Joey Barton

[Stockbrokerbelt]

I follow him on instagram which will becoming to an end & I’m embarrassed that he ever played in the claret & blue, his family has an history of issues with race & sadly so does Joey. Some of his posts on immigration & women are embarrassing & sad & should be removed, call him out & the bully appears. I think joey thinks he’s some sort of life shaper & has endless excuses for his history past & present with an odd idea of acceptable behaviour.

[Big Vinny K]

No you won’t

Weird

[ecc]

"He kicked his wife in the head, Ian. I know you’re not a big fan of women, but surely you can bring yourself to condemn that."

Quote of the day thus far.

[ecc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj92k80m7llo

Found guilty of kicking his wife in the head , amazingly no prison sentence.

You should serve time for kicking anybody in the head. Kicking a woman in the head is sick and he shouldn't be walking the streets.

What bloody message does that verdict give out?

[Jakubclaret]

You should serve time for kicking anybody in the head. Kicking a woman in the head is sick and he shouldn't be walking the streets.

What bloody message does that verdict give out?

That the prisons are full it's something some of us have known for a long time so it's something that doesn't come as a shock. People have committed more serious offences & dodged custodial. If we want criminals to get the punishment their deserve we need to have the resources to build more prisons or ideally counter people committing crime in the first place.

[ecc]

That the prisons are full it's something some of us have known for a long time so it's something that doesn't come as a shock. People have committed more serious offences & dodged custodial. If we want criminals to get the punishment their deserve we need to have the resources to build more prisons or ideally counter people committing crime in the first place.

That there aren't enough cells is a fact and one that desperately needs addressing.

Women need to know they are safe but sentences like this won't reassure them.

[Jakubclaret]

That there aren't enough cells is a fact and one that desperately needs addressing.

Women need to know they are safe but sentences like this won't reassure them.

Domestic violence is rife & is often concealed for years & sometimes never even detected. Without victim blaming some women often stay with their abusive partner whilst getting battered daily so in some cases it's difficult to help people who don't want to be helped. If somebody was beating me up on a regular basis I'd be doing everything possible to run in the opposite direction but unfortunately some people aren't like me. It's a difficult problem to address for sure.

[ecc]

I agree with you, Jakubclaret. I don't think men can understand what it's like for women who are beaten by their partners. Police attitudes have changed; I believe today women who wish to report domestic violence are always interviewed by female officers.

I think we both agree if there were more prison cells men who do this should serve time?

[Rowls]

You should serve time for kicking anybody in the head. Kicking a woman in the head is sick and he shouldn't be walking the streets.

What bloody message does that verdict give out?

Agree with you. Im not sure if the sentencing was extremely diminished in this case because his wife stood by him and refused to press the charges or testify?

[Jakubclaret]

I agree with you, Jakubclaret. I don't think men can understand what it's like for women who are beaten by their partners. Police attitudes have changed; I believe today women who wish to report domestic violence are always interviewed by female officers.

I think we both agree if there were more prison cells men who do this should serve time?

I'm opposed to prisons because I don't believe the prisons are tough enough & some people don't rehabilitate I'd even argue they come out worse than before they went in. We should be more selective with choosing our partners but even that's difficult because from the start things are different but in time turn sinister. It's mindful to remember also that some men also suffer abuse in relationships even though not on the same scale it happens we don't know the accurate figures for that because men are far more reluctant to report anything due to masculinity pride.

[TsarBomba]

Police attitudes have changed; I believe today women who wish to report domestic violence are always interviewed by female officers.

No that’s not the case.

But there is a positive action policy when it comes to the Police response regarding domestic incidents. If an allegation is made, then 99/100 an arrest will be made, even if the ‘victim’ doesn’t support a police prosecution. At the very least risk will be mitigated.

The Police response from what I see/have seen over the years is very good- the difficulty has always been getting charges when it is often one word against another, and understandably victims not supporting or withdrawing support at a later stage.

And I completely agree with Jakub, domestic violence is rife and a scourge on our society- much like knife crime, but it’s concealed and behind closed doors.

[ecc]

No that’s not the case.

But there is a positive action policy when it comes to the Police response regarding domestic incidents. If an allegation is made, then 99/100 an arrest will be made, even if the ‘victim’ doesn’t support a police prosecution. At the very least risk will be mitigated.

The Police response from what I see/have seen over the years is very good- the difficulty has always been getting charges when it is often one word against another, and understandably victims not supporting or withdrawing support at a later stage.

And I completely agree with Jakub, domestic violence is rife and a scourge on our society- much like knife crime, but it’s concealed and behind closed doors.

Hi TsarBomba,

Are you saying women who report domestic violence are not interviewed by female officers?

They certainly should be.

[Rowls]

I'm opposed to prisons because I don't believe the prisons are tough enough & some people don't rehabilitate I'd even argue they come out worse than before they went in.

There's a modern blind spot that sees prison solely as a way of "reforming" prisoners.

You can only reform those who want to repent.

There are two other functions of prison beyond rehabilitation which are far more important for a civilized society:

Punishing crime
Removing criminals from society

Prison does an excellent job on both these fronts.

[TsarBomba]

Hi TsarBomba,

Are you saying women who report domestic violence are not interviewed by female officers?

They certainly should be.

Not they are not, and why should they be? The allegation will be taken by anybody- officers, staff, male, female. It doesn’t matter.

And the person who is arrested is interviewed. A person making an allegation will provide a statement, and if it’s a domestic there’s a few other bits like a risk assessment which is a set of questions and referrals to support agencies.

[IanMcL]

The lengths you go to defend him is frightening.

Not defending him at all.

Just an observation.

[ecc]

We clearly disagree but I think it should be a female officer as in the case of rape.

