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Re: Lampard gone

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:16 pm

Gaia wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:28 pm
Everton want to appoint a manager by Friday. The 3 names in the running are Marcelo Bielsa, Sean Dyche and Ralph Hassenhuttl.
https://twitter.com/EFCdaily_/status/16 ... V4hDg&s=19
Hmm! one of those already has a PL relegation on his CV, and the remaining two have hardly set the PL alight during their tenure in England.

Mind you that's the stature of club Everton are presently, a lower end PL club battling relegation, so managers aren't exactly going to be queueing up for that hotseat with all the pitfalls it might entail.

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Post by IanMcL » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:35 pm

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:16 pm
Hmm! one of those already has a PL relegation on his CV, and the remaining two have hardly set the PL alight during their tenure in England.

Mind you that's the stature of club Everton are presently, a lower end PL club battling relegation, so managers aren't exactly going to be queueing up for that hotseat with all the pitfalls it might entail.
If I was Sean Dyche and preparing for interview (plus powerpoints) for the Everton job I'd be focusing on the ability to get them back up again. Yes, can provide an answer to question "how would you ensure we weren't relegated...?" but, part of his response must be that the Jan transfer window is almost closed, so focus on what he has achieved with limited resources at Burnley, including 2 top 10 finishes, in addition to 2 promotions from Championship, the second bouncing back in one season. I'd also be talking about their new stadium and make the case that they need to be in a position to maximise the value of the new stadium with the club back in the Premier League. So, don't measure his success by where Everton finish this season, but measure it by where they are 2 seasons later and be ready to back him with a strong squad re-build. I'd also include a clip of the 24 pass goal to show what a well organised and motivated team can achieve.

Good luck, Sean Dyche.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:47 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:36 pm
If I was Sean Dyche and preparing for interview (plus powerpoints) for the Everton job I'd be focusing on the ability to get them back up again. Yes, can provide an answer to question "how would you ensure we weren't relegated...?" but, part of his response must be that the Jan transfer window is almost closed, so focus on what he has achieved with limited resources at Burnley, including 2 top 10 finishes, in addition to 2 promotions from Championship, the second bouncing back in one season. I'd also be talking about their new stadium and make the case that they need to be in a position to maximise the value of the new stadium with the club back in the Premier League. So, don't measure his success by where Everton finish this season, but measure it by where they are 2 seasons later and be ready to back him with a strong squad re-build. I'd also include a clip of the 24 pass goal to show what a well organised and motivated team can achieve.

Good luck, Sean Dyche.

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That all sounds wonderful in theory, however we all know that if SD (assuming it is him) gets off to a poor start he'll be under extreme pressure from the Everton fans, how often do managers get time to implement any long term plans these days, and it's worth noting that it took Sean about 6 months to sort out his squad at Burnley before we became a force in the Championship.

Looking through Everton's recent managers and many haven't survived a year at the helm, post Moyes Martinez is the next longest serving at around 3 years, Ancelotti did about 18 months, but the rest have been incredibly short appointments.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Spiral » Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:07 pm

Chobulous wrote:
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I hate it when words are used completely out of context just because the poster has heard it used by some knobhead pundit or sports journalist. Turgid is not a word that can be applied to a style of football. It means swollen or distended.
Rant over
I've heard the word 'turgid' used so often in football that it practically has assumed a meaning in the context of football that is synonymous with 'crap' or 'shite'. It shares the structural unit, /tur/, with the word 'turd', and I reckon this is where the association comes from: turd=turgid. The meaning that the poster was attempting to communicate was clear enough for you to recognise the incorrect use of the word turgid (by the poster, and as you point out, by pundits), and an awareness of its misuse presupposes an understanding of the intended meaning to such a degree that I suspect you might be able to suggest a more 'correct' word to use, so what is the problem, truly, beyond bugbearing pedantry?

Nobody reading this thread could read a sentence like, "the football Dyche played was turgid," and not understand it to mean, "the football was horrible." Most people certainly aren't going to read it and become horribly confused, wondering how distention could relate to this context, not least because anyone with a reading comprehension sufficient to recognise, 1. the incorrect use of the word 'turgid', 2. that 'turgid' describes something which is distended, and 3. the meaning of the word distended itself — such a person would usually be literate to the point that they are beyond caring for tedious prescriptive linguistics, and would almost certainly be forgiving in understanding the intention in the use of the word. Your problem is not necessarily the communicability of the poster, so what is it, apart from stuffy old conservatism? My suspicion is that this is not about language; you simply disagree with their appraisal of Sean Dyche, and you wouldn't have pulled up anyone who misuses the word in a defence of Dyche.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:17 pm

Spiral wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:07 pm
I've heard the word 'turgid' used so often in football that it practically has assumed a meaning in the context of football that is synonymous with 'crap' or 'shite'. It shares the structural unit, /tur/, with the word 'turd', and I reckon this is where the association comes from: turd=turgid. The meaning that the poster was attempting to communicate was clear enough for you to recognise the incorrect use of the word turgid (by the poster, and as you point out, by pundits), and an awareness of its misuse presupposes an understanding of the intended meaning to such a degree that I suspect you might be able to suggest a more 'correct' word to use, so what is the problem, truly, beyond bugbearing pedantry?

