Koeman sacked

dibraidio · Post by **dibraidio** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:13 pm

summitclaret wrote:If Everton want Sean and he wants them, then there will be little we can do other than offer him the same wages and prey.

With a suggestion like that I can't help wondering if you know something disturbing about Sean.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:14 pm

Had a quick look on an Everton forum

Seems to be more about David Unsworth, Ancellotti or Thomas Tuchel (never heard of him)

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:17 pm

OK, Suggest we all read the D.Telegraph's Saturday feature on Sean Dyche again. Maybe it is time for Sean to move on - or maybe it is a situation that you look at and say "no, I can't do anything with that."

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:18 pm

brexit wrote:dyche out coleman in

Well he has done a good job at Accy

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:24 pm

The problem with Dyche going anywhere mid season is that I don’t think he’s a ‘hit the ground running’ type of manager. Dyche’s success at Burnley is built on his famed philosophy and framework along with fitness. That doesn’t happen over night (it didn’t with us) and I’m not sure a gradual build is what Everton need at the moment.

Claretto · Post by **Claretto** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:24 pm

SD clear favourite on SkyBet and close on Betfair Exchange.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:26 pm

Chris Wilder would be my number one choice if Dyche does go

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:26 pm

Sky TV saying Unsworth likely to take temporary charge, with support from Joe Royle.

rufus lumley · Post by **rufus lumley** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Sean has said it will not be forever when he goes we will hopefully get another manager who will keep us near or the same level but please don't let it be David Moyes.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Can not see Dyche being in the frame. Dyche has no experience in Europe nor with foreign players

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Thomas Tuchel is the guy who succeeded Klopp at Dortmund..?

I had a pleasant chat with an Everton fan on the way out of Goodison the other week, I said to him I could see Dyche ending up at Everton one day, I didn't mean in three weeks though !!

This job is perfect for someone of Sean's credentials, but equally, he's not achieved anything more than Ronald Koeman had in terms of managing in the Premier League. People are thinking Dyche because Everton have history of appointing Moyes - a young British manager who had a lot of potential - and it worked out well for them.

As others have pointed out, Everton are a different beast now; I'd still be more surprised if Everton came in for him than I would be if they didn't.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:28 pm

If he doesn’t come seriously close to being offered either the Leicester or Everton job (or, in theory, West Ham if that was to become vacant) then you would have to question if he would ever get another PL job.
How close has he come so far ? Not very close I’d suggest is the answer, with the possible exception of Sunderland a couple of years back ??

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:31 pm

SGr wrote:Chris Wilder would be my number one choice if Dyche does go

He would be mine too, but I don't think he'd be persuaded to come to Burnley when he's managing his boyhood team to a possible promotion to the Prem. He's done a great job and my Sheff Utd supporting friends are enraptured with the football and astute tactical acumen he has.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:31 pm

SGr wrote:Chris Wilder would be my number one choice if Dyche does go

Keep seeing this, and whilst he’s a viable name for any “wishlist”,there’s no chance he’d leave Sheffield Utd for Burnley.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:33 pm

Inchy wrote: If I was a manager in Dyche's position I would be wanting them to come in for me

oh God...now we're gonna lose Inchy!

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:34 pm

I just can't see Sean even being considered for Everton, not glamarious enough for them n not foreign. Utc

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:35 pm

SGr wrote:Chris Wilder would be my number one choice if Dyche does go

I said the same thing a few days ago, before Saxo had a random bipolar fit on me. And I have to disagree with the comments that he'd never leave Sheff U to come to Burnley. I think he'd be tempted. However, he comes with no Premier League experience, which could put us off approaching him.

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:42 pm

It would certainly be very interesting to see who we'd be linked with should Dyche leave.

I trust the club as Laws aside they haven't got many managerial decisions wrong in recent times. In my opinion Stan, Cotterill,Coyle,Howe and Dyche were all good appointments in their own right.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:49 pm

Dyche out, Warnock in.

Panic stations.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:57 pm

What is impressive about Dyche is that he learns all the time. He doesn't consider himself the finished article but is surely a much better manager now then he was when he came here.

He lacks European experience and also managing foreign players. I can't see how he can get the former from any club below Everton (last year's league table) but could learn about foreign players from other Premier League teams.

There's also the question of how patient Everton will be. Judging by this summers investment they will want quick results. If they will give the new man time then this could be a great opportunity for our Sean and his team of coaches.

Success at Everton could lead to the really big clubs.

I fear the worst!

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm

Claretto wrote:SD clear favourite on SkyBet and close on Betfair Exchange.

Favourite because of all the nervous Burnley fans putting money on.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:20 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Have I read that correctly?

You'd want Bilic here?

I wouldn't say no, he's out of place at West Ham. Everything about that club stinks at the moment.
He's shown he can create a team out of little, when the players are willing to work for him. West Ham is full of prima donnas, none bigger than Arnautovic.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:28 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:I wouldn't say no, he's out of place at West Ham. Everything about that club stinks at the moment.
He's shown he can create a team out of little, when the players are willing to work for him. West Ham is full of prima donnas, none bigger than Arnautovic.

Wasn't it Bilic who signed the likes of Arnautovic?

