back.

Flabbergasted that the ban wasn’t permanent.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Wheres ablueclaret gone he was the best on here by a country mile

[fidelcastro]

Wheres ablueclaret gone he was the best on here by a country mile

He wasn't, but at least he wasn't a racist.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

He wasn't, but at least he wasn't a racist.

I thought he was unintentionally funny bit of a marmite poster (ablue).

[DCWat]

I thought he was unintentionally funny bit of a marmite poster (ablue).

Currently peddling the virtues of Tarkowski in the centre of midfield on Grand Old Team.

[fidelcastro]

I thought he was unintentionally funny bit of a marmite poster (ablue).

I could never work out if he was on the wind-up or not.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Currently peddling the virtues of Tarkowski in the centre of midfield on Grand Old Team.

The funny thing about his obsession for this is that Tarks actualy did play in midfield off the bench a few times when he was serving his apprenticeship in the team when Keane was in front of him, thought he did pretty well, must have been last ten minutes only but still.

[Tricky Trevor]

It's disappointing that his last two games at home he had shockers against Villa and Newcastle. Other than that, he did well for us and it's a blow losing him.

And he had a shocker at Brentford, where on top of giving a pen away he lost us our no red card record. So from 18 games there are 3 shockers, maybe he wasn’t as good as Kevin Long?

[joey13]

Apparently he's the most expensive Irish transfer of all time!

Still not enough for some on here though

That makes no sense whatsoever

[CaptJohn]

The facts are that if a good offer comes in for the club cat then he's off. This was always the case during the old days when Bob Lord was in charge and it worked well. It was hard to stomach as a fan but it did keep the club competitive. Get used to this new business model because it's here as long as ALK are in charge and I for one are giving them the benefit of the doubt. (Just expect a roller coaster ride along the way)

[willsclarets]

Gutted about this one. I really hoped we’d keep him for one more year. Out of all the centre backs we’ve had in the Dyche era, I genuinely think he’s the best or will be. He’ll go right to the very top in my opinion, ending up playing with teams that can win the champions league

[dandeclaret]

The facts are that if a good offer comes in for the club cat then he's off. This was always the case during the old days when Bob Lord was in charge and it worked well. It was hard to stomach as a fan but it did keep the club competitive. Get used to this new business model because it's here as long as ALK are in charge and I for one are giving them the benefit of the doubt. (Just expect a roller coaster ride along the way)

It worked well under Bob Lord, because the club was ahead of it's time, and could pick up the best young players. That world is long gone now, and incomparable to where Burnley FC is today.

[arise_sir_charge]

Oh god, he’s back.

Please clarify who you’re talking about as your post follows mine and then there is talk of bans and racism, I don’t want associating with that.

[arise_sir_charge]

It worked well under Bob Lord, because the club was ahead of it's time, and could pick up the best young players. That world is long gone now, and incomparable to where Burnley FC is today.

That’s a bit of a simplistic view. Other clubs trade well these days.

[gandhisflipflop]

People have been saying we need a rebuild and reset for a long while, I assume that meant replacing players who featured for us like Barnes, Rodriguez, Westwood, Cork, Gudmundsson. Not replacing people who never played like Bardsley and Stephens, or replacing our best players like Mee, Tarkowski, Pope, Collins, Cornet.

You know that Barnes had a year in his favour don’t you? Otherwise he would have been released. Westwood and cork are invaluable at this level, as will Jay. JBG is still under contract, and given his injury record, who is going to take him? Cornet is still here, tarks and Collins were offered PL deals so left (understandable) which leaves Ben mee, stephens and Bardsley. Stephens wasn’t missed last season, nor was Bardsley so rather than saying we have replaced them, we have got rid of some dead wood So I really don’t see your point. You can’t replace an entire squad in one window.

[DCWat]

It worked well under Bob Lord, because the club was ahead of it's time, and could pick up the best young players. That world is long gone now, and incomparable to where Burnley FC is today.

I’m not suggesting that we will ever be able to attract the best youngsters, with how things have moved on. It does though, I think, emphasise why having the higher category academy was / is important.

It seems to have gone very quiet on that front, unless I’ve missed something?

We will always play second fiddle to the bigger clubs and bigger pockets. I’d sort of hoped though, that we would be trying to build a reputation for being a great club for young players to learn, develop and make their way into first team football.

A selling club (probably always) but one that is an attractive option and shows a clear path, not blocked by massive money signings. Perhaps I’m expecting too much.

I’ve read you and others talk about how much work went in to developing relationships with families to give them confidence that their child would be in great hands - which I think was lost under Howe. We need to get that back.

[ervi34]

Just tweeted this. Will repeat here.

Hopefully a few good players will be bought with that money.

Good luck to Collins. A shame his brief time will be remembered as a failure, some great performances and goals but his red card and handball were pivotal and naive. He’ll be a star - but isn’t yet.

Why do you think that his red card was pivotal? We were already 1-0 down and because of it he missed the game against City which we were always going to lose.

[ClaretTony]

And he had a shocker at Brentford, where on top of giving a pen away he lost us our no red card record. So from 18 games there are 3 shockers, maybe he wasn’t as good as Kevin Long?

Didn’t have a shocker at Brentford in my view. He just gave a pen away at the end with us all but beaten anyway.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Why do you think that his red card was pivotal? We were already 1-0 down and because of it he missed the game against City which we were always going to lose.

The red card was also about the last minute of injury time as well

[Top Claret]

A Burnley fan called Rowls singing praise for Collins on the Wolves Forum, he goes on to tell them that they have got themselves a bargain and that the lad will be worth 60 million plus in 2 years time .

It appears to be Wolves 1st signing of the window and they are over the moon

[fidelcastro]

That makes no sense whatsoever

Why doesn't it?

[joey13]

Why doesn't it?

A players value is based on his ability and potential, not the country he was born in .

[jedi_master]

Does anyone know if we definitively have a sell on with Collins, or are we not allowed one due to the fact it was a release clause?

[Rileybobs]

The red card was also about the last minute of injury time as well

That’s true, but it was a naive challenge considering Toney’s record from the spot. And it caused him to miss the next game, although in fairness that was against Man City so probably didn’t damage us. He then scored on his return to the side against Everton.

[fidelcastro]

A players value is based on his ability and potential, not the country he was born in .

Obviously, but it's still a national record. Not bad in the grand scheme of things.

[warksclaret]

Some quarters on here raising Collins to an outstanding level of centre half. He was a great signing for us, and showed great potential and improvement-he let no one down at our club. However the minute he puts that Wolves shirt on again he is the real world again, up against some of the world's best strikers. He will be fighting for his place and when they play 4 at the back could well be on the bench. He has some way to go yet to reach the pinnacles some on here are quoting in trying to justify why we only got £20m