Nobody reading this thread could read a sentence like, "the football Dyche played was turgid," and not understand it to mean, "the football was horrible." Most people certainly aren't going to read it and become horribly confused, wondering how distention could relate to this context, not least because anyone with a reading comprehension sufficient to recognise, 1. the incorrect use of the word 'turgid', 2. that 'turgid' describes something which is distended, and 3. the meaning of the word distended itself — such a person would usually be literate to the point that they are beyond caring for tedious prescriptive linguistics, and would almost certainly be forgiving in understanding the intention in the use of the word. Your problem is not necessarily the communicability of the poster, so what is it, apart from stuffy old conservatism? My suspicion is that this is not about language; you simply disagree with their appraisal of Sean Dyche, and you wouldn't have pulled up anyone who misuses the word in a defence of Dyche.
Bloody hell, this post is swollen and distended.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by clarethomer » Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:22 pm

according to the cambridge dictionary
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:06 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:17 pm
Bloody hell, this post is swollen and distended.
As the actress said to the Bishop...
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:07 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:17 pm
Bloody hell, this post is swollen and distended.
As the actress said to the Bishop...

Or, as Alex Ferguson nearly said, "Semantics. Bloody hell, eh?"

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Spiral » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:43 pm

I'm not wrong though. Can't stand people who drag others for typos, grammar, malapropisms etc. Their knobheads.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Bosscat » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:48 pm

Spiral wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:43 pm
I'm not wrong though. Can't stand people who drag others for typos, grammar, malapropisms etc. Their knobheads.
They're 😉



Sorry Spiral couldn't resist 🤭🤭🤭
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Spiral » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:52 pm

Thanks for explaining the punchline to everyone.
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:31 pm

Evertons management shortlist is a bit like this messageboard, all over the place.
One candidate is short term - keep them up . Another candidate solid, reliable, steady uninspiring from a fans point of view and a third candidate, well, although quite good just happens to be available.
No long term plan.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Stayingup » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:40 pm

Spiral wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:07 pm
I've heard the word 'turgid' used so often in football that it practically has assumed a meaning in the context of football that is synonymous with 'crap' or 'shite'. It shares the structural unit, /tur/, with the word 'turd', and I reckon this is where the association comes from: turd=turgid. The meaning that the poster was attempting to communicate was clear enough for you to recognise the incorrect use of the word turgid (by the poster, and as you point out, by pundits), and an awareness of its misuse presupposes an understanding of the intended meaning to such a degree that I suspect you might be able to suggest a more 'correct' word to use, so what is the problem, truly, beyond bugbearing pedantry?

Nobody reading this thread could read a sentence like, "the football Dyche played was turgid," and not understand it to mean, "the football was horrible." Most people certainly aren't going to read it and become horribly confused, wondering how distention could relate to this context, not least because anyone with a reading comprehension sufficient to recognise, 1. the incorrect use of the word 'turgid', 2. that 'turgid' describes something which is distended, and 3. the meaning of the word distended itself — such a person would usually be literate to the point that they are beyond caring for tedious prescriptive linguistics, and would almost certainly be forgiving in understanding the intention in the use of the word. Your problem is not necessarily the communicability of the poster, so what is it, apart from stuffy old conservatism? My suspicion is that this is not about language; you simply disagree with their appraisal of Sean Dyche, and you wouldn't have pulled up anyone who misuses the word in a defence of Dyche.
Ah Beak never mind your google check on the word in question. These days words and definitions can be and are 'stretched' to suit the narrative.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Gaia » Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:58 am

Farhad Moshiri wants new Everton manager hired on Thursday as Sean Dyche becomes new favourite.
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/26 ... favourite/

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Stayingup » Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:12 am

Gaia wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:58 am
Farhad Moshiri wants new Everton manager hired on Thursday as Sean Dyche becomes new favourite.
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/26 ... favourite/
As someone has mentioned earlier on this thread they have had managers who have gone onto manage top clubs, eg. Real Madrid and Barcelone and Silva is doing well at Fulham. So it would seem its not the manager thats the root cause of Everton's decline. No wonder Bielsa is hesitant. Dyche might well settle things down, we'll see. Seems they need a root and branch clearout.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:49 am