But I respect your opinion.

[TsarBomba]

We clearly disagree but I think it should be a female officer as in the case of rape.

But I respect your opinion.

It’s not an opinion.

And male officers take allegations of rape- I’ve taken plenty.

[ecc]

Ok, didn't know your job.

[Big Vinny K]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... kg8kjlp80o

Looks like Barton has got what he wants irrespective of the final court decision.

There’s enough stupid people in this world who hang on to his every word and whether it’s the truth or not it’s irrelevant. Very soon standing up to people like Barton can backfire on you with the mob mentality and abuse you see online.

Same thing happened to Jeremy Vine and I would not be surprised if both of them regret challenging Barton for his abuse and lies.

[Woodleyclaret]

Why are we even running stories on a player we had years ago.This is like the sad Cantona chanting at Manure. Time to stop please

[wadeswondergoal]

Never mention a player who previously played for this club again.

Only present and future players allowed, by order of Woodleyclaret.

[Big Vinny K]

Why are we even running stories on a player we had years ago.This is like the sad Cantona chanting at Manure. Time to stop please

Does this count for Dyche, Barry Kilby, Michael Duff, Muric etc etc ?

I mean it’s a real minefield but feel free to tell us all what we can and can’t post on.

Or possibly easier for you is don’t log on to a topic you are not interested in ?

[boyyanno]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... kg8kjlp80o

Looks like Barton has got what he wants irrespective of the final court decision.

There’s enough stupid people in this world who hang on to his every word and whether it’s the truth or not it’s irrelevant. Very soon standing up to people like Barton can backfire on you with the mob mentality and abuse you see online.

Same thing happened to Jeremy Vine and I would not be surprised if both of them regret challenging Barton for his abuse and lies.

Barton is a vile human for sure.

I personally doubt wether this stuff has negatively impacted Eni Alukos career though. If anything women are getting better represented in football and there are a lot of better pundits than her so it may be that that's why her opportunities have been more limited.

I don't think Eni Aluko presents herself well around this whole situation to be honest, she's keen to see Barton punished for actions against her but she showcases the whole thing as Women Vs Men- when the reality is it should be everyone Vs Barton in my opinion.

[Big Vinny K]

Barton is a vile human for sure.

I personally doubt wether this stuff has negatively impacted Eni Alukos career though. If anything women are getting better represented in football and there are a lot of better pundits than her so it may be that that's why her opportunities have been more limited.

I don't think Eni Aluko presents herself well around this whole situation to be honest, she's keen to see Barton punished for actions against her but she showcases the whole thing as Women Vs Men- when the reality is it should be everyone Vs Barton in my opinion.

To be fair as she said herself the facts are that her work has dried up alarmingly since this blew up. You could say this is a coincidence I suppose but it does not appear to be to me.

I’m not for a minute saying that I think she was a great pundit or commentator. I don’t think she was but then again there are many people in that industry of both genders who I think are awful - but what do we know about what the media bosses are looking for when they are giving out these jobs ?!!

I also agree that the best person regardless of gender should get the jobs. But unfortunately that is not what Barton is saying. Even if that is what he initially was suggesting he has no idea how to articulate it and like you say he is a vile human and when you mix that with a platform with no rules then it’s pretty easy to “get away” with saying whatever you want.

On Aluko I guess she is a no win situation. For whatever reason she is now perceived as someone who is going to stand her corner and challenge behaviour and whilst you would think that would be an admirable characteristic in people who are bullied, abused and lied about the reality could be as she is now intimating that it ends up being a deterrent in that industry to getting work.

I can’t stand Jeremy Vine either but does not mean it’s right that Barton can say what he said about him or Aluko or the very long list of people he has now decided he despises.

[Woodleyclaret]

Usual clowns mussing the point

[boyyanno]

To be fair as she said herself the facts are that her work has dried up alarmingly since this blew up. You could say this is a coincidence I suppose but it does not appear to be to me.

I’m not for a minute saying that I think she was a great pundit or commentator. I don’t think she was but then again there are many people in that industry of both genders who I think are awful - but what do we know about what the media bosses are looking for when they are giving out these jobs ?!!

I also agree that the best person regardless of gender should get the jobs. But unfortunately that is not what Barton is saying. Even if that is what he initially was suggesting he has no idea how to articulate it and like you say he is a vile human and when you mix that with a platform with no rules then it’s pretty easy to “get away” with saying whatever you want.

On Aluko I guess she is a no win situation. For whatever reason she is now perceived as someone who is going to stand her corner and challenge behaviour and whilst you would think that would be an admirable characteristic in people who are bullied, abused and lied about the reality could be as she is now intimating that it ends up being a deterrent in that industry to getting work.

I can’t stand Jeremy Vine either but does not mean it’s right that Barton can say what he said about him or Aluko or the very long list of people he has now decided he despises.

I don't disagree with anything you've said, but I think she would find more support (not necessarily saying it's right) if she didn't push this as women vs men and kept it on the real issue- which is Bartons disgusting behavior imo. The following quote is an example:

"This happens in lots of industries - when women stand up for themselves, their career takes a hit".

She then references how women are still underrepresented etc (not saying I disagree with it) but I see the two things as separate issues- One being Bartons disgusting behavior and two being misogyny in football.

I'm not saying the two aren't linked given the content and nature of Bartons tweets and behavior but sometimes she comes across as she's using the Barton stuff as a vehicle and I just don't think it's needed.

[wadeswondergoal]

Usual clowns mussing the point

And what exactly is your point? It’s not as if you've even remotely put a valid point across.

PS - calling people clowns won’t endear you to people, it just makes you look a bit daft.

[Big Vinny K]

Usual clowns mussing the point

What pint are we mussing Einstein ?