He's also a cheating, whinging, classless man. So no, in the unlikely event of Dyche leaving in the next week or two, then I wouldn't go near.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:31 pm

I could see Dyche being tempted by Everton but not sure they will go for him or if it would be the best appointment for them. As said above not a hit the ground running type of manager, no experience in Europe, no experience managing big budgets and no experience managing foreign prima donnas although good with troublesome characters.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:33 pm

Don't agree with this notion that Dyche can't hit the ground running. Sample size of 1 and he's a different manager to what he was five years ago.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:35 pm

I'll echo what others have said just can't see Everton wanting him to be honest.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:36 pm

On the BBC just now..[15.35pm..].'Sean Dyche is emerging as the bookies favourite..

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:37 pm

I'm having lambs chops with a red wine sauce for my tea.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:38 pm

Can't see why they wouldn't be interested in him. I hope we have a replacement lined up!

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:41 pm

summitclaret wrote:If Everton want Sean and he wants them, then there will be little we can do other than offer him the same wages and prey.

Offer him £100,000 and 2 young antelope a week. Then just hope Everton aren't offering 3.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:42 pm

Favourite on Oddschecker ahead of Unsworth and Moyes.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:47 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Kenwright doesn't make the decisions

Why wouldn't whoever is the decision maker want Dyche?

Do you not rate him or summat?

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:47 pm

I too would be surprised if Everton came in for SD. Given their ambitions, SD,s scouting network isn't sufficient for the level they are looking to operate at. He's doing a great job with us on limited resources, but as a result, hasn't yet been able to demonstrate the depth of tactical knowledge Everton should be after.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:52 pm

If he goes, the Board will not be taking an opinion poll from the fans regarding his replacement. I trust SD to do the right thing and if that means moving on to Everton it is the right move for him. I trust the Board to get his replacement right as well.

So, just in case you are looking MG, JB & Co let's have Neil Warnock or Sam Allardyce. I don't particularly like either of them too much but it will spice this board up a treat!

Edit
Regarding Bookies Odds, wasn't he 'nailed on' for Crystal Palace, Southampton and anyone else in the news this year? Those in the know have already explained how these 'Next Manager' odds really have no bearing whatsoever.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Dyche currently fave to be next manager.

I'm tempted to lump some money on as a hedge bet.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:00 pm

I know the guy in charge has plenty of money but the koeman experiment just cost him 15 million quid +. We would be due compensation for Dyche, Moyes is free and knows the club. I'd be amazed if they decide to go British that they don't go for Moyes, way more experience than Dyche

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:We would be due compensation for Dyche

£2.5 million I'm led to believe.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:06 pm

Allardyce would be my choice and he has the experience, however if they approached SD and gave assurances he had time, then why wouldn't he go.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:07 pm

the only other thing about Moyes is he could well be getting the Scotland job. Oh well, is what it is

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Kenwright doesn't make the decisions

The chairman doesn't make the decisions?

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm

That oddschecker table is concerning. SD clear favourite to be next permanent manager with all the bookies. Quite a bit of variation in the next bunch of "runners" Unsworth, Allardyce, Ancelotti & Moyes. BFS varies 4/1 to 14/1, Moyes 16/1 to 3/1.
I'm hoping these numbers change over the next 48 hours as positions become clearer and (fingers crossed) a different favourite emerges.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The chairman doesn't make the decisions?

Not when he only owns 12% of the company, no.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:13 pm

Surprised Howe isn't higher up in the betting odds. Always perceived in media & other clubs fans a as excellent young manager, who plays good football and destined for big things.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:14 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Dyche currently fave to be next manager.

I'm tempted to lump some money on as a hedge bet.

He's also favourite for Leicester job too (Betfair) if you want some of that?

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:15 pm

everton would be the next logical step for dyche for a number of reasons.

he's not going to get a top 4 club and they are the next best thing. huge club, lots of money, new ground on the way (unfortunately), cracking youth system, in europe (although that's a hindrance right now) and they generally give their managers time to do the job; albeit that's perhaps getting less the case with the new owner in.

i think he'd be a great fit for them - not sure they will think that though.

if he does get the opportunity it will be a big decision for him. he's virtually guaranteed a job for life here, whereas moving means joining the managerial merry go round; the higher you go, the more pressure there is to succeed quickly and there's less control.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:15 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Not when he only owns 12% of the company, no.

The board of directors make the decisions, and the chairman will have the final say.

The majority shareholder isn't even on the board of directors.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:16 pm

I'd be just as concerned if I were a Watford fan to be fair

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:19 pm

simonclaret wrote:He's also favourite for Leicester job too (Betfair) if you want some of that?

I think Everton would be more attractive to him. And you also should take into account what Dyche has stated regarding being linked to Leicester. That to me, makes it less likely for him to go there. Everton for several reasons is the more likely.

But... the odds aren't that great at the moment. I want better than 2/1. 5/1 would be worth a dabble.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:20 pm

Tall Paul wrote:The board of directors make the decisions, and the chairman will have the final say.

The majority shareholder isn't even on the board of directors.

Is that like the board of directors at Chelsea make the decisions, and the chairman has the final say?

Bruce Buck has more of a say than Roman Abramovich?

Abramovich isn't on the board either.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:21 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think Everton would be more attractive to him. And you also should take into account what Dyche has stated regarding being linked to Leicester. That to me, makes it less likely for him to go there. Everton for several reasons is the more likely.

But... the odds aren't that great at the moment. I want better than 2/1. 5/1 would be worth a dabble.

He was 8/1 earlier, so someone's but 10 bob on him.