Stayingup wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:12 am
As someone has mentioned earlier on this thread they have had managers who have gone onto manage top clubs, eg. Real Madrid and Barcelone and Silva is doing well at Fulham. So it would seem its not the manager thats the root cause of Everton's decline. No wonder Bielsa is hesitant. Dyche might well settle things down, we'll see. Seems they need a root and branch clearout.
It's the same as the managers haven't been the problem at OT.
Some clubs just need a root and branch clear out, and Everton is one of them. Whoever gets the job will have his work cut out.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:12 am

Everton are reportedly trying to get MSD to buy a minority stake in the club

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:47 pm

Big Dunc removes himself from the running.

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Post by Gaia » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:23 pm

Marcelo Bielsa pictured arriving at Heathrow ahead of Everton talks, Dyche and Davide Ancelloti
also being considered.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... menubutton

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Stayingup » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:31 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:47 pm
Big Dunc removes himself from the running.
Wise man. Oh its quite nice in the Cotswolds!!!

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Clovius Boofus » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:32 pm

I do so hope it's Marcelo Bielsa's job. His brand of football will be a right laugh in the middle of a relegation dogfight.
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:34 pm

Why do they think Ancelotti jr would excite the fans?

Hes got zero experience and right now they need someone with some nous and experience of a relegation battle.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:36 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:34 pm
Why do they think Ancelotti jr would excite the fans?

Hes got zero experience and right now they need someone with some nous and experience of a relegation battle.
Mind blowing that he’s even a candidate (if true).

Sums up Everton that Bielsa and Dyche are the two main candidates, given both are an absolute opposite when it comes to everything about management and style.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by simonclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:43 pm

Gaia wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:58 am
Farhad Moshiri wants new Everton manager hired on Thursday as Sean Dyche becomes new favourite.
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/26 ... favourite/
“if he keeps the Toffees up it will be the biggest achievement of his managerial career”

:shock: :?

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:44 pm

Talking to a mad keen Toffee yesterday at Edgehill Uni, he was hoping Baelisa would come in and spend next season doing a Kompany in the Championship. His view, Everton are beyond saving and need a full re-structure before improvement can be sustained.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:48 pm

Leeds were running a wage bill of 144% to turnover in their final championship season.

I reckon Everton will smash that number if they're down there.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:55 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:44 pm
Talking to a mad keen Toffee yesterday at Edgehill Uni, he was hoping Baelisa would come in and spend next season doing a Kompany in the Championship. His view, Everton are beyond saving and need a full re-structure before improvement can be sustained.
I think he's right.
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by warksclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:35 pm

simonclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:43 pm
“if he keeps the Toffees up it will be the biggest achievement of his managerial career”

:shock: :?
If he wants someone in place that quick it has to be Dyche. If so be interesting if he goes for Woan & Stone to join him, and to see what happens to any of the remaining Everton coaches

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:52 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:35 pm
If he wants someone in place that quick it has to be Dyche. If so be interesting if he goes for Woan & Stone to join him, and to see what happens to any of the remaining Everton coaches
Everton are in the mess they are in because of all the wrong decisions that have been made throughout the years stemming from the top, bum decisions after bum decisions do you have any real confidence or conviction they’ll make the right decision now & appoint dyche I don’t.

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Post by Pearcey » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:55 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:44 pm
Talking to a mad keen Toffee yesterday at Edgehill Uni, he was hoping Baelisa would come in and spend next season doing a Kompany in the Championship. His view, Everton are beyond saving and need a full re-structure before improvement can be sustained.
Looking at Everton’s first team I really don’t think they need a rebuild. They just need some organisation and proper management. I think Dyche saves them and builds next season. Don’t think he’ll get the chance though.
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:04 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:55 pm
Looking at Everton’s first team I really don’t think they need a rebuild. They just need some organisation and proper management. I think Dyche saves them and builds next season. Don’t think he’ll get the chance though.
Dyche and Woan with Loughlan possibly - Dyche and Woan with Stone no chance

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Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:04 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:55 pm
Looking at Everton’s first team I really don’t think they need a rebuild. They just need some organisation and proper management. I think Dyche saves them and builds next season. Don’t think he’ll get the chance though.
Cannot really comment other than to repeat what he said, but he watches them home and away and for a young lad he has his head screwed on, he certainly does not think there is any quick fix. SD or Big Sam may keep them up, but it will just be a temporary patch, he believes instead root and branch changes are needed.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:17 pm

BBC now saying Baelisa is in London holding further talks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64416720

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Shaggy » Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:53 pm

Strong rumour that Bielsa and Dyche both impressed the Everton Hierarchy with a stumbling Block that Bielsa wants to take over in the summer.

The Ginger one could get it yet.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:01 pm

They will love losing 5, 6 nil per game under Bielsa with them all running around like headless chickens.

Either that or hoofball.

Their not very good at choosing managers are they.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:04 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:04 pm
Dyche and Woan with Loughlan possibly - Dyche and Woan with Stone no chance
Fortunately Stone is working elsewhere, I read somewhere. That can only be a good thing. New blood needed in his team. Signing Nick Pope and Ben Mee would sort most things. Possibly Charlie Taylor too. That back line is formidable.

The rest of that squad has huge potential, with a proper manager.

Good luck Mr D

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:05 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:17 pm
BBC now saying Baelisa is in London holding further talks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64416720
Did he bring his own bucket to sit on 🤭
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Post by equinox » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:09 pm

Apologies if this has already been brought to attention:

I think this Everton caller would like to see Dyche installed as the next manager:

https://youtu.be/A8l3AJ3Cudc

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Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:11 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:05 pm
Did he bring his own bucket to sit on 🤭
If he takes the Everton job he’ll not be sitting on it, he’ll need a shovel too. :lol:
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Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:19 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:05 pm
Did he bring his own bucket to sit on 🤭
This side is a pail imitation of previous Everton teams :lol:
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:26 pm

It looks like Bielsa is the owners choice but costs a fortune. Let's hope for reason rather than non football man deciding through whim.

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Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:37 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:53 pm
Strong rumour that Bielsa and Dyche both impressed the Everton Hierarchy with a stumbling Block that Bielsa wants to take over in the summer.

The Ginger one could get it yet.
Do you think that if what you say about Bielsa wanting to take over in the summer is true that he would be flying over for talks now ?
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by SouthLondonexile » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:38 pm

Sean Dyche might make a very good Everton manager.
TBH he’s got the credentials to get them into some kind of shape, before they even think going for bigger prizes such as a top six finish.
The place is however a graveyard for football careers as a player and manager. If he were to take my advice it would don’t touch them with a barge pole.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:40 pm

Perfect job for Dyche to rebuild his career, he would be mad not to go for it
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Re: Lampard gone

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:47 pm

SouthLondonexile wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:38 pm
Sean Dyche might make a very good Everton manager.
TBH he’s got the credentials to get them into some kind of shape, before they even think going for bigger prizes such as a top six finish.
The place is however a graveyard for football careers as a player and manager. If he were to take my advice it would don’t touch them with a barge pole.
Managers get to the top by backing themselves, often against the odds. Depends who fancies the risk, with a decent contract or head splitting bonus if Everton Survive. The owner will throw money at survival, there’s already sniggering about the great new future cultural museum that sits on the dockside. The owner needs to start saving face, before he can even consider rebuilding the fans trust.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:32 pm

SouthLondonexile wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:38 pm
Sean Dyche might make a very good Everton manager.
TBH he’s got the credentials to get them into some kind of shape, before they even think going for bigger prizes such as a top six finish.
The place is however a graveyard for football careers as a player and manager. If he were to take my advice it would don’t touch them with a barge pole.
If SD really wants to prove he can do it at a club other than Burnley then he might never get a better chance than Everton.

Yes they are in a complete mess, however they aren't cut adrift and have a squad who should higher than 19th, not much higher I have to say but certainly higher than where they currently sit in the table.

And this type of opportunity may not come around again in Dyche's career, so he won't want to look back in 20 years and ponder what if.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:35 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:53 pm
Strong rumour that Bielsa and Dyche both impressed the Everton Hierarchy with a stumbling Block that Bielsa wants to take over in the summer.

The Ginger one could get it yet.

Surprisingly, in a supposedly 2 horse race, you can still back both runners at Odds Against if you choose who you place the wager with. If it is Bielsa or Dyche you would still win money.
Some more twists and turns in this soap opera yet.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:50 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:40 pm
Perfect job for Dyche to rebuild his career, he would be mad not to go for it
99% of football jobs become available because the team is doing rubbish. Whatever job SD was to take, he'd be walking into a storm.
Everton have massive problems, most of them off the pitch. SD can organise, and sort the team out on the pitch, but will he get the time or freedom, to sort out the mess off it, unlikely. It wouldn't do his CV any harm if he could keep Everton up, but they choose to go with another in the summer. He'd get a lot of kudos, and it could be the stepping stone to getting further offers from the top.

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Re: Lampard gone

Post by Gaia » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:51 am

BREAKING: Marcelo Bielsa tells Everton he DOESN'T WANT their manager's job trib.al/4gE2jaX

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... nager.